Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2018] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[TheEnhancedExe]

You said it yourself, they brought up Azami probably because of bad rankings and dropping sales. Azami being involved was most likely planned however it was probably moved up, by both bad rankings and the editor change. It could also be a change of pace but that's to be seen. Its what Soma does after this match that I'm looking forward to, the consequences of this 2.5 year saga.

Final villains being planned in advance isn't evidence of having a pre-planned story. Its again just evidence of having an outline. Oda introduced the supernovas halfway through the story after a conversation with the editor that Luffy should probably have something akin to a rival(s). Oda came up with them in around 4-5 hours and now Law is an integral part of the story. I don't think Law existed as a character in Oda's mind back during post-Alabasta when Doflamingo was first introduced. This is Oda writing on the go. Oda pre-planning is having the SWs split up on Sabaody, which was supposedly planned back during or post-Enies Lobby. Oda is able to write everything is such a way so that it seems seamless. The stories that seem "spontaneous" are mangaka being much more "clumsy" at executing it seamlessly.

But wasn't it that Oda initially wanted to add the Supernova after the timeskip? He most definitely came up with them during the run of the manga, same as with the Shichibukai. Originally the Yonkou were supposed to be the only major antagonists apart from the marine which is quite surprising considering how late some of them were added into the story.

But Oda planning Sabaody during Enies Lobby means that he still planned it more than a year in advance. Or maybe Sabaody was already partly planned and he edited what he initially had to add the supernova. Or did he write that in an SBS? Haven't read them all, tbh.

But I guess you're right, the mangaka who write stuff "spontaneous" could just be clumsy at executing it, never really thought about it that way, but makes totally sense. I mean not every mangaka can be as good at story writing as Oda, but there certainly are contenders who have similar skills imo.

 

[ScotchAianB]

Late, Haikyuu!! on The Cover of WSJ #19, Next Week !

 

[Mankichi Togawa]

What would you say is the most important spokon out these 4? Haikyuu, Kuroko no Basket, Eyeshield 21, or The Prince of Tennis?

 

[Luca11]

Late, Haikyuu!! on The Cover of WSJ #19, Next Week !

I love Haikyu!! but that's a lot of cover and colour pages it has received lately.

What would you say is the most important spokon out these 4? Haikyuu, Kuroko no Basket, Eyeshield 21, or The Prince of Tennis?

Why just these 4? Prince of Tennis has length and sales going for it, Kuroko paves the way for Haikyu and I have no clue what Eyeshileld 21 is about.

 

[Scruffy8642]

What would you say is the most important spokon out these 4? Haikyuu, Kuroko no Basket, Eyeshield 21, or The Prince of Tennis?

Slam Dunk.

 

[Mankichi Togawa]

I mean, I picked these 4 spokon for see what's opinion about most important spokon of this century.

I have the sensation Haikyuu is being more important than Kuroko no Basket, Eyeshield21 or Prince of Tennis. May be wrong.

 

[Scruffy8642]

Eyeshield is nowhere near as popular as people think. It only sold 20 mil in 37 volumes, almost half what Kuroko did on a per-volume basis. If you're just looking sales wise, PoT>HQ>KnB>ES21, though technically you could say ES did more for American Football in Japan than Kuroko did for Basketball (Slam Dunk stole that honor). I honestly don't think HQ will ever be as important as PoT because it's a monster popularity-wise, but it might beat it sales wise if it's significantly longer, though HQ itself is looking to end around 40 volumes too considering recent events. Not to mention it's on a downhill trend and will probably only keep dropping from here on out.

You could also argue Rookies is in there, with higher sales per-volume than the other four by far (in fact one of the highest in sports all round), and arguably the most popular baseball series of the 2000s along with Major. All that and the series was cancelled somehow, though I'm not sure how much of that popularity was attributed to the live action 5 years after it ended.

 

[SharkBait]

A downward trend is unverified as we do not know if lowered numbers is not due to buyers transitioning to digital purchasing.

 

[cody]

Eyeshield is nowhere near as popular as people think. It only sold 20 mil in 37 volumes, almost half what Kuroko did on a per-volume basis. If you're just looking sales wise, PoT>HQ>KnB>ES21, though technically you could say ES did more for American Football in Japan than Kuroko did for Basketball (Slam Dunk stole that honor). I honestly don't think HQ will ever be as important as PoT because it's a monster popularity-wise, but it might beat it sales wise if it's significantly longer, though HQ itself is looking to end around 40 volumes too considering recent events. Not to mention it's on a downhill trend and will probably only keep dropping from here on out.

You could also argue Rookies is in there, with higher sales per-volume than the other four by far (in fact one of the highest in sports all round), and arguably the most popular baseball series of the 2000s along with Major. All that and the series was cancelled somehow, though I'm not sure how much of that popularity was attributed to the live action 5 years after it ended.

Maybe Rookies wasn't cancelled, but the author wanted to finish it since he achieved what he wanted with the story and he did have another long running weekly serialization in WSJ before that. He probably did the main thing he wanted with story and then finished things off and stopped doing weekly manga.

 

[Scruffy8642]

Maybe Rookies wasn't cancelled, but the author wanted to finish it since he achieved what he wanted with the story and he did have another long running weekly serialization in WSJ before that. He probably did the main thing he wanted with story and then finished things off and stopped doing weekly manga.

Have you read it? It was 100% cut short for whatever reason, with the players not even getting close to their goal. An extremely long match that just randomly had large portions cut and the series ended, an extremely jarring ending, even as far as Jump manga goes. Hell, the series was set up to go for a couple hundred more chapters at least. Maybe it was down to health issues though, as the series had quite a few absences in its run, and went on hiatus 3 chapters before it ended. Weird he started another manga in Jump just 2 years later though, but it eventually got moved to Young Jump because it was absent 40% of the time, where he took even longer hiatuses and another 10 years to complete 19 volumes.

 

[cody]

Have you read it? It was 100% cut short for whatever reason, with the players not even getting close to their goal. An extremely long match that just randomly had large portions cut and the series ended, an extremely jarring ending, even as far as Jump manga goes. Hell, the series was set up to go for a couple hundred more chapters at least. Maybe it was down to health issues though, as the series had quite a few absences in its run, and went on hiatus 3 chapters before it ended. Weird he started another manga in Jump just 2 years later though, but it eventually got moved to Young Jump because it was absent 40% of the time, where he took even longer hiatuses and another 10 years to complete 19 volumes.

No, but I happened to unintentionally read some discussions about its ending and some people were saying that the manga stopped because the characters were on the right track. But the health issues do seem to be a good reason as to why it might have finished.

 

[razerxs]

Oricon Ranking Mar 19 - Mar 25
92499 2080350 One Piece
22143 *274065 Dragon Ball Super
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18613 *244635 Black Clover
14588 *178658 Gintama
12123 *540754 MHA
11667 *939928 Hunter X Hunter

 

[cody]

Oricon Ranking Mar 19 - Mar 25
92499 2080350 One Piece
22143 *274065 Dragon Ball Super
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18613 *244635 Black Clover
14588 *178658 Gintama
12123 *540754 MHA
11667 *939928 Hunter X Hunter

So, how's that Black Clover boost going after two cours of animation? Hunter x Hunter seems to be having more trouble reaching 1 million sales for the latest volume, but I assume it will manage to reach those numbers.

 

[Franz]

I would say that this month has done well in sales, certainly could not hope to compete with One Piece and in any case he saw a little less than Super ......

The next volume comes out in May, and there should not be any competitors among the Jump ....

 

[Luca11]

I mean, I picked these 4 spokon for see what's opinion about most important spokon of this century.

I have the sensation Haikyuu is being more important than Kuroko no Basket, Eyeshield21 or Prince of Tennis. May be wrong.

If you count Prince of Tennis and Rookies, then I'd say Hikaru no Go is no less important. It has sold on par with Kuroko and maybe even PoT, and won one of the Tezuka Osamu Prize. It also did to Go what Slam Dunk did to basketball in Japan.

 

[DyanSon]

Oricon Ranking Mar 19 - Mar 25
92499 2080350 One Piece
22143 *274065 Dragon Ball Super
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18613 *244635 Black Clover
14588 *178658 Gintama
12123 *540754 MHA
11667 *939928 Hunter X Hunter

Black Clover still can't beat MHA pre-anime sales ha? Guess only TPN can do it.

 

[Franz]

You know, to debut in the same month of the best-selling manga of all time .....

--- Double Post Merged, Mar 28, 2018, Original Post Date: Mar 28, 2018 ---

Rather it is not strange that the cover of volume 18 of My Hero has not yet come out?

 

[SharkBait]

Black Clover still can't beat MHA pre-anime sales ha? Guess only TPN can do it.

60% of BLack clover sales are digital.

 

[iceemperor]

What would you say is the most important spokon out these 4? Haikyuu, Kuroko no Basket, Eyeshield 21, or The Prince of Tennis?

Slam Dunk precedes all of them and made sports series an even bigger thing but PoT helped pave the way for the other three series in that it was a start of "Bishounen Jump". Unfortunately now everyone immediately equates good looking characters in a Sports series to being fujobait which is ridiculous and sad as it completely takes away from the series' story. You can have an good, entertaining story with good characters who happen to be good looking due to art-style. Kuroko, Haikyuu and PoT didn't/don't sell that much just because the designs are good, its because the story is also great. There are plenty of series with "fujobait" character designs like Days, All Out, etc that sell nowhere near these series.

Haikyuu might beat PoT in sales only if it goes on for another 20 volumes. At volume 32, PoT was at 32 million and at the end at Volume 42 it was at 40 million, eventually getting to 43 mil in a couple years after it ended. But those series are in different veins. Haikyuu is in line with Slam Dunk wheras Kuroko is in line with PoT. I haven't read Eyeshield to make any call. You can say Kuroko can be that bizarre with Basketball because PoT ended up that ridiculous with tennis.

You know, to debut in the same month of the best-selling manga of all time .....

I'm not sure what you're implying with this. There will always be series releasing volumes in the same month as OP, HxH, AoT, etc. Its not like that will suddenly affect another series sales as you can buy both, or all of them. This week, the threshold was significantly high where even 18k didn't make the top 50. Its one of the highest its been so far this year. Looking at previous volumes, the actual amount is in line with previous volumes. Whether its boost is big or not I'll leave it to the half yearly sales chart in May.

 

[101nemesis]

A downward trend is unverified as we do not know if lowered numbers is not due to buyers transitioning to digital purchasing.

This same logic can be used for any series experiencing a downward trend then?

60% of BLack clover sales are digital.

Unless you've got something to back that up, it's nothing but random numbers.