Discussion Zeldris, Meliodas and Estarossa

[kkck]

So.... what exactly would happen to zeldris if he ever gave his back to an enemy? Supposedly if a commandment "sins" so to speak then he incurs his own curse. However in zeldris' case it makes him a slave to the demon king. So... it doesn't seem incurring the curse would make a difference to zeldris.

It's really hard to say regarding mel's curse. We don't even know how they are triggered and what happens if they are triggered. Without that information it is kinda impossible to rule out either one. We have repose and patience but meliodas as we saw him against escanor does not seem particularly patient or willing to.. repose I guess.

 

[Isaiah Thomas]

Let me put it here as well since it’s more on topic in this thread

One thing that I thought was a bit weird was that the fanbook doesn’t explicitly call Meliodas, Zeldris and Estarossa brothers. It says stuff like “Zeldris looks a lot like Meliodas and there was an instance when Meliodas saiud something that led to believe they’re brothers. The truth is unknown” and “Zeldris called Estarossa his big brother which suggests that the three of them are siblings” but both of these are SUPER vague even though it’s been mentioned in the manga it’s still not treated as a fact that they are brothers whole other things that were recently stated in the manga are indeed treated as facts.
So the mystery about these “brothers” is still not solved…
Could it be that Nakaba has been trolling us this whole time? Could it be possible that they AREN'T really brothers? Then wtf are they? Just some rando children that the Demon King adopted?

Crazy theory Alert: Meliodas has no brothers. Meliodas is the only son of the DK. Seeing how Meliodas was a genius the DK split Meliodas in half and we get Estarossa. When Estarossa isn’t like the genius Meliodas the DK clone Meliodas and we get Zeldris.

 

[kkck]

Ok, here is a crackpot theory: We learned that as a child estarosa could not even use POD. Which I have repeatedly said is incredibly weird because even low level demons can consistently use POD. So... What if estarosa wasn't a demon to begin with? And the demon king "adopted" estarosa and gave him a commandment so that he'd pass for a demon? Maybe he was a goddess, had his wings torn out and to nullify his darkness was given a commandment. And of course, due to his insanity he forgot over time about his true origin.

 

[Isaiah Thomas]

Ok, here is a crackpot theory: We learned that as a child estarosa could not even use POD. Which I have repeatedly said is incredibly weird because even low level demons can consistently use POD. So... What if estarosa wasn't a demon to begin with? And the demon king "adopted" estarosa and gave him a commandment so that he'd pass for a demon? Maybe he was a goddess, had his wings torn out and to nullify his darkness was given a commandment. And of course, due to his insanity he forgot over time about his true origin.

The only problem with that is why do Estarossa look like Meliodas.

 

[kkck]

The only problem with that is why do Estarossa look like Meliodas.

TBH I think nakaba is just screwing with us there. Just look at the more recent chapter where nakaba is asked about meliodas' wanted poster and he says that that is just how the one who drew the poster imagined meliodas would look like nowadays. That... doesn't make any sense. We even had a chapter showing elizabeth meeting estarosa and remembering the poster. In which case we are talking about some guy basically drawing grown up meliodas fan fiction AND getting it right enough to coincidentally look like estarosa. To add to that, the poster thing would have been a serious misdirection on nakaba's part when it comes to elizabeth's dream meetings with estarosa. The poster is an irrelevant huge coincidence, this would have been about estarosa's past at the goddess clan and elizabeth simply not recognizing him all grown and fucked up after so many years.

 

[Tragicdeath]

This is another what if troll theory. Estarossa have been meeting up with Ely from time to time when he was still about to control the lurking darkness within him starting to engulf his body. Estarossa never mentioned his name while meeting Ely and they begun to have mutual understanding. Estarossa was about to meet Ely to tell his feelings towards her but it didnt happen because darkness finally engulfed and corrupted every senses he has that made him insane. Years have passed by Estarossa never showed to Ely and shes keep on waiting for the mysterious guy that never really told his name. One day, Estarossa was dreaming about her of meeting Ely confessing her and might accidentally mentioned her name to Meliodas while in the state of dreaming. Mel was so furious to meet Ely of meeting his brother in secret. Mel went to Ely to slay her but on his surprise Ely hugged him knowing that he is the same guy she was meeting. Ely might have fallen for Estarossa for missing him so much. She said to Me its been a whileI havent seen you I really thought youd never showed up and made me worry. Mel postponed slaying Elizabeth to know more details of what they have been discussing behind their back so Mel pretended to be Estarossa to get more information thinking that Estarossa and Ely might be planning to take down the demon clan with the Goddess's. In due time Mel have fallen in love with Elizabeth and he just keep it in his own not to reveal who he really is and the guy she have been meeting is not him but his brother Estarossa who lost everything and have gotten insane. Moving forward Elizabeth of Lioness, Ely's 107th reincarnation, dreamt of Estarossa and have said who are you. Then when Estarossa was about to kill Meliodas for the 7th sword rebellion, Mel was about to confess to Estarossa the lie he had been keeping. Estarossa brought back the memory of his meetup with Elizabeth. Then Elizabeth finally met Estarossa and said I think Ive known you same as Estarossa because the connection of their feelings met and seeing Mel's reaction was like I cannot tell now or it would be complicated knowing Estarossa doesnt have complete control of his emotion. Then he told Zeldris I know why you want to become the demon king to free our brother Estarossa's darkness to make him sane again. That is why Zel tried to takeout Estarossa's commandment without any hesitation not even acknowledging him but couldnt because its the wielders discretion to give it or not so Zeldris agreed on Meliodas request to be the demon king to free Estarossa. But warned his brother Estarossa Im very serious brother dont absorb the decree. I mean this theory might link to why Ely and Estarossa have the connection but doesnt have a clue why because of the afformentioned.

 

[Gut's is the man]

We have all been wondering for a while. Why does Estarossa, the middle sibling, Look so munch older then either of his brothers; who are centuries apart yet look the same age? Well it occurred to me how. Which comes down to demon biology and maturity

High class Demon's don't physically develop with age. (since those physical forms we see aren't their actually forms) but develop with their power and potential. The physical appearance we see is confirmed to be their power as having been constrained by those forms. The more a high class demon develops and master's their power. The closer their get to looking physically older. See the reason Zeldris and Meliodas look so young isn't some curse. But because in spite of age. They have not mastered or brought out all of their innate power and potential.

Since Estarossa commandment gave or brought out his inner power. He has all the power he's capable of available to him sooner. So by mastering his power first he physically matured first. If Zeldris or Meliodas reached their peaks they would also look like Estarossa.

this also means that in spite of reaching his peak. Estarossa is still weaker then his brothers.... (he really is the runt middle child huh.)

 

[Nudenun]

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this also means that in spite of reaching his peak. Estarossa is still weaker then his brothers.... (he really is the runt middle child huh.)

Estarossa was born power less between his prodigious and genius brothers and was givin commandment which awakened his power of darkness within him, not bought out his full potential. Compared to meliodas and zeldris who are legit balanced with both magic and strenght, Estarossas power lies more towards physical power including magic (its only 3k ) as well and i dont believe thats his max potential he can still become strong imo.

See the reason Zeldris and Meliodas look so young isn't some curse. But because in spite of age. They have not mastered or brought out all of their innate power and potential

Zeldris is the youngest and he does LEGIT look youngest of all 3 and he has so much room to grow. Since estarossa looks physically older only logical explanation could be that he trained himself physically. Since he looked up to Meliodas thrashing everything in his way so to be like his older bro he probably did pushups situps and drink plenty of juice and got buffed physically.

 

[Gut's is the man]

Estarossa was born power less between his prodigious and genius brothers and was givin commandment which awakened his power of darkness within him, not bought out his full potential. Compared to meliodas and zeldris who are legit balanced with both magic and strenght, Estarossas power lies more towards physical power including magic (its only 3k ) as well and i dont believe thats his max potential he can still become strong imo.



Zeldris is the youngest and he does LEGIT look youngest of all 3 and he has so much room to grow. Since estarossa looks physically older only logical explanation could be that he trained himself physically. Since he looked up to Meliodas thrashing everything in his way so to be like his older bro he probably did pushups situps and drink plenty of juice and got buffed physically.

Zeldris would be 25 in demon years. Also Mel lookd munch younger even before he was cursed despite being older then Estarossa.

 

[Ibafarshan]

That's a cool idea, imho.
Since it has been brought up, in the page where it was shown the the Ten Commandments when Mel was their leader (with Esta, Deriere and the others looking so young, well expcet for Gowther), is it just me, or Mel looks older and way taller? I might be wrong and the fact that the other demons are basically children may highlight his actual height, duh, I need to search for that page.
Anyway, for Estarossa looking that way could it be for his father's doing?Like, DK gave him the Commandment to make him stronger, but still he looke physically fraile so either Esta trained really hard or was given a massive power up to compensate.

 

[LaserBeam]

Estarossa was born power less between his prodigious and genius brothers and was givin commandment which awakened his power of darkness within him, not bought out his full potential. Compared to meliodas and zeldris who are legit balanced with both magic and strenght, Estarossas power lies more towards physical power including magic (its only 3k ) as well and i dont believe thats his max potential he can still become strong imo.



Zeldris is the youngest and he does LEGIT look youngest of all 3 and he has so much room to grow. Since estarossa looks physically older only logical explanation could be that he trained himself physically. Since he looked up to Meliodas thrashing everything in his way so to be like his older bro he probably did pushups situps and drink plenty of juice and got buffed physically.

I will disagree with the use awake of something that as it translation states it was born without the power of darkness.

There is no way something gets awaken when you have completely lack off it.

It would had made way more sense if there was another more fitting word like gained the power of darkness like this instead of the word awaken.

I think estarossa case have similarities to how hendi turned from a human to a demon by taking demon blood estarossa was probably like a normal human in the eyes of the demons maybe the guy even got bullied like how guldan was bullied in world of warcraft.

 

[Tragicdeath]

I hate to say this but I have to disagree with this theory. Here is why, Chandler and Cussack arent far from power level and look at the both of them Chandler looks way older than Cussack, to know for a fact these 2 are high rank demons. Also Chandler seems to have a slight advantage over Cussack therefore Cussack suppose to look older than Chandler if we were to base in your theory. The way I see it I think Estarossa grew maturely because his body needs to adapt the changes that hes suppose not to have such as awakened the darkness that his body supposedly built with hidden darkness. Its like when you do something to your body that it suppose to stop at a certain point but due to the triggering effect it even grew more than it suppose than it should. Like growth hormones are suppose to stop in a certain age. Since a guy doesnt grow tall an artificial approach stimulated the pituitary gland causing it to release hormone that suppose to be supressed. Now it never stop releasing growth hormone to your body creating gigantism.

 

[Gut's is the man]

I hate to say this but I have to disagree with this theory. Here is why, Chandler and Cussack arent far from power level and look at the both of them Chandler looks way older than Cussack, to know for a fact these 2 are high rank demons. Also Chandler seems to have a slight advantage over Cussack therefore Cussack suppose to look older than Chandler if we were to base in your theory. The way I see it I think Estarossa grew maturely because his body needs to adapt the changes that hes suppose not to have such as awakened the darkness that his body supposedly built with hidden darkness. Its like when you do something to your body that it suppose to stop at a certain point but due to the triggering effect it even grew more than it suppose than it should. Like growth hormones are suppose to stop in a certain age. Since a guy doesnt grow tall an artificial approach stimulated the pituitary gland causing it to release hormone that suppose to be supressed. Now it never stop releasing growth hormone to your body creating gigantism.

Chandler actually only looks older then Cusack because of his beard and mannerism. When colored Chandler actually doesn't look that old. Also that logic of if chandler is stronger then cusack then cusack should look older, would if anything based on my theory. Be the other way around.

 

[Tragicdeath]

Chandler actually only looks older then Cusack because of his beard and mannerism. When colored Chandler actually doesn't look that old. Also that logic of if chandler is stronger then cusack then cusack should look older, would if anything based on my theory. Be the other way around.

Ok fair enough. But I think Estarossa maturity doesnt mean hes weaker because we all know despite he was born without weakness he was still able to awaken it because his Dad gave him the decree and eventually activated his inner darkness. This is just my theory basing on what we've seen in the 262 spoilers. No doubt Estarossa's darkness is beyond than we could have imagined. As we look back when Mel used his darkness on the 2 brothers Zel with dk power probably darkness as well couldnt even hold it off while Estarossa fought it well just standing in his knees. Yes we could argue that he has 53k strength but I doubt thats the only reason because I think Estarossa through time he awakened all of his darkness that is why the amount of darkness Mel pulled off Estarossa having more darkness than zeldris with dks power showed that Estarossa's darkness is far superior than Zeldris. Moving forward, no wonder he outlasted Elizabeths ark with darkness so as Tar and Sar's body being consumed by Estarossa's darkness. In other words Estarossa's darkness grew up in a great extent in due time. Therefore his body whos suppose to built as a young boy needs to adjust and mature because his body was naturally made suppressing the darkness inside of him but since it was activated unnaturally his body needs to adjust from time to time from the darkness growing stronger and stronger. Its like a fish putting in a polluted area if they withstand it their physical feature adapats the environment and their body will not be the same as when the fish in a clean water, adaptation theory from charles darwin

 

[MrSchmitty7]

Probably just demon physiology taking place. Estarossa couldve also been an early bloomer.

 

[Gut's is the man]

Probably just demon physiology taking place. Estarossa couldve also been an early bloomer.

the gap between Zel and Mel is too wide. (Estarossa is nearly middle age by demon standards.)

 

[MrSchmitty7]

the gap between Zel and Mel is too wide. (Estarossa is nearly middle age by demon standards.)

Maybe Mel was cryogenically frozen like captain America?

 

[Gut's is the man]

Maybe Mel was cryogenically frozen like captain America?

hahahha, that was sorta funny.

 

[The Prince of Darkness]

I don't want to step in in your debate but I don't think that Meliodas is the only one who can become Demon King.
He's the "most worthy" to become the DEMON KING, yes, but not the only one.
His father see him as his worth succesor and his Clan see him as the Next Demon King because :
- He's the 1st Son
- His strenght and reknown are know to be legendary (Merlin' words)
- His desregard for life (like Daddy)
- He was so terrifying that even his own brethren fear him (like Daddy)
- He was a "True Legend" among his Clan

Zeldoris is the youngest son, it's normal that he isn't at Meliodas level but if he keep training he could reach Meliodas level in some hundreds years for sure !

 

[sobreno]

I don't want to step in in your debate but I don't think that Meliodas is the only one who can become Demon King.
He's the "most worthy" to become the DEMON KING, yes, but not the only one.
His father see him as his worth succesor and his Clan see him as the Next Demon King because :
- He's the 1st Son
- His strenght and reknown are know to be legendary (Merlin' words)
- His desregard for life (like Daddy)
- He was so terrifying that even his own brethren fear him (like Daddy)
- He was a "True Legend" among his Clan

Zeldoris is the youngest son, it's normal that he isn't at Meliodas level but if he keep training he could reach Meliodas level in some hundreds years for sure !

The DK doesn't agree with that, even when Zeldoris clearly opposed his Father, he gets silenced in that hard way. Despite his loyalty up until now and the betrayal of the other one lmao.
The DK didn't say: " train to replace your older brother "
He said: " shut up and submit to him already "
You are only stating your wishes here. Until the DK sees Zeldoris as a next DK too, he isn't one.