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But it wasn't defining though. Mel basically ignored her and she just got a bit upset. It's really no different than her talking to Mel while he's asleep. Plus just because people don't find it funny doesn't mean that it doesn't have comedic effect. No one used to laugh at Hawk whenever he tied Meliodas up, in fact even some people found him to be annoying. Just because it doesn't illicit laughs doesn't mean it's a serious feat, otherwise Hawk has the strength to tie up Mel.But the entire point of a comedy scene is to make the audience laugh lol
No one laughed at how Meliodas was knocked to the ground by Elizabeth. It was amusing, but the intention wasn't to make people laugh lol
And why would Nakaba introduce a comedy effect in one of the most defining character moments for Meliodas and Elizabeth? Talk about being stupid, especially when it didn't work or make anybody laugh.
Exactly, he didn't go after her because the entire encounter wasn't serious. And Elizabeth cannot outspeed Assault Mel. In order for something to be "defining as a relationship" there has to be a relationship in the first place. Mel flat out said he doesn't care for her like that, he's only helping her to keep his promise. If anything Elizabeth and Mel are extremely toxic right now. There's an entire war started because "Mel won't listen" and Elizabeth "Only cares about her own feelings"Meliodas had every intention and potential to go straight after Elizabeth once she made her great escape, but he didn't, all he did was scream at the window and then let her be. So it's pretty clear once she put up a resistance, he just had the attitude of ''well idc what u do im still becoming DK''.
She has wings to fly, pretty sure she could escape Meliodas.
I'm talking about human forms. His ark could or couldn't be stronger, we simply don't know because he's only used it once.Ludoshel's ark is stronger than who's? Sariel and Tarmiel's? If so it is because in their strongest forms, his ark was much more effective against the ten commandments if you compare it to the other 2AA.
Plus his wings are larger than theirs, so he's definitely stronger than them.
3,000 years of obedience? One of the first things she did in the past was ignore Mel's advice and tried to stop the Inudra by herself. Plus several incarnations of Elizabeth have hit him in the past. So he should know that she doesn't mess around. She has all her memories, which means knight and barbarian Liz are in there.He's surprised she did it because it isn't in her personality to do what she did lol
Would you expect your girlfriend to hit you after 3000 years of obedience, several comments on loving you and always being by your side if you were in his position. He said ''hit me if you want'' because he never expected her to actually go through with it, and that's why he was shock, not because of some comedy effect lol.
Elizabeth can fly, so the ''well Nakaba needed to help her escape'' means nothing. She escaped on her own accord and ability, not because the author helped her.
It's not so much durability as it is for someone to do damage. Escanor can do damage to Mel, the other cannot.Plus if ''durability is not the problem'' then why not have all the sins + elizabeth vs Meliodas then? What was the point of encasing Meliodas in a cube if he was going easy as you say?
Reality: Nothing in the manga supports this interpretation, it's based completely off your own opinion, which is fine but when you're trying to discredit something that objectively happens in the manga, it doesn't do much. If you had an opinion and backed it up with manga events, I'd be more inclined to listen to you, but at the end of the day, nothing in the manga suggests that purification > offensive ark is truly the case.
Magic that attacks the spirit or other elements like that do have easier times doing that. Elizabeth was able to repress Mel's regression for as long as she held onto him with her magic. Yet when used offensively she couldn't even put more than a scratch into him.Nothing in the manga supports this interpretation, it's based completely off your own opinion, which is fine but when you're trying to discredit something that objectively happens in the manga, it doesn't do much. If you had an opinion and backed it up with manga events, I'd be more inclined to listen to you, but at the end of the day, nothing in the manga suggests that purification > offensive ark is truly the case.
Because the slap makes no sense. Again, Zel and Estarossa have tanked attacks that surpass Zel's DK power with virtually no damage. Now we have Mel who is leagues above them getting decked by a basic slap. By that logic the slap must be close to DK magic potential if I'm to believe that the slap feat wasn't for comedic effect. So tell me, does Elizabeth have DK magic potential even after pre Mel said that neither he nor her had this potential with their magic?Me: Elizabeth slapping Meliodas shows her ark is strong and that she is able to hurt him because she has the ability to
You: lol comedy effect lol
Reality: This is once again an opinion, and it doesn't refute what Elizabeth was able to achieve. If you 100% can prove to me that the moment was intended for comedy effect, please do it.Also, while we're at it, let's discount this feat even though the context is exactly the same as Zeldris vs Ludoshel, but we accept that feat because the character is an AA:
Reality: Elizabeth in a weak human body being crushed the wind out of her was still able to conjure a basic ark strong enough to physically move and hurt him.
Let's be real, Guila probably could've knocked Estarossa down if she saw him like that. It's not something that takes Elizabeth tier to do when Estarossa doesn't have full control of his sanity and his body is swelling like twiggo.Reality: Elizabeth in a weak human body being crushed the wind out of her was still able to conjure a basic ark strong enough to physically move and hurt him.
I've already counted the Derieri feat as a good feat though. I even said it was one of her good onesMe: Elizabeth was able to hurt Derriere in her weakest state, proving that her ark is truly powerful
You: Well it wasn't really a fight, since you know, PL's rise in a fight
Reality: If you consider Estarossa vs Elizabeth a fight then I don't see how this isn't a ''fight'', they both ended up exchanging blows with each other, and Derriere was in a battle mood lol
I can understand that there would be differences because no one knows her exact power level, but the gaps are just way too high.Well obviously without confirmation of Elizabeth's PL, everyone is going to have a different opinion of her, it's only natural. But to me it often feels like the Anti-Elizabeth defend squad grasps the straws a lot more often than the Pro-Elizabeth squad. I mean, you're entire defense for the Meliodas slap moment is ''lol comedy bro''. Half the time Sobreno gives me ''lol she's a female and a princess she can't fight stfu'' so yeah forgive me if I say you grasp at straws, because from my point of view it does when the Anti-Elizabeth squad engages my views.
For Goddess Elizabeth people have said the following: Shes 100K base, Shes AM level in her prime (42K+ difference) Shes Mael level (Even higher)
For human Elizabeth we have around 50K, Weaker than Merlin, trash.
If the differences in numbers were maybe 10-20K off I could forgive it, but so far we're dealing with numbers that exceed 40K on a good day
At the end of the day no one (including sobreno) wants to discredit Elizabeth. In fact we'd like to see her have more feats so that we can put this to rest, we just don't want to use feats that are too questionable
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