Discussion Elizabeth

[OtakuFreak]

Oh yeah youre right those wings. Its so gigantic no way shes just an average jane those wings are huge. Do you honestly believe the bigger their wings are the stronger they are? Could you please explain the logic behind those wings, Im curious how in the world you guys came up with that idea.

Nakaba confirmed that Goddess wings are an expression or indicator of an individual's power.

Basically: the number, length, size, width and height of the wings are taken into account.

If you look solely at the wings of the clan:

Supreme Goddess > Mael > Elizabeth OR Ludoshel (pretty hard to tell) > Sariel > Tarmiel > Nerobasta/Jelamet > fodder

Because of her wings, Elizabeth isn't just a ''average jane'' or a low-tier Goddess, she should be on par with the Four Archangels, or in my opinion, slightly stronger or equal to Ludoshel PL wise.

 

[Tragicdeath]

Nakaba confirmed that Goddess wings are an expression or indicator of an individual's power.

Basically: the number, length, size, width and height of the wings are taken into account.

If you look solely at the wings of the clan:

Supreme Goddess > Mael > Elizabeth OR Ludoshel (pretty hard to tell) > Sariel > Tarmiel > Nerobasta/Jelamet > fodder

Because of her wings, Elizabeth isn't just a ''average jane'' or a low-tier Goddess, she should be on par with the Four Archangels, or in my opinion, slightly stronger or equal to Ludoshel PL wise.

Oh so in other words when Mael got twisted and lost his wings he went really down. So is it safe to assume since Elizabeth doesnt have wings as of now shes just an average jane?

 

[T25]

Oh so in other words when Mael got twisted and lost his wings he went really down. So is it safe to assume since Elizabeth doesnt have wings as of now shes just an average jane?

What’s an average Jane? No, what do you mean by average Jane?

 

[Mythoclast]

Nakaba confirmed that Goddess wings are an expression or indicator of an individual's power.

Basically: the number, length, size, width and height of the wings are taken into account.

If you look solely at the wings of the clan:

Supreme Goddess > Mael > Elizabeth OR Ludoshel (pretty hard to tell) > Sariel > Tarmiel > Nerobasta/Jelamet > fodder

Because of her wings, Elizabeth isn't just a ''average jane'' or a low-tier Goddess, she should be on par with the Four Archangels, or in my opinion, slightly stronger or equal to Ludoshel PL wise.

Scans?

 

[OtakuFreak]

Scans?

Ask one of the moderators, hell can I remember the source

@FKS @Demonspeed @Gallon

Assistance please!

Oh so in other words when Mael got twisted and lost his wings he went really down. So is it safe to assume since Elizabeth doesnt have wings as of now shes just an average jane?

I wouldn't say average, but she's heavily weakened since she's just a human now and not her prime Goddess self.

Would place her on the spectrum of the commandments to be honest in her human form, with how effective her magic has been in the manga, despite her limitations.

 

[Demonspeed]

Nakaba said that the rank of a Goddess is expressed by the number of his wings and their size. I don't remember when exactly but I think it was a bit before or during the Holy War flashback.

 

[OtakuFreak]

Nakaba said that the rank of a Goddess is expressed by the number of his wings and their size. I don't remember when exactly but I think it was a bit before or during the Holy War flashback.

Do you not have the source?

I know Nakaba said it, but I can't bloody remember where the source is or where he said it at

 

[Demonspeed]

Do you not have the source?

I know Nakaba said it, but I can't bloody remember where the source is or where he said it at

In a Q&A I think.

--- Double Post Merged, Jul 19, 2018, Original Post Date: Jul 19, 2018 ---

Found it. It's in Chapter 205. I found FKS's translation from back then, in the archive.

Welp, I was sleeping. Oh well.
Since they NEVER translate these things, here they are:

Q196: Hinata-san (Kagoshima Prefecture): Is the number of Goddesses' wings related to their ranks?
Nakaba: The higher ranked the Goddesses are, the more they have wings and the bigger the wings are.

Center text: Invasion of the Stigma headquarters!!
Margin text: Gowther of the Ten Commandments manipulates Nerobasta and infiltrates the base! A quiet and clever scheme is creeping on the Stigma's back…!!!
Bottom text: To be continued in chapter 206 / A wild beast howls.

 

[Seven777]

I'd say Elizabeth parallels Meliodas, she's meant to be the SD's successor, but as long as she holds all her peaceful emotions she'll be too weak to take in all 4 graces. If Elizabeth were to give up her emotions though, she might gain the same kind of the strength Meliodas did and become a worthy successor. Although imo the SD isnt as interested in seeing Elizabeth succeed her as the DK is in seeing Meliodas succeed him, SD feels like the final villain to me.

 

[Demonspeed]

It says rank, not power so it is the equivalent of the number of hearts for Demons. High-Ranked Demons are usually stronger than the others though, but we don't know the minimum PL required.

Now for people who are too obsessed with minute difference about the sizes. I don't think they really matter, Ludociel, Sariel, Mael and Elizabeth have two big pairs of wings, that's what matters IMO but it doesn't mean their PL are similar. Tarmiel has three pairs of tiny wings, which are probably the equivalent of the others and their two large pairs.

 

[Shutensatsu]

It says rank, not power so it is the equivalent of the number of hearts for Demons. High-Ranked Demons are usually stronger than the others though, but we don't know the minimum PL required.

Now for people who are too obsessed with minute difference about the sizes. I don't think they really matter, Ludociel, Sariel, Mael and Elizabeth have two big pairs of wings, that's what matters IMO but it doesn't mean their PL are similar. Tarmiel has three pairs of tiny wings, which are probably the equivalent of the others and their two large pairs.

I’m glad someone else said this.

It really is absurd how much time people spend debating that Ludociel’s wings are exactly 1.1 pixels bigger than Sariel, or Eli’s is .5 pixels bigger than Mael.

Nakaba has already told us how the 5 of them stack up against each other. He’s not going to take out a ruler and draw wing sizes the exactly the same in every panel.

Outside of Tarmiel, who was deliberately drawn with super tiny wings to show he’s fodder for a 6 wing goddess, and was stated to be equal to Sariel, I really doubt the rest matter all that much.

 

[TarXan]

I still don’t think Elizabeth is AA level or stronger because so far it looks like those titles when to Ludociel went to Mael

However I do believe Elizabeth was the most gifted and proficient Ark/PoL user 2nd only to the SD

 

[Demonspeed]

Forgot to add something about Goddesses of high rank. Unlike Demons, you can qualify as a Goddess of high rank even with one pair of wings. It's confirmed that Jelamet is one by Meliodas in the Altar SS. So, there are probably more subdivisions, following that logic Neobasta is a HR Goddess as well, but a HR Goddess with a rank below the AAs and Elizabeth.

 

[T25]

Forgot to add something about Goddesses of high rank. Unlike Demons, you can qualify as a Goddess of high rank even with one pair of wings. It's confirmed that Jelamet is one by Meliodas in the Altar SS. So, there are probably more subdivisions, following that logic Neobasta is a HR Goddess as well, but a HR Goddess with a rank below the AAs and Elizabeth.

That isn’t unlike the dc I believe. Red, gray, copper etc. were all low class. Fraudrin above them. TC high class with gray road a rarity. Chandler cusack zel Mel at the highest. Thing about them the higher the rank the more human there appearance it would seem.

 

[Demonspeed]

That isn’t unlike the dc I believe. Red, gray, copper etc. we’re all low class. Fraudrin above them. TC high class with gray road a rarity. Chandler cusack zel Mel at the highest. Thing about them the higher the rank the more human there appearance it would seem.

Fraudrin is confirmed HR Demon so he has seven hearts despite his looks. Gray, Red, Blue etc, they are not HR Demons.

Spoiler: Proof

 

[Gut's is the man]

Ask one of the moderators, hell can I remember the source

@FKS @Demonspeed @Gallon

Assistance please!



I wouldn't say average, but she's heavily weakened since she's just a human now and not her prime Goddess self.

Would place her on the spectrum of the commandments to be honest in her human form, with how effective her magic has been in the manga, despite her limitations.

Go to the wiki find the source they use as a referance.

 

[MrSchmitty7]

Those fodder goddesses from the flashbacks have two sets of giant wings like the AA. Honestly wing talk kinda sounds like an excuse to make Elizabeth high tier by this point. Especially since several people refuse to apply estimates to demon marks

 

[T25]

Fraudrin is confirmed HR Demon so he has seven hearts despite his looks. Gray, Red, Blue etc, they are not HR Demons.

Spoiler: Proof

Oh my bad, I didn’t mean to imply he wasn’t. My point was that their appearance maybe a marker for their rank just the same as the size and number of wings.

Those fodder goddesses from the flashbacks have two sets of giant wings like the AA. Honestly wing talk kinda sounds like an excuse to make Elizabeth high tier by this point. Especially since several people refuse to apply estimates to demon marks

I do not understand your point in making this comment.

 

[MrSchmitty7]

I do not understand your point in making this comment.

There’s been an argument going around that “since Elizabeth has wings comparable to Ludo, she is Ludo level”

The problem with that argument though is that wing sizes are inconsistent, especially since fodder Goddesses have wing sizes comparable to Ludo. So to use this as an argument for Elizabeth seems inadequate to me

 

[Gut's is the man]

Fraudrin is confirmed HR Demon so he has seven hearts despite his looks. Gray, Red, Blue etc, they are not HR Demons.

Spoiler: Proof

I really want to know how high ranked demons are created or where they come from. Are they just indura who gained control of themselves or is there a process?