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Monspiet vs Dolor
Dolor I think. I wish Monspiet had more feats.

Monspiet vs Gloxinia
Gloxinia more often than not. Since Glox is not a Giant, Trick Star will be more effective.

Monspiet vs Derieri
Monspiet for sure.

Dolor vs Derieri
Dolor.

Dolor vs Gloxinia
Draw.

Gloxinia vs Derieri
Gloxinia.

Graylord vs Melascula
Merascylla.

AM Meliodas vs 10C
The Commandments win.

114K+ Escanor vs 10C
Same as above, the Commandments win. Even more easily.


King, Diane (starts at 48k), Merlin, Ban, Gowther vs Monspiet, Dolor, Gloxinia, Derieri, Galan
The Sins lose more often than not.


King & Diane (BOTH BOOSTED TO AA TIER) vs Sariel & Tarmiel
The Sins win.
 

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How is Dolor beating Derieri?
And how do a hypothetical AA tier King and Diane beat Sariel and Tarmiel?
I really don't see how.
 

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Lol what?
He isn't immune to Commandments.
And he's only immortal via resurrection.He doesn't have an indefinite lifespan like Ban,Merlin and the DK.So he's going to get his time stolen from the moment he kills anyone.
I never said he's immune to commandments. What I said is that I don't see him getting afflicted by them during the battle. And no, Mel is immortal via longevity too. If he was only immortal via resurrection and hadn't an indefinite lifespam he would age, but no, he remained in his child form since the beginning of the curse. At least, that's what I understood. Plus, Mel doesn't need to kill them, he can incapacitate them so the commandment doesn't trigger.
 

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I don't see Dolor beating Derieri at all.
The latter is almost as strong as the Meliodas that was casually one or two shotting Dolor, even without taking Combo Star into account. She is stronger, faster, and harder to hit.

Many bring up Dolor's Dance, but frankly, that hasn't done shit for him. Zeldris managed to overpower him with a single kick.
 

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And how do a hypothetical AA tier King and Diane beat Sariel and Tarmiel?
I really don't see how.
They fight and they win? There is not much I can say about that.

I have really not been impressed by Derrierie. Combo Star is powerful but also very limited, she can only do close range attacks and Dolor has strength, resilience, agility, can boost his defense, read hearts. Ground is also more versatile.

Meliodas is a better fighter than Derrierie, not only he had his sword. But at 56K he was able to overpower Dolor(54K) and Gloxinia(50K). At 60K he overpowered Derrierie as well. Derrierie is not as skilled.
 

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I never said he's immune to commandments. What I said is that I don't see him getting afflicted by them during the battle. And no, Mel is immortal via longevity too. If he was only immortal via resurrection and hadn't an indefinite lifespam he would age, but no, he remained in his child form since the beginning of the curse. At least, that's what I understood. Plus, Mel doesn't need to kill them, he can incapacitate them so the commandment doe
Meliodas is not immortal via longevity.He's a midget.He isn't going grow any more.He has an average demon lifespan since nothing indicates otherwise.
He still has to worry about Piety,being trapped by Greyroad which would severely restrict him,stuff that can be summoned like bugs,low tier demons,zombies which he could accidentally kill.

They fight and they win? There is not much I can say about that.
How do they win when they're at such an overwhelming disadvantage against the AAs?

The Archangels have flight which means Diane isn't even landing a hit on them.
The Archangels have insane regen which means they can't be put down permanently.
They have amazing defences like Tarmiel's water intangibility and
Sariel's wind barrier.So tagging their actually bodies might be impossible for these two.
Their Graces can absolutely shred characters on their level.And neither King nor Diane are well known for their regen.
Don't see how the Archangels lose this.

I have really not been impressed by Derrierie. Combo Star is powerful but also very limited, she can only do close range attacks and Dolor has strength, resilience, agility, can boost his defense, read hearts. Ground is also more versatile.

Meliodas is a better fighter than Derrierie, not only he had his sword. But at 56K he was able to overpower Dolor(54K) and Gloxinia(50K). At 60K he overpowered Derrierie as well. Derrierie is not as skilled.
Derierre has flight which gives her an incredible mobility advantage over someone like Dolor.Ground isn't going to be very effective due to that fact.Derierre also has regen and darkness constructs.

Almost everyone in the series is less skilled than Mel..:lmao
Derierre isn't fighting Mel here.She fighting Dolor.And Derierre is more skilled than Dolor in cqc.

Dolor got oneshotted by a dude with 47k strength and ragdolled by a dude with 50k strength.Derierre is packing 48k strength which is further complimented by her magic,Combo star.
He's going be in a world of trouble if she lands a single good hit on him.

Even if he shells up with Heavy metal,he'd still lose.He won't be able to move or attack and his magic would run out eventually.The damage is just going to continue increasing and accumulating overtime until he's unable to take anymore.
 

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Derierre has flight which gives her an incredible mobility advantage over someone like Dolor.Ground isn't going to be very effective due to that fact.Derierre also has regen and darkness constructs.
To be fair, Dolor could also fly before losing his PoD, Nakaba just stopped showing it after Dolor did it once.
 

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To be fair, Dolor could also fly before losing his PoD, Nakaba just stopped showing it after Dolor did it once.
I mean.. a flying giant isn't a hard target to hit I presume.. unless it's the Supreme Goddess or the Demon King.

As for Drole and Gloxinia, I really wish Nakaba had invented and corporates the darkness x fairy/giant powers a lot more. Imagine the spirit spear having a form that is made out of darkness? Or Drole summoning golems/rocks with darkness with them.
 

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As for Drole and Gloxinia, I really wish Nakaba had invented and corporates the darkness x fairy/giant powers a lot more. Imagine the spirit spear having a form that is made out of darkness? Or Drole summoning golems/rocks with darkness with them.
Hey slow down, he might've had to actually write a creative and challenging fight for Meliodas at Vaizel and we can't have that happening.
 

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Meliodas is not immortal via longevity.He's a midget.He isn't going grow any more.He has an average demon lifespan since nothing indicates otherwise.
He still has to worry about Piety,being trapped by Greyroad which would severely restrict him,stuff that can be summoned like bugs,low tier demons,zombies which he could accidentally kill.


How do they win when they're at such an overwhelming disadvantage against the AAs?




The Archangels have flight which means Diane isn't even landing a hit on them.
The Archangels have insane regen which means they can't be put down permanently.
They have amazing defences like Tarmiel's water intangibility and
Sariel's wind barrier.So tagging their actually bodies might be impossible for these two.
Their Graces can absolutely shred characters on their level.And neither King nor Diane are well known for their regen.
Don't see how the Archangels lose this.
I think you are overrating flight. It has never been that great and doesn't make much of a difference considering the physical abilities of the fighters. Diane has plenty of moves with Creation and no one ever, some kind of precog(?) thanks to her dance and she is not going to stay immobile. Among the Sins, only three can fly but no one is saying that Meliodas, Merlin and King can crush the others. The only area where King and Diane are disadvantaged is when it comes to healing.

If they are at the same level, they can bypass Sariel's barrier(even Derrierie could) and Tarmiel's body is not that problematic. Especially with King and his Fairy powers. Both King and Diane have good defensive moves and in that scenario they have enough power to fight the Archangels.


Derierre has flight which gives her an incredible mobility advantage over someone like Dolor.Ground isn't going to be very effective due to that fact.Derierre also has regen and darkness constructs.

Almost everyone in the series is less skilled than Mel..:lmao
Derierre isn't fighting Mel here.She fighting Dolor.And Derierre is more skilled than Dolor in cqc.
What I said about flight above still applies. Even more where she can only fight at extreme close range. Nothing in this manga makes me think that Derrierie is more skilled than Dolor at CQC, she just punched and punched and punched.

Dolor got oneshotted by a dude with 47k strength and ragdolled by a dude with 50k strength.Derierre is packing 48k strength which is further complimented by her magic,Combo star.
He's going be in a world of trouble if she lands a single good hit on him.

Even if he shells up with Heavy metal,he'd still lose.He won't be able to move or attack and his magic would run out eventually.The damage is just going to continue increasing and accumulating overtime until he's unable to take anymore.
Once hit by Derrierie you can move you know. And Derrierie could have never fought like Mel or Zeldris(the latter sealed his Magic after kicking him). Dolor fought someone who was much stronger than both(Chandler) and he was not oneshotted after taking his attacks. I don't see Derrierie winning this. He also took Escanor's attack with Rhitta which had stored his energy during the day.
 

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Meliodas is not immortal via longevity.He's a midget.He isn't going grow any more.He has an average demon lifespan since nothing indicates otherwise.
He still has to worry about Piety,being trapped by Greyroad which would severely restrict him,stuff that can be summoned like bugs,low tier demons,zombies which he could accidentally kill.
https://www.mangareader.net/nanatsu-no-taizai/224/10

Mel: And then I realized that for some reason I wasn't aging at all. Well, I figured out the reason later on anyways.

This panel couldn't be more clear. He clearly is saying that he can't age because of the curse, implying that without it, he should be aging normally. He is immortal via longevity.

He doesn't need to worry about Piety since the commandment triggers when you run away from your opponent. Back then when he fought all the ten he obviously was much weaker (56K) and had no chance to win so he had to run which is why the commandment was triggered. However, current Mel is strong enough to pretty much oneshot all of them, so he has no reason to run away.

As for the Pacifism thing I already proved why I think Mel is immortal via longevity so Pacifism shouldn't do nothing to him. However, let's say that I am wrong and it really works against him. The possibilities of the commandment triggering are low because Mel doesn't need to kill them, he can just incapacitate them so they cannot continue the fight. Also, all the low tier demons and zombies that you have mentioned are no factor because they can't really damage Mel at all, he can just ignore them. Finally, Grayroad hasn't shown any technique that could severely restrict someone like AM Mel and even if she had it, Mel would easily dodge or block it, since even Howzer can react to some of her techniques:

https://www.mangareader.net/nanatsu-no-taizai/191/5
 

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4C-Mael vs 5C-Meliodas

Who wins? Let the war begin :cheez
 

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4C-Mael vs 5C-Meliodas

Who wins? Let the war begin :cheez
Obviously Meliodas. Way bigger base with more Commandments + they are absorbed the right way.
 

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Obviously Meliodas. Way bigger base with more Commandments + they are absorbed the right way.
I don't think the base matters? Meliodas implied that all ten commandments absorbed would put him at equal strength to his father at 50%, eventhough his independent PL should give him an edge. Plus, PL doesn't really matter if they are close to each other, and considering we have no idea what Maels base is without commandments, hard to tell.

Meliodas absorpting them the proper way just means he'll not lose his mind, and from the way Mael is going... doesn't seem like a problem for him.

Meliodas does have 5 instead of 4 commandments so there is that.

But even Sariel said that only a giant, human or fairy could defeat Mael, since he has a resistant to both angelic and demonic attacks whilst having the elemental advantage against both. Meliodas darkness would be weaker against him since he has a resistance, yet Mael could still use his light and stronger self-healing.

I don't think there's a certainty that anyone of them could win, it could go either to them tbh. But if I had to choose someone, it would be Meliodas since he properly absorbed them, has 1 more commandment, a stronger base PL and is Nakaba's golden child.

Meliodas would win but high to extreme difficulty in my opinion. Mael is a tough cookie.
 

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I have to ask.
Current +200k pl Mael vs The One
And why?
 

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I have to ask.
Current +200k pl Mael vs The One
And why?
Mael outlasts Escanor for more than a minute

= he wins

Mael 9/10 of the time unless Escanors peek with Rhitta is something completely different to swiping Meliodas like roast dinner.
 

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I don't think the base matters? Meliodas implied that all ten commandments absorbed would put him at equal strength to his father at 50%, eventhough his independent PL should give him an edge. Plus, PL doesn't really matter if they are close to each other, and considering we have no idea what Maels base is without commandments, hard to tell.
Wait...what? If the base doesn't matter then that means Mael got 200,000 just from the Commandments but his base doesn't matter, so does that mean that it vanishes? No LOL. So it means his base + Commandments PL is his 200,000+. Meliodas would get more than him in just Commandments + his 142,000 base, which is WAY more than Mael. That's why i said that he should win obviously. What Sariel said is probably true, but for people weaker than him, not someone who is much stronger. And if he's resistant even for stronger people than him, then he'll just die after a punch or two with no way of regeneration.

 
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Meliodas effortlessly stomps Mael, i doubt it will happen in the manga, but if it does Mael is just going to get humiliated. The extra commandment alone is enough for me to say he definitely wins, but on top of that Meliodas' is way more skilled, is absorbing them properly, is the one who was actually meant to absorb them in the first place and has a much higher base PL, i dont see how Mael would even stand a chance.
 

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Mael outlasts Escanor for more than a minute

= he wins

Mael 9/10 of the time unless Escanors peek with Rhitta is something completely different to swiping Meliodas like roast dinner.
Maybe a minute is enough for the one to handle mael, don't you think?
 
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