Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Axiomus]

He just burned away FH which is what supplies infinite magic to Zeref who cannot even defeat Acnologia even in that state. So there is obviously a limit which FH is. In order to do that he has to bypass Zeref’s time magic which would make any attacks relatively ineffective. There is the thing called scaling which is what we use here and call that NLF. Being friends makes Igneel just as evil as Zeref was if he is as ignorant as even Mavis was in the beginning. Being under the influence of the curse does not exempt him from his wrongful deeds. In the end it is not a matter of strength, it is about the type of power it is that can defeat Zeref’s immortality. Acnologia is stronger and even he cannot kill Zeref (even with FH). Do you not see the flaw in your reason? Just like how Dimaria’s magic could ont be surpassed by certain powers as well. Which should be obvious enough

Again, Fairy Heart has no limits. Even if Zeref has limits, Fairy Heart does not. It's literally infinite power. Natsu had to burn this infinite power away in order to stop Zeref from turning back time. There's really only 2 ways to look at this. (1) Natsu overpowered infinite power, which should put him at universal level using real world physics. (2) Natsu overpowered infinite power, and we agree that Hiro Mashima isn't the best scientist in the world and just rank Natsu based on the size of his attacks. Whatever option we choose to use for Natsu should apply to every other character in the series.

Igneel wasn't evil or ignorant. Zeref wasn't evil 400 years ago. He wasn't evil until Tenrou Island when he decided to kill everyone. Zeref was Igneel's friend, so Igneel had no reason to kill him. Fire in this series has been known to burn magic. We saw Igneel's power burn away Zeref's magic, so it stands to reason that Igneel's powers could kill Zeref by burning away the curse keeping him alive. Acnologia might not be able to do this because he doesn't use fire. None of this changes the fact that raw power is the major reason why Igneel's power can kill Zeref. If the attack isn't strong enough, it simply will not even get past Zeref's defenses. Let alone kill him. END's attacks can be blocked barehanded by Erza. It will be blocked by Zeref just as easily. Let me put it this way: Even if Zeref wasn't immortal, I still don't see any way END's power can kill Zeref.

 

[LaGOAT]

That is to the contrary that Spriggans and other high level wizards have proven to be much stronger than many dragons, the only thing though that stops them from being slain is their dragon scales. And the manga even goes as far to say that the Spriggans are the strongest enemies FT ever faced, that would put them well above the Dragons they fought before (besides Acno) and like I said before, if someone like Acnologia, who could eat any magic and is the strongest cannot kill Zeref, then there is someone more powerful than even the strongest dragon, Dimaria knows more about her powers than not, so she should know not to use it against her fellow Spriggans unless if traitors. Ah, yes, END can kill Zeref because that is what he was created to do, with his powers proved that when he surpassed god’s time stop, just like he can surpass god’s immortality.

Exacty so if spriggan can’t put damage on the dragons what make u think they are stronger? I already said that u don’t to kill some1 to be consider stronger acno not killing Zeref doesn’t mean he weaker than Zeref I guess mavis>acno cuz she was immortal too?. Who said that spriggan are stronger than the dragons? show me a panel. Also U just said acno>spriggan so why keep Contradicting ur self? What? Are u saying that dimaria is stronger than Irene August and lacade? Just because he was created to kill Zeref doesn’t mean he has the power do that’s like saying since Wendy is a DS she now has the power to slay a acno or igneel. I keep repeating myself no gods are stronger than the anco

 

[WoWfan]

That is why FH has a limit if Zeref has limits, it is infinite in supply, it is limited in user container size. If Igneel wasn’t ignorant then he would have killed Zeref. He was evil since he first got the curse, he contradicts himself that is what makes him evil. If you call disgracing the dead, treating others and corpses poorly not evil, then I do not know what is. Still not a reason why Igneel shouldn’t kill him. Magic =/= curse, besides being from the one magic, that is it, no other connections. If fire could kill Zeref then why is he still alive after all this time? No, you say that strength is all that matter, do not change your argument to this. Besides that would only further my point that END can kill Zeref because he uses fire as well.

>Laxus pwns natsu, that does not make them stronger at all, just durable beyond reason, Spriggans are by definition stronger by better stats. I never said that, I said Acno is stronger yet cannot kill Zeref which makes Ankhseram stronger than Acno. That curse is not a spell of Zeref, it is the god’s spell. It is on the volume cover that says that, and by stats Spriggans are stronger, Dragons could only destroy mountains with their breath, while Wall’s spell has country level energy. I did no such thing, prove that I did. Strength is irrelavent here, that is all there is to it. August is naturally stronger, but he can just copy and negate Dimaria’s magic since it can still effect him. That is not the same, END is different from slayers because he explicitly has the ability to bypass god powers, War god is also stronger since he can casually slice through mountains as well, while a dragon could destroy a mountain

 

[Axiomus]

That is why FH has a limit if Zeref has limits, it is infinite in supply, it is limited in user container size. If Igneel wasn’t ignorant then he would have killed Zeref. He was evil since he first got the curse, he contradicts himself that is what makes him evil. If you call disgracing the dead, treating others and corpses poorly not evil, then I do not know what is. Still not a reason why Igneel shouldn’t kill him. Magic =/= curse, besides being from the one magic, that is it, no other connections. If fire could kill Zeref then why is he still alive after all this time? No, you say that strength is all that matter, do not change your argument to this. Besides that would only further my point that END can kill Zeref because he uses fire as well.

>Laxus pwns natsu, that does not make them stronger at all, just durable beyond reason, Spriggans are by definition stronger by better stats. I never said that, I said Acno is stronger yet cannot kill Zeref which makes Ankhseram stronger than Acno. That curse is not a spell of Zeref, it is the god’s spell. It is on the volume cover that says that, and by stats Spriggans are stronger, Dragons could only destroy mountains with their breath, while Wall’s spell has country level energy. I did no such thing, prove that I did. Strength is irrelavent here, that is all there is to it. August is naturally stronger, but he can just copy and negate Dimaria’s magic since it can still effect him. That is not the same, END is different from slayers because he explicitly has the ability to bypass god powers, War god is also stronger since he can casually slice through mountains as well, while a dragon could destroy a mountain

Natsu would had to have burned the infinite supply. Otherwise Zeref would recharge and turn back time, and Natsu would be back in square one. Zeref wasn't evil 400 years ago. Even with the curse of contradiction, Zeref was a nice person until Grimoire Heart invaded Tenrou Island. He was Igneel's friend, nice to Mavis, and charismatic enough to run an entire empire. Igneel's power was burning the black magic Zeref was using. You're right, magic =/= curses. Magic > Curses, because magic comes from love. I haven't changed my position. Raw power is still the single largest reason why Igneel's power can work against Zeref. Strong fire magic can burn other magics. Igneel's flames can burn away Zeref's curse because it is powerful enough to do so. Weak fire magic will do nothing to Zeref. If Natsu had Zancrow's fire, it would be far too weak to even tickle Zeref. It wouldn't matter if Zancrow was dead or alive.

 

[WoWfan]

He would just have to burn enough that is equivalent to Zeref’s magic tank. He could not reverse time when Natsu’s flames heat reached the means to distort it. No he was not, he even created Alvarez which described him as a man who showed force and ruled with an iron hand and performs all sorts of war practices, so no he is not guiltless for anything, especially for those who did suffer, he was evil long before even grimoire even during FT’s founding, Mavis said he was mean for Saying cruel things. He even admitted to stories of his evil being true. Natsu can burn magic before Igneel’s power, that proves nothing of it being able to kill Zeref. Even love can bring negative emotions as well such as Hatred which is a source of power for Curses. That is false, only Natsu’s flames have shown to burn other Magic’s and it is not even about strength or heat that kills Zeref it is about other hax means, such as Igneel’s power being dying. If Natsu has infinite power then it would have killed Zeref but didn’t, so no your opinion is false. Natsu has END which has the ability to kill Zeref.

 

[Axiomus]

He would just have to burn enough that is equivalent to Zeref’s magic tank. He could not reverse time when Natsu’s flames heat reached the means to distort it. No he was not, he even created Alvarez which described him as a man who showed force and ruled with an iron hand and performs all sorts of war practices, so no he is not guiltless for anything, especially for those who did suffer, he was evil long before even grimoire even during FT’s founding, Mavis said he was mean for Saying cruel things. He even admitted to stories of his evil being true. Natsu can burn magic before Igneel’s power, that proves nothing of it being able to kill Zeref. Even love can bring negative emotions as well such as Hatred which is a source of power for Curses. That is false, only Natsu’s flames have shown to burn other Magic’s and it is not even about strength or heat that kills Zeref it is about other hax means, such as Igneel’s power being dying. If Natsu has infinite power then it would have killed Zeref but didn’t, so no your opinion is false. Natsu has END which has the ability to kill Zeref.

Fairy Heart is in Zeref's magic tank, and it is constantly refilling his tank. If Natsu wiped away the power in Zeref's tank, Fairy Heart would just refill it. Natsu must wipe away Fairy Heart's infinite power in order to get anywhere. Natsu doesn't have infinite power, but he did burn away infinite power. Again, Mashima is not a great scientist. Alvarez was 300 years after Igneel left anyways. Saying cruel things doesn't make you evil. In any case, it was a fact that Igneel and Zeref were friends 400 years ago. Call Igneel ignorant if you want, but there's no plot hole for why Igneel chose not to kill Zeref. Natsu's flames can burn curses. He burned Mard Geer's thorn brambles, and those were curses. Zeref also said that he was using his curse to power his Dark Abyss Exploding Blade spell, and Natsu burned that as well. Love is not hate. Flames of savage emotions requires specifically for Natsu to think about the love that he has for all of his friends. When Natsu did that after Erza stopped him, his END powers dissipated. Besides, thinking that Lucy was dead is about as angry as Natsu has ever been. He already showed his max anger in the fight with Gray. It's not enough.

 

[WoWfan]

That is my point exactly, since it is in Zeref’s tank and it is constantly refilling, that is how Natsu burned FH since it is ther in the tank and removed every last trace of it. No, he already started Alvarez, he said so in their conversation. It does when he fully admitted to him being evil was correct. still doesn’t prove that power is necessary to kill Zeref, just certain hax abilities can. Burning thorns proves nothing, that means Gray can freeze any magic and curse if that were the case, if Natsu could not burn Memento Mori like he burned Genesis Zero, both whom removed their targets from existence, then he could not burn curses the same way. That was black magic, not his actual curse, his curse is to not die nor age.

 

[Axiomus]

That is my point exactly, since it is in Zeref’s tank and it is constantly refilling, that is how Natsu burned FH since it is ther in the tank and removed every last trace of it. No, he already started Alvarez, he said so in their conversation. It does when he fully admitted to him being evil was correct. still doesn’t prove that power is necessary to kill Zeref, just certain hax abilities can. Burning thorns proves nothing, that means Gray can freeze any magic and curse if that were the case, if Natsu could not burn Memento Mori like he burned Genesis Zero, then he could not burn curses the same way. That was black magic, not his actual curse, his curse is to not die nor age.

Fairy Heart is an infinite amount of magic power, so burning every trace of it would literally require burning an infinite amount of magic power. Natsu may not have been powerful enough to burn Momento Mori in the Tartarus arc, but I have no doubt that he would be powerful enough to do so in the Alvarez Arc. Gray is an excellent example for why raw power matters. Gray couldn't just freeze Zeref with ice-make magic or devil slaying magic, because mages far weaker than Zeref like Ajeel can easily just break their way out of it. Gray had to resort to Lost Ice Shell, which is a special version of iced shell that is hundreds of times stronger than normal. Gray can potentially freeze anything if he was powerful enough. He's just not as strong as Natsu, much less Igneel, so he can't fight Zeref the way Natsu did. Also freezing a curse doesn't necessarily destroy it. It would in fact do the opposite and preserve it. In any case, thorn brambles wasn't the only analogy I gave you. Natsu also burned away Zeref's final attack, which was powered by his curse. Curses are just power fueled by negative emotions, which is exactly what Zeref is doing here. Zeref literally says his curse.

 

[WoWfan]

FH May have an infinite supply, but Zeref does not have an infinite storage unit. Natsu only has to burn the entirety of his container to destroy FH. No, he could only burn Genesis Zero because his flame was special, to what description, never explained but it is the case, since Natsu has no special properties to stop Momento Mori, But Gray does since he has the ability to, and he was around the same Level as Natsu at the time and he did it, so no, it is not a matter of strength, stop saying things without proof. Yes Gray can, breaking out of ice is not the same as melting it, which breaking ice would break the person as well, he can use Ice Shell to freeze him forever because it has stronger freezing capabilities, and increases the magic power, nothing totally related to DC or strength, thanks for proving my point that hax matters rather than just strength. Zeref does not have the same curse as demons do, it is the curse form a god, get your facts straight, he is just converting his darkness to power for a magic, not a curse. Then Lightning, wind and other elements are the same way since it destroys curses as well.

 

[Axiomus]

FH May have an infinite supply, but Zeref does not have an infinite storage unit. Natsu only has to burn the entirety of his container to destroy FH. No, he could only burn Genesis Zero because his flame was special, to what description, never explained but it is the case, since Natsu has no special properties to stop Momento Mori, But Gray does since he has the ability to, and he was around the same Level as Natsu at the time and he did it, so no, it is not a matter of strength, stop saying things without proof. Yes Gray can, breaking out of ice is not the same as melting it, which breaking ice would break the person as well, he can use Ice Shell to freeze him forever because it has stronger freezing capabilities, and increases the magic power, nothing related to DC or strength, thanks for proving my point that hax matters rather than just strength. Zeref does not have the same curse as demons do, it is the curse form a god, get your facts straight, he is just converting his darkness to power for a magic, not a curse. Then Lightning, wind and other elements are the same way since it destroys curses as well.

Fairy Heart is infinite power, regardless of where it is stored. It was infinite power when it was in Mavis' body. Irene was going to extract Fairy Heart from Mavis' body. It would have still been infinite power once Irene extracted it, whether it was stored in a jar or floating off in space. Special flames? It was just a golden flame that contained all of Jellal's magic power. That amount of power allowed Natsu to enter dragon force. Natsu could burn genesis zero because he was powerful enough to do so. Gray was more powerful than Natsu in the Tartarus arc because he had Silver's magic power. Gray freezing Zeref with regular ice make, or even devil slaying magic, would have accomplished nothing. Ajeel was able to break free of Gray's ice without melting it and his body didn't break. Zeref would have done the same. If Gray could just trap Zeref in a block of ice without suicide, don't you think he would have done so? Gray needed Lost Iced Shell because it was powerful enough of a spell that Zeref couldn't just break free from it. The point of the lost element was that Gray would erase all traces of his existence so that his magic power would be hundreds of times stronger. How is this not the most excellent example that raw power is important? If Zeref's curse is not the same as the demon's curses, then why are we having this argument? You're the one who is saying Natsu can only burn magic, not curses. If all you want proof that Natsu can burn a god's power, then look no further than Ikusatsunagi.

 

[WoWfan]

It is still finite within a given finite space, it just produces infinite magic, nothing Natsu can’t burn away with hot enough flames. That makes no sense as Gold Flames made him 3 times stronger than when he ate Etherion and that was enough to obliterate a nation, Jellal cannot be three times stronger than Etherion. Plus the user accepts all the other person’s sins when eating those flames. No he was not, Gray just had demon slaying aspects, he was even beaten back by Jemma, weaker than Mard. To anyone else besides demons, it might as well be regular ice. Because Iced Shell has better freezing capabilities, cannot calc that to DC entirely, and not the same as killing Zeref, that is no proof there. If you truly believed that god’s curse is anything like Demon curse then why indeed? The argument was about Natsu having special attributes that allows him to bypass immortality. Because he used Igneel’s flames to do it, that only proves that Igneel’s magic is special, not just in strength that allows those to kill those with god attributes.

 

[Woodenstool]

Spriggans scale to Wall’s attack which is based on Nuclear Fusion, and we can find the amount of energy his attacks can produce which makes it Country-Large Country level via radiation energy:

Wall’s Etherion being 2.31137195625E+25 joules = 724.88 Teratons (Large Country)

Wall’s first plasma ball being 4.8917925E+22 joules = 11.69 Teratons (Country)

Dimaria’s magic is not scalable to strength since it is hax, but that doesn’t make her any less weak than the average Spriggan.

I am not saying anything like that, like you said she could only be countered by those who have explicit abilities to counter her time stop.

That is not what we are talking about, Axi said having infinite energy makes Zeref omniversal level which I am trying to rectify that saying he is only scalable to those in verse as he himself has a finite magic container but limitless magic source. Zeref would be at least somewhat continent level scaling above August and Irene who the later can compress a continent size nation.

You’re smoking gas if you think Wahl is anywhere close to country level.

 

[WoWfan]

Backed up by both science and story, I say otherwise

 

[Woodenstool]

Woodenstool, I'm sorry if you find my posts to be a long read, but I assure you having to spend paragraphs explaining things that are very obvious just by reading the manga isn't very productive for me either. Gildarts isn't the strongest mage in the series, and arguably isn't even the strongest in Fairy Tail anymore. Anyone as strong as END can move through Dimaria's time. Dimaria also has no means of hurting any dragons even if she does stop time. They would just no sell her attempts at hurting them, and then stomp her when she's out of magic. The 100 years quest is both written and drawn by Mashima, and is definitely canon. He literally writes the story and draws the name (basically the rough copy). Atsuo takes this draft, redraws the panels if he needs to, and inks them. It's part of the reason why Astuo's art so closely resembles Mashima's.

Spoiler: This is the rough draft Mashima drew for chapter 2

WoWfan, that's not what I am saying. What I am saying is that even if Zeref can't use all of Fairy Heart's infinite power at one time, Natsu still burned away all of Fairy Heart's infinite power. If Natsu only burned the power in Zeref's container, Fairy Heart would refill it and Zeref would just rewind time afterwards. The only way Natsu could have possibly defeated Zeref was if he destroyed Fairy Heart's infinite power. This would make Natsu universal if you were consistent about using real world physics to rank power levels. Also, skimming through your last post you mentioned somewhere that Igneel would kill Zeref just because he was evil as a plot-hole. That's not true. Zeref and Igneel were friends 400 years ago, and Zeref was good enough of a person to help Igneel plan to defeat Acnologia. He was a good person all the way up until the middle of the Tenrou Arc when he decided that he would just kill everyone.

Is that why Gildarts literally dismantled August into atoms in seconds of engaging in battle?

I don’t know what story you’re reading but August is the strongest spriggan 12. And no, END/Natsu can bypass Dimarias magic because Zeref made him like that. Zeref created a being so powerful to defeat him so he obviously equipped him with that ability. Dimaria even said the “only person” capable of walking through her time/space world was END. Not even Acnologia could bypass it, well maybe he could after literally eating time.

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Backed up by both science and story, I say otherwise

Idk what story you’re reading then because his attack barely hurt Laxus . Unless you wanna sit here and argue that Laxus has country level+ dura. I can also smack you in that debate too.

 

[WoWfan]

That is his standard durability after all, there is such thing called scaling. His attack has energy equivalent to this calc, .986 * (5.67 × 10-8 W/m2^•K^4) * .14 * 50,000,000 = 4.1218523136E+22 watts (joules per second) = 11.69 Teratons (Country), even higher with scaling his magic, where his barrier would have stopped Wall’s Etherion which is the same but higher.

Science does not care for your opinion

 

[Axiomus]

It is still finite within a given finite space, it just produces infinite magic, nothing Natsu can’t burn away with hot enough flames. That makes no sense as Gold Flames made him 3 times stronger than when he ate Etherion and that was enough to obliterate a nation, Jellal cannot be three times stronger than Etherion. Plus the user accepts all the other person’s sins when eating those flames. No he was not, Gray just had demon slaying aspects, he was even beaten back by Jemma, weaker than Mard. To anyone else besides demons, it might as well be regular ice. Because Iced Shell has better freezing capabilities, cannot calc that to DC entirely, and not the same as killing Zeref, that is no proof there. If you truly believed that god’s curse is anything like Demon curse then why indeed? The argument was about Natsu having special attributes that allows him to bypass immortality. Because he used Igneel’s flames to do it, that only proves that Igneel’s magic is special, not just in strength that allows those to kill those with god attributes.

It's infinite power, no matter where it is. It was infinite power in Mavis body. It would have been infinite power after Irene extracts it from Mavis' body. It is still infinite power when Zeref had it. Jellal's flames didn't make him 3x stronger than when he ate etherion. It made him 2-3x stronger than his normal self, similar to when he ate etherion. I don't see what accepting sins has anything to do with it. Silver was more powerful than Natsu. He gave all his magical power to Gray. Unless you think Natsu is as powerful as Silver and Gray's combined magical power, Gray was stronger in Tartarus. Devil Slaying ice is harder to melt than Gray's normal ice. It doesn't matter if Gray's lost iced shell doesn't translate to larger AoE. It's still an example of why raw power matters. I never said Gray could kill Zeref. I said he could freeze Zeref if he was strong enough. He is strong enough with lost iced shell, but not without. Igneel's power could burn Zeref's curse, thereby killing him. Fire magic weaker than Igneel's can't do that. Natsu literally uses the same type of magic that Igneel does. Pretty much the only difference between Natsu's own magic and Igneel's magic is the amount of power involved.

Is that why Gildarts literally dismantled August into atoms in seconds of engaging in battle?

I don’t know what story you’re reading but August is the strongest spriggan 12. And no, END/Natsu can bypass Dimarias magic because Zeref made him like that. Zeref created a being so powerful to defeat him so he obviously equipped him with that ability. Dimaria even said the “only person” capable of walking through her time/space world was END. Not even Acnologia could bypass it, well maybe he could after literally eating time.

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Idk what story you’re reading then because his attack barely hurt Laxus . Unless you wanna sit here and argue that Laxus has country level+ dura. I can also smack you in that debate too.

Large blocks are not atoms, and disassembly is a non-lethal spell. Didn't end the fight with Natsu when he used it on Tenrou. Didn't end the fight with August either. August is tied with Irene as the strongest Spriggan, and Gildarts didn't beat August. All of them are weaker than Acnologia tiers. Ultear could move through Dimaria's time, so no END is not the only one. Besides, why would Zeref have any need for END to be immune to time stop? It wouldn't be another 400 years before he met Dimaria, and being immune to time stop literally offers no advantage in being able to kill Zeref. Dimaria's powers don't work on END for the same reason Brandish's powers don't work on END. Because END's power was far stronger than theirs. Acnologia is far stronger than END. Acnologia > Dimaria isn't speculation either. In Rogue's future, Acnologia soloed the world. Including Dimaria.

 

[WoWfan]

If he had to burn away infinite energy then he had to have infinite power as well to be able to counter it. Which would make your claim even more unsupportive. So Irene has infinite power as well? Is that what your saying? No, it is very much like when he at Etherion which could destroy an entire country which does make him 3x stronger by your logic. Seeing as how you say that he has a curse power based on just converting his darkness into power. Silver have his magic to Gray, that doesn’t make him any more stronger than Natsu who managed to actually harm Mard while Gray could only harm him with devil slayer Magic. The way it was shown, Natsu did most of the effort in fighting Mard than Gray did despite his attacks being effective. Yes it does since that was your argument this entire time, you cannot use Gray as an example if you haven’t claimed Gray can kill Zeref because that is the pint of the discussion that strength is relative to overcoming a hax which is false in certain circumstances. Freezing him is not the same as killing him. Igneel power could kill Zeref because it is the power of the dying. The only difference is the type of power used which is explicitly clear stated above. You still have to proof he can burn a god curse with just power

 

[Woodenstool]

It's infinite power, no matter where it is. It was infinite power in Mavis body. It would have been infinite power after Irene extracts it from Mavis' body. It is still infinite power when Zeref had it. Jellal's flames didn't make him 3x stronger than when he ate etherion. It made him 2-3x stronger than his normal self, similar to when he ate etherion. I don't see what accepting sins has anything to do with it. Silver was more powerful than Natsu. He gave all his magical power to Gray. Unless you think Natsu is as powerful as Silver and Gray's combined magical power, Gray was stronger in Tartarus. Devil Slaying ice is harder to melt than Gray's normal ice. It doesn't matter if Gray's lost iced shell doesn't translate to larger AoE. It's still an example of why raw power matters. I never said Gray could kill Zeref. I said he could freeze Zeref if he was strong enough. He is strong enough with lost iced shell, but not without. Igneel's power could burn Zeref's curse, thereby killing him. Fire magic weaker than Igneel's can't do that. Natsu literally uses the same type of magic that Igneel does. Pretty much the only difference between Natsu's own magic and Igneel's magic is the amount of power involved.



Large blocks are not atoms, and disassembly is a non-lethal spell. Didn't end the fight with Natsu when he used it on Tenrou. Didn't end the fight with August either. August is tied with Irene as the strongest Spriggan, and Gildarts didn't beat August. All of them are weaker than Acnologia tiers. Ultear could move through Dimaria's time, so no END is not the only one. Besides, why would Zeref have any need for END to be immune to time stop? It wouldn't be another 400 years before he met Dimaria, and being immune to time stop literally offers no advantage in being able to kill Zeref. Dimaria's powers don't work on END for the same reason Brandish's powers don't work on END. Because END's power was far stronger than theirs. Acnologia is far stronger than END. Acnologia > Dimaria isn't speculation either. In Rogue's future, Acnologia soloed the world. Including Dimaria.

Last time I checked Zeref has a massive arsenal of time related magic. He was the one who learned it and taught it to Ultear. So yes, Zeref making a being equipped for every outcome is key.

The key to defeating wasn’t power, it was love. Cliche I know

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If Zeref didn’t take fairy heart and got hit by Natsu attack. I’m sure he would’ve rematerialized back.

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And Gildarts literally blitz August, the guy couldn’t even react to Gildarts being behind him. And you think Natsu can beat Gildarts when he end the fight after dismantling him and crashing the whole area.

He leveled a high mountain casually

 

[Loke]

Dimaria's words seemingly imply that anyone with power greater than Chronos can bypass that ability. Clearly in her mind END is the pinnacle of power for whatever reason.

 

[WoWfan]

That does not make any sense though, that contradicts the idea that Zeref is stronger than END so basically END can kill Zeref or END can just bypass god powers because that is one of it’s special abilities