Discussion Bounties: How are they Attributed?

[Core D. Roy]

damn dude... excessive lol

Hell no, I love posts like this.

 

[nik87]

@King Moe Seems way too much. Leaves other Yonko's crews in the dust by far at least your prediction for Zoro/Sanji bounties as thats more than double of their first commanders. I dont know what Luffy needs to do to be worth that much, maybe once he becomes PK but else...

 

[Sachsenhesse]

This time i kinda agree with Moe-chan.

After Kaidou it is to be expected, that Luffy will be the closest to Raftel and Pirateking. IF he wins and gets his hand on Kaidous Porneglyph, then he is a very dangerous individual for the WG, which would fit such bounties.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Now that I like about @King Moe please accept my apologies for doubting you.

There is no situation where Big Mom isn't handed a defeat along side Kaido.

Leading to the downfall of 2 Yonko could actually catapult all the SH's bounties exponentially.

Even I, Queen of this forum, can be wrong once in a while *closes eyes slowly and allows a tear to roll down my check*

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@King Moe Seems way too much. Leaves other Yonko's crews in the dust by far at least your prediction for Zoro/Sanji bounties as thats more than double of their first commanders. I dont know what Luffy needs to do to be worth that much, maybe once he becomes PK but else...

Defeat 2 Yonko's should do it, or at least being the driving force of their defeat.

 

[King Moe]

@King Moe Seems way too much. Leaves other Yonko's crews in the dust by far at least your prediction for Zoro/Sanji bounties as thats more than double of their first commanders. I dont know what Luffy needs to do to be worth that much, maybe once he becomes PK but else...

Well if Monster Trio defeat their respective opponents, their bounty will definitely rise. With Jack having a bounty 1 million, Kaido, King, and Queen would have higher bounties than him and Orochi while maybe not eave a bounty, his reputation is equal to their lvl probably. I take this account on what their bounties could be as usually when Strawhat (Especally Luffy) defeat someone with a bounty higher than their own, they are given bounties higher than that individual they defeat, so Luffy, Sanji, and Zoro bounties would get a high increasion to be bigger than theirs. That goes for the others depending who they will defeat.

Just speculating about, but will edit my post once I got good idea of the enemies bounties for their final major opponents each.

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Now that I like about @King Moe please accept my apologies for doubting you.

There is no situation where Big Mom isn't handed a defeat along side Kaido.

Leading to the downfall of 2 Yonko could actually catapult all the SH's bounties exponentially.

Even I, Queen of this forum, can be wrong once in a while *closes eyes slowly and allows a tear to roll down my check*

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Defeat 2 Yonko's should do it, or at least being the driving force of their defeat.

Yeah, we need to take in account Big Mom will come and bring her crew two and the Marine Navy as well (CP0 as well maybe) along perhaps Big News Morgan too. They will see all of this first hand and thus everyone who particapted against them, will get massive increase depending how much they will do in the huge war against the Yonkos.

 

[nik87]

Well it seems like the first commanders are around the 1 Billion mark like Katakuri is and I doubt that King is higher than 1.2Bil at best so getting a bounty of 2.5Bil is extreme. Not even Luffy got such extreme increase for the exaggerated portrayal of WCI events from Morgans.

Yes, they have been getting higher bounties than the opponents have they have beaten but those fights were 1vs1 and I dont think that is happening against Yonkos so I doubt they will get a higher bounty than a Yonko they defeated collectively.

Anyway, seeing how Luffy's bounty trippled after WCI anything is possible.

 

[King Moe]

Well it seems like the first commanders are around the 1 Billion mark like Katakuri is and I doubt that King is higher than 1.2Bil at best so getting a bounty of 2.5Bil is extreme. Not even Luffy got such extreme increase for the exaggerated portrayal of WCI events from Morgans.

Yes, they have been getting higher bounties than the opponents have they have beaten but those fights were 1vs1 and I dont think that is happening against Yonkos so I doubt they will get a higher bounty than a Yonko they defeated collectively.

Anyway, seeing how Luffy's bounty trippled after WCI anything is possible.

You never know as the WG still think Luffy is mastermind in taking down Big Mom. We never thought Luffy would get 1.5 Billion after WCI events, but it happened, so even if their teamups against these guys, WG would probably see Strawhat as the main handlers of it all and increase them to a high degree.

Since Jack is 1 Billion, I am thinking King and Queen would be above probably 1,500,000,000 Billion Beri or more to put difference in their power with each other just like Sweet Commanders of Big Mom.

 

[Fox666]

I don't expect King or Queen bounties to be much higher than Jack. The 1.5 billion belongs to the "Fifth Emperor", I wouldn't be surprised if Luffy's has the 5th highest bounty of the world, among pirates. Besides Katakuri seems special even among the Yonko right-hand men.

 

[King Moe]

I don't expect King or Queen bounties to be much higher than Jack. The 1.5 billion belongs to the "Fifth Emperor", I wouldn't be surprised if Luffy's has the 5th highest bounty of the world, among pirates. Besides Katakuri seems special even among the Yonko right-hand men.

Pretty sure they are higher. Why same lvl if King and Queen are more stronger and probably do more damage than them. Wouldn't make sense especially to put a difference in lvl between them.

Only to Big Mom Pirates. Not to the world as there probably more Billion or more wanted people than Katakuri. They will face stronger people than him, so it all make sense and what to expect. There already canon characters who possibly have more than him and Luffy hardly reach the "top top" of bounties yet. Think that's a bit overestimate there as we haven't reach there yet.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Pretty sure they are higher. Why same lvl if King and Queen are more stronger and probably do more damage than them. Wouldn't make sense especially to put a difference in lvl between them.

Only to Big Mom Pirates. Not to the world as there probably more Billion or more wanted people than Katakuri. They will face stronger people than him, so it all make sense and what to expect. There already canon characters who possibly have more than him and Luffy hardly reach the "top top" of bounties yet. Think that's a bit overestimate there as we haven't reach there yet.

In the data books Big Mom is powerful because she has the strongest family so it should stand to reason that her family/crew is stronger than Kaido's crew

It wouldn't account for higher bounties but from what we've seen from Kaido's forces... They are a joke outside of the Calamities and Hawkins. Not a single headliner was impressive

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sorry, not data book but Ace's novel

 

[nik87]

I doubt any first commander is more impressive than Katakuri. They may be monsters in their own way but Katakuri had an entire arc for himself, he has put Big Mom in 2nd plan and was portrayed as a better version of Luffy, the perfect big brother. His future sight is basically broken advantage over anyone who doesnt have it unless its monstrously strong characters which he cannot hurt.

Beast Pirates may have slightly higher bounties as they may be more ruthless, seeing how a 3rd commander Jack already has a 1Bil bounty.
Blackbeard Pirates are notorious and all but I doubt their bounties will be impressive as Blackbeard himself probably has the lowest bounty among all Yonko's.
Redhair Pirates have Beckman who is supposedly incredibly smart but if he is more impressive than Katakuri remains to be seen.

 

[King Moe]

In the data books Big Mom is powerful because she has the strongest family so it should stand to reason that her family/crew is stronger than Kaido's crew

It wouldn't account for higher bounties but from what we've seen from Kaido's forces... They are a joke outside of the Calamities and Hawkins. Not a single headliner was impressive

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sorry, not data book but Ace's novel

Idk about "Strongest Crew", but are top tier for sure, but Big Mom alone as shown to be a big threat just as bad, if not worse.

We all thought that about Big Mom's crew with first enemies and associates with Pekoms, Brulee, etc., but later on change our minds especially seeing Katakuri. You shouldn't judge at the start when we have yet to see the more inbetween of Calamities and Headliners yet. Oda show the weaker surbodinates before showing stronger fighters like in WCI. Need patience until judging the crew.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Idk about "Strongest Crew", but are top tier for sure, but Big Mom alone as shown to be a big threat just as bad, if not worse.

We all thought that about Big Mom's crew with first enemies and associates with Pekoms, Brulee, etc., but later on change our minds especially seeing Katakuri. You shouldn't judge at the start when we have yet to see the more inbetween of Calamities and Headliners yet. Oda show the weaker surbodinates before showing stronger fighters like in WCI. Need patience until judging the crew.

That's just what the novel said. And apparently it's considered canon

Kaido's existance
Shank's anger
Big Mom's family

Those are the reasons the 3 yonko are terrifying.

Big Mom's crew is stronger than Kaido's but Kaido alone is strong enough to make up the difference between the 2.

So if we follow that line of reasoning, Her crew should have the higher bounties as they are far more dangerous. Even her non commanders had bounties over 500,000,000

Again, we've seen Kaido's crew. Nothing impressive so far

 

[King Moe]

I doubt any first commander is more impressive than Katakuri. They may be monsters in their own way but Katakuri had an entire arc for himself, he has put Big Mom in 2nd plan and was portrayed as a better version of Luffy, the perfect big brother. His future sight is basically broken advantage over anyone who doesnt have it unless its monstrously strong characters which he cannot hurt.

Beast Pirates may have slightly higher bounties as they may be more ruthless, seeing how a 3rd commander Jack already has a 1Bil bounty.
Blackbeard Pirates are notorious and all but I doubt their bounties will be impressive as Blackbeard himself probably has the lowest bounty among all Yonko's.
Redhair Pirates have Beckman who is supposedly incredibly smart but if he is more impressive than Katakuri remains to be seen.

Pretty sure we are bound to see fighters stronger and better than Katakuri. I wouldn't count it down like that.

Especially Blackbeard Pirates and RedHair Pirates. BlackBeard Pirates are growing and get higher bounties as time goes on before facing Strawhats. Plus what makes them more scary and hype is they are more "unknown" to the community and probably their world on what they can truly do than bounties.

RedHair Pirates no doubt would have grand bounties higher than Katakuri as Shanks used to work with Roger and other crewmembers along with his own feats would be damaging and impressive as well his crew behind them too.

We should expect this by now.

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That's just what the novel said. And apparently it's considered canon

Kaido's existance
Shank's anger
Big Mom's family

Those are the reasons the 3 yonko are terrifying.

Big Mom's crew is stronger than Kaido's but Kaido alone is strong enough to make up the difference between the 2.

So if we follow that line of reasoning, Her crew should have the higher bounties as they are far more dangerous. Even her non commanders had bounties over 500,000,000

Again, we've seen Kaido's crew. Nothing impressive so far

Think your misleading on "strong" means as pretty sure Oda wouldn't put that out there especially hyping up Kaido and his group and make zero sense their bounties could be higher than Kaido's since Katakuri is barely above Jack's. If so, King and Queen are larger than his then. Pretty sure Kaido's are stronger as again we need to see more higher ups before judging. If we know Oda's style, then we will see stronger fighters.

I think by "strong", its probably unity as a "family" to work together and be there for each other unless someone betrays or do poorly for it (Kinda like a mafia family) while Kaido's is more so associates and don't have harm hurting each other even someone doing nothing like Jack done to Sheephead instead of caring about him.

Plus it wouldn't make sense if Big Mom is stronger, why is she afraid to fight even Kaido and also him being "The Strongest Creature" in the world too. Just saying to all of this.

 

[Fox666]

That's just what the novel said. And apparently it's considered canon

Kaido's existance
Shank's anger
Big Mom's family

Those are the reasons the 3 yonko are terrifying.

Big Mom's crew is stronger than Kaido's but Kaido alone is strong enough to make up the difference between the 2.

So if we follow that line of reasoning, Her crew should have the higher bounties as they are far more dangerous. Even her non commanders had bounties over 500,000,000

Again, we've seen Kaido's crew. Nothing impressive so far

Technically it says "strongest family", not crew. (Personally I assume this means Big Mom has the strongest crew, but this is just personal opinion.)

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

lol you think oda cares about giving shining moment for shp who are not luffy or zoro

 

[nik87]

Pretty sure we are bound to see fighters stronger and better than Katakuri. I wouldn't count it down like that.
Especially Blackbeard Pirates and RedHair Pirates. BlackBeard Pirates are growing and get higher bounties as time goes on before facing Strawhats. Plus what makes them more scary and hype is they are more "unknown" to the community and probably their world on what they can truly do than bounties.
RedHair Pirates no doubt would have grand bounties higher than Katakuri as Shanks used to work with Roger and other crewmembers along with his own feats would be damaging and impressive as well his crew behind them too.
We should expect this by now.

I dont know if we will see stronger and better than Katakuri among the tier of Yonko's commanders. Future sight is pretty broken ability and I dont see how anyone among commanders will beat that, unless they have future sight as well. Future sight aside Katakuri is still insanely strong.

Among Blackbeard's commanders the best one seems to be Shilliew, he is impressive sure but cannot match Katakuri unless he has future sight himself or if his DF hides him even from observation haki. King seems impressive as well but same problem, he cant match future sight unless he has some fire-based aoe attacks to have elemental advantage over Mochi. Beckman from Redhair pirates seems to be a sniper but also has shown close combat skills, at least against fodder bandits and remains to be seen what his intellect brings into combat. If anyone among commanders, aside from Katakuri, has future sight then i would guess its Beckman. We would still have to see how he would do against Katakuri.
Considering Blackbeard himself having the lowest bounty among Yonkos its hard to believe that his commanders have bounties above Katakuri's.
Also if we take a look at gap between Cracker and Katakuri bounties, its under 200mil so if we apply same to Jack and King then King should be under 1.2Bil.
There could be specific reasons for higher bounty which get revealed, like why Kidd's bounty was higher than Luffy's but we know Katakuri didnt have specific reason for his 1Bil.

I dont expect commander bounties to go much above 1Bil because there is no next tier of opponents, the next tier is only Yonko and because we have Yonko with 2.2Bil and semi-Yonko with 1.5Bil, so if you put Zoro and Sanji at 2.5Bil what does that say about Blackbeard's 2.2Bil...

Plus it wouldn't make sense if Big Mom is stronger, why is she afraid to fight even Kaido and also him being "The Strongest Creature" in the world too. Just saying to all of this.

Not sure why you think that Big Mom is afraid to fight Kaido or any other Yonko because that was never implied, she even told Kaido to go ahead and try to kill her. No Yonko fears another Yonko, they are in a stalemate and gathering forces to have an edge over others to assure clean victory over a Pyrrhic victory would harm them and leave them open for 3rd party to slide in and take all the benefits for themselves.

 

[Pirate Queen]

I dont know if we will see stronger and better than Katakuri among the tier of Yonko's commanders. Future sight is pretty broken ability and I dont see how anyone among commanders will beat that, unless they have future sight as well. Future sight aside Katakuri is still insanely strong.

Among Blackbeard's commanders the best one seems to be Shilliew, he is impressive sure but cannot match Katakuri unless he has future sight himself or if his DF hides him even from observation haki. King seems impressive as well but same problem, he cant match future sight unless he has some fire-based aoe attacks to have elemental advantage over Mochi. Beckman from Redhair pirates seems to be a sniper but also has shown close combat skills, at least against fodder bandits and remains to be seen what his intellect brings into combat. If anyone among commanders, aside from Katakuri, has future sight then i would guess its Beckman. We would still have to see how he would do against Katakuri.
Considering Blackbeard himself having the lowest bounty among Yonkos its hard to believe that his commanders have bounties above Katakuri's.
Also if we take a look at gap between Cracker and Katakuri bounties, its under 200mil so if we apply same to Jack and King then King should be under 1.2Bil.
There could be specific reasons for higher bounty which get revealed, like why Kidd's bounty was higher than Luffy's but we know Katakuri didnt have specific reason for his 1Bil.

I dont expect commander bounties to go much above 1Bil because there is no next tier of opponents, the next tier is only Yonko and because we have Yonko with 2.2Bil and semi-Yonko with 1.5Bil, so if you put Zoro and Sanji at 2.5Bil what does that say about Blackbeard's 2.2Bil...


Not sure why you think that Big Mom is afraid to fight Kaido or any other Yonko because that was never implied, she even told Kaido to go ahead and try to kill her. No Yonko fears another Yonko, they are in a stalemate and gathering forces to have an edge over others to assure clean victory over a Pyrrhic victory would harm them and leave them open for 3rd party to slide in and take all the benefits for themselves.

damn near perfectly said @nik87

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Technically it says "strongest family", not crew. (Personally I assume this means Big Mom has the strongest crew, but this is just personal opinion.)

Thank you for the correction. Yes it does make sense.

I dont like when we get outside information from 3rd party sources besides sbs (but that's oda himself so I dont really care) but when it's considered canon we just have to accept it and include it into our analysis to make our discussions more complete

 

[King Moe]

I dont know if we will see stronger and better than Katakuri among the tier of Yonko's commanders. Future sight is pretty broken ability and I dont see how anyone among commanders will beat that, unless they have future sight as well. Future sight aside Katakuri is still insanely strong.

Among Blackbeard's commanders the best one seems to be Shilliew, he is impressive sure but cannot match Katakuri unless he has future sight himself or if his DF hides him even from observation haki. King seems impressive as well but same problem, he cant match future sight unless he has some fire-based aoe attacks to have elemental advantage over Mochi. Beckman from Redhair pirates seems to be a sniper but also has shown close combat skills, at least against fodder bandits and remains to be seen what his intellect brings into combat. If anyone among commanders, aside from Katakuri, has future sight then i would guess its Beckman. We would still have to see how he would do against Katakuri.
Considering Blackbeard himself having the lowest bounty among Yonkos its hard to believe that his commanders have bounties above Katakuri's.
Also if we take a look at gap between Cracker and Katakuri bounties, its under 200mil so if we apply same to Jack and King then King should be under 1.2Bil.
There could be specific reasons for higher bounty which get revealed, like why Kidd's bounty was higher than Luffy's but we know Katakuri didnt have specific reason for his 1Bil.

I dont expect commander bounties to go much above 1Bil because there is no next tier of opponents, the next tier is only Yonko and because we have Yonko with 2.2Bil and semi-Yonko with 1.5Bil, so if you put Zoro and Sanji at 2.5Bil what does that say about Blackbeard's 2.2Bil...


Not sure why you think that Big Mom is afraid to fight Kaido or any other Yonko because that was never implied, she even told Kaido to go ahead and try to kill her. No Yonko fears another Yonko, they are in a stalemate and gathering forces to have an edge over others to assure clean victory over a Pyrrhic victory would harm them and leave them open for 3rd party to slide in and take all the benefits for themselves.

That why I said be patient as if you think that Katakuri would be the only strongest commander out of all Yonkos, then that's doesn't make sense especially we never seen how others fight fully too.

I think you misunderstood my post. Never said atm B.B. Pirates have higher bounties than other Yonko Crew. They are still raising more on their reputation and next time we see them and fully prepared, their bounty would be much larger than majority, probably all of Yonko group. Also I already mentioned what makes them scary isn't bounty, but "unknown" which makes them stronger than most right now.

Not really afraid, but she could lose in the long run facing Kaido as if she doesn't fear consequences, why haven't challenge one head on? There is reasons to it and you said one of them.

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damn near perfectly said @nik87

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Thank you for the correction. Yes it does make sense.

I dont like when we get outside information from 3rd party sources besides sbs (but that's oda himself so I dont really care) but when it's considered canon we just have to accept it and include it into our analysis to make our discussions more complete

Not saying those sources are Canon, but they mean something else than literate like your saying. Never said I disregard them.

 

[pica86]

This predication is right after reading 957 knowing what we know about the yonko bounties and how the world government wano straw hats pirate bounties are going skyrocket
Orginal I thought after wano being involve in the battle will go up around 200-350 million beli, but know it could any around 500-600 million beli I know it seem high, but think about if oda it giving us yonko bounties during middle of wano, then this mean it to foreshadow that wano isn't a game and the world government the straw hats in a different light meaning they can't play anymore with them.
Straw hats bounties prediction:

God Ussop: 600,000,000+ (ussop doesn't seem like he going able to much intill we know if his observation haki have made a huge upgrade, yes maybe he being training outside the reader knowledge what more than likely, but the problem is how much can he do in wano
soulking Brook: 783,000,000+ (because, yes brook was MVP of WCI arc but he hasn't done much in wano but I do believe he going down one of big mom crew member because he did so much in WCI)
Know for the rest of the straw hat it could really out the ball part, but really think about this:
Cat burglar Nami: anywhere between 816,000,000 and 1,000,000,000 (because Nami have zues she become a bigger target of big mom and her crew where saw what in Totto land when brook crush the picture big mom favorite person that show that big mom we target on anybody who take her family away, but i can see people being like true but big mom doesn't have same amount feeling toward zeus sure but nami is a huge target that we can guess fended off most of big mom crew)
General Franky: 994,000,000+ (because of multiply reason one being vagepunk, so this is I believe is huge arc for Franky because he and vagepunk are created and he told Luffy that he build something to defeat Kaido, so let assume he come up with something that vagepunk himself have the idea and the world government is using the same idea to take out the warlord, another are more idea than prediction what is vagepunk see Franky idea assume that CP-0 took him to wano, so he get interest in him and decide to work with and after decide to leave the world government and do something else because he doesn't give a F about them and he seen his invention being put to use or Franky decide to kipnapped him or that it going look like. I have more idea, but forgot some)
Cotton Candy Lover Tony Tony Chopper: 1,000,000+ (just one is mix of between want and possility because I don't know why but i think if Jack will show up in wano and I can see chopper facing and that he cause habit and since I believe chopper one of strongest will out of the trio he will awaken armament haki when needed chopper is not the only one i think can awaken haki, but the most like other than Nami for different reason, but if the bounties isn't because jack i believe the world government big of threat monster point is because 80%+ chopper will and is going use it, plus all the zoan it mean like of possility battle for chopper)
Demon child Nico Robin: 1,000,000+ (solo because of ponelgyph yeah I'm sure their a battle, but the major of bounties is the ponelgyph)
Vinsmoke Sanji: 1,330,000+ (I think just one is pretty straight foward the biggest opponent is Queen with a bounty of 1,320,000 what is high enough to get Sanji to a billion because if you think about he is know as Germana 66 what are know cold blooded army, so yeah)
Ronaona Zoro: 1,600,000-1,700,000+ (first of emma if zoro wasn't compare to a command he is know in fact think if zoro and luffy work together take kadio down then and think it a better can than luffy and kid or luffy and the supernova, yes I know this a huge argurment, but honestly inless king is whole different level than Queen there know F**king way zoro going to lose, plus he could *winkle* the color of the supreme king becuase oda has being getting up to that point for some time and taking to strong opponent could be what he needed)
Straw Hat Monkey D. Luffy: 3,500,000-4,700,000+ (mostlly because of the new bounty reveal in chapter 957 because the world goverment not planned on going to wano right now they still know what happen I feel like Luffy last bounties was unreasonable, yes sure offend the big mom, but it not like it was offical, but no that big mom and kaido are in wano I really want to take off the glove to how I truely how Luffy bounty will be I can't because of so many variable that are unknown)
Remember this arc has being since before the time skip if you think going hold out on us, remember chapter 957