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Bounties: How are they Attributed?

Discussion in 'One Piece' started by Hannibal Psyche, Sep 23, 2017.

  1. Hannibal Psyche

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    Intro
    Bounties as we all know indicate how dangerous a character is deemed by the World Government by their achievements. The way in which it's understood and interpreted has brought about some confusion and I intend to clarify with a new perspective.



    My Aim
    My aim with this write up is to showcase that Bounty only gives a brief general summary of a character's success as an antagonist of the World Government, and conversely, how huge a threat a character is perceived to be by the World Government and that it doesn't reveal strength at any level beyond the binary; strong or weak without degree



    A Measure of Strength?
    Each time we get a new bounty, there's a penchant towards concluding that x-character must be as strong as that given value with the misconception it's an established gauge of strength. Eventually, we see what this character has to showcase and we end up somewhat disappointed or confused due to expectations having fallen short.

    What I'm trying to get across with this is when we look at bounty only in light of strength, we will read it completely wrong most of the time.

    What a bounty generally tells us is x-character has been involved in an incident or incidents. What the value doesn't tell (no matter how low or high) is the specifics, therefore, bounties are in essence vague ambiguous values until a history and/or a detailed account of the incident(s) is revealed and said character's role in this incidents.



    The Importance of Context to the Value?
    Take Boa Hancock and Robin, Hancock has a bounty of 80 million while Robin had a bounty of 79 million (80 million for simplification). Both characters have a bounty of 80 million, yet, if we look at bounty as a measure of strength, it'd imply Robin at the age of 8 years old is just as powerful as Boa Hancock at the age of 18.

    The why is important as this example showcases, otherwise, we'd have to assume both Robin (age 8) was equally as strong as Hancock (age 18). This evidently shows the error in such assumptions from looking at bounties. The underlying truth is it truly only indicates that these characters have been involved in incidents.

    Until we get insight into character's said crime, there's very little we can infer. Robin's incidents are Poneglyph based while Hancock's are probably pillaging based exploits.; a polarity in the reasons that earned those bounty values.



    What Bounties don't Tell Us
    1. How many years of Pirating does this individual have under their belt?
    2. How many years it's taken to obtain this bounty? Weeks, months, years, decades?
    3. How many incidents it took to obtain this bounty? 10, 20, 100?
    4. What were the nature of these incidents? Poneglyphs? Infiltration? Fights? Collateral damage? Assassinations?
    5. If they fought to obtain such bounties or whom they fought?
    6. The nature of the fights If they fought: Were the fights fair? Were underhanded tactics utilised in these fights?
    All the above points are important because they tell us a story of a Pirate's escapades and successes.



    However, the focus is on bounty & strength. Just to test the reliability of bounty in determining strength, point 6 will take precedence in the next sub-topic. For the strength to be remotely relevant, the fight details must fundamentally be considered when those assigning the bounties.
    If a bounty takes into consideration factors that determine a fair fight, then perhaps, bounty does reflect strength. Do they?



    Do Bounties take Fairness of Fights into Account?
    The answer is rhetorical to many, and understandably so. My answer to this is an increase in bounty after a fight doesn't take into account the specifics or the trivia or the how, it merely considers the results; results don't give details, results only give the conclusion.

    In real life, 2 boxers fight? Who wins? Not necessarily the stronger or better fighter. The stronger fighter might win all 11 rounds and get knocked out by the underdog in the 12th round. Results don't tell a story, they only tell the conclusion. A prime example in the Manga are Luffy's fights against Cracker and Katakuri:

    1. Did he simply overpower these opponents?
    2. Did he use under-handed tactics?
    3. Did he poison opponents?
    4. Did he catch them off-guard
    5. Did he receive help?
    Cracker's defeat takes no consideration that Luffy required Nami's help with included aid of Homies nor does it take into consideration Luffy barely defeating Katakuri, it simply takes the result. Thus for this reason, had Luffy simply poisoned his opponents to defeat them or used underhanded tactics, he'd still have equally received a raise of this magnitude.

    The bounty isn't reflecting the character's strength, the people assigning the bounties are oblivious to the fine details. What bounty increases after fights tell us is the magnitude of the feat achieved.



    Most Important Factors: Incidents and their Severity
    Note: An Incident is defined as event that is considered threatening to the World Government even if it's not against the World Government indirectly.



    While it's important to understand bounty in context, there are 2 factors that push bounty more than anything else, and that is the incident and the severity of the incident; one thing to take as a rule of thumb is there aren't many incidents that will catapult bounties to astronomical figures, therefore, it's necessary to assume the majority of bounties was attained over a series of incidents especially when it's a large figure until context says otherwise. Context is very important.

    Every time Luffy for example has had his bounty raised, it has always been after an incident that was recognised by the World Government and the severity of the incident:

    • Luffy initially gained a bounty of 30m after the incident in East blue.
    • He then gained a bounty of 100m after the incident at Alabasta.
    • He gained an increased bounty to 300m after incident at Enies Lobby & Thriller Bark.
    • Another increase to 400m after the incident from Sabaody to Marineford.
    • After Dressrosa where he had taken down the Shichibukai and disrupted the system once again shaming the World Government, bounty is raised 500m.
    • Shortly after taking on the Big Mom Pirates and leaving a dent in their territory, it's been raised to 1.5 billion.
    It took Luffy multiple incidents to garner the bounty he currently has. Contrast Luffy's recognised incidents to Boa Hancock's only 1 recognised incident (as many other bounties bar these)? It showcases how there's a positive correlation towards the presuming high value bounty assigned imply multiple incidents as opposed to strength; one still needs to take account the enormity of the incident as that also majorly influences value. Hancock roughly gained a 100m bounty in 1 escapade/incident while it took Luffy 2 incidents.

    Even when a bounty skyrockets to high values in a short time, it doesn't really change the general idea that bounties are usually gained over long periods. There aren't many things one can do to increase bounty value to astronomical heights in a short period.



    Minor Factors that Determine Bounty
    While the number of incidents and nature of incidents are the main drivers of bounty, secondary factors can marginally boost them; Kiddhad a higher bounty than Luffy simply because he had a proclivity towards sadism and a rather short temper. It still needs be recognised that it's the activities/incidents involved in that would still be the primary factor that drives bounty.



    How Pivotal Incident is in Bounty Values and Recognised Participation
    Dressrosa is a very good example of this. Law and Luffy got bounties raised to equal values of 500m for both playing leading roles while those who had somewhat secondary roles got bounties increased by 50m as their presence was known, but their roles weren't really known or not as significant.

    This is also highly showcased in the WCI bounty; Luffy's bounty goes up significantly for playing a pivotal role while Sanji who didn't fight got a bounty raise by 153m.

    Everything that takes place to raise a bounty whether it's a fight or kidnapping is categorised as an incident. Whomever has the biggest role gets the biggest boost in bounty while those who participate get a general increase despite not knowing fully what they'd done.

    Zoro and co. who didn't participate in WCI never got bounty increases while Nami may also not have gotten huge bounty increases or any at all as her presence was probably unknown, or her participation wasn't deemed significant enough for a bounty increase. It shows how bounties attribute things very simply and very generally.



    What Bounties Tell Us
    The only thing we can really know regarding bounties is this character been involved in a incident or multiple incidents to warrant the determined value, we only get a general idea of the individual as being a huge threat while from the individual's perspective, their bounty doesn't give away their strength, but their success. When a character is known and the reasons for their bounties, it narrates their story and adventures.



    Nature of Incidents & Progression
    It needs be acknowledged that the nature of the activity needs be recognised. Most Pirates tend to be known for the calamities they have caused here and there overtime. Bare in mind it only took 1 known incident for both Robin and Hancock to gain 79m+ bounties, the nature of the incidents were different.

    Someone like Robin would be far more likely to be inclined to have committed the incident of reading Poneglyph after Poneglypgh, but it would require the World Government being actively aware. The Government are not aware of all locations of Poneglyph, therefore, it's difficult to increase bounty without being able to track her activities.

    The generic Pirate's escapades would be similar to that of Eustass Kidd, someone who pillages and kills. This contrasts vastly to the sort of crimes Robin would commit, therefore, if Robin had a similar bounty to Kidd, it wouldn't reflect strength, it would mostly just indicate she's dangerous to the World Government's eyes, but in what way is she dangerous? We wouldn't even know without an enumeration of the incident to know their inherent nature.



    Relevance of Time with Bounty
    There aren't many things a Pirate can do to skyrocket their bounty value in a short time. Bounties tend to go up incrementally and over time, therefore, as a rule of thumb (until there's context or reason to deviate), people with huge bounties should be assumed to be relatively old and there will still be exceptions to this rules which is something that makes the Supernova pretty special or Worst Generation special.

    • Katakuri: - Age: 48 Years old - Bounty: 1 Billion - Years Active: Maybe 30 Years - Bounty Average: 33m/Year
    • Luffy (Pre-WCI): - Age: 19 Years old - Bounty: 500 Million - Years Active: 3 years - Bounty Average: 167m/Year
    • Ace: - Age: 20 Years old Bounty: 550 million - Years Active: 3 Years- Bounty Average: 183m/Year
    Most people will only be able to get their bounty up to high levels only over time. In that sense, these bounties are not really low even when compared against those with significantly high bounties given the time they've had to increase their values. The above values shared by Luffy and Ace (and the Supernova) are pretty special.

    Even a Pirate with 200m could possibly defeat a Pirate with 600m as was the case between Urouge and Snack. Bounty isn't a measure of strength, just a measure of success, but we can assume anyone with a bounty over 100m must be pretty strong and should be taken seriously.



    Conclusion
    A bounty is just a summary of the level of threat a character posses at a superficial level and a reflection of the character's success, but until we get a context regarding the character's background and history, it's impossible to truly grasp bounties and what they mean in regard to a character. it requires knowing the number of incidents involved in, the nature of these incidents and the magnitude to understand them.

    This is why trying to determine strength via bounty will always fall short and give the impression that there's something wrong with certain values, it never really represented strength. A character of relatively low bounty in essence could be stronger than someone of higher bounty.

    One has to ask where does strength come into this? It hardly does, it's difficult to deduce any level of strength from bounty as it doesn't really tell us given that even after fights, bounties will only go up based on the result regardless of how it was achieved. At the very best, it can indicate that a Pirate is hard-boiled, seasoned, smart and experienced, but it wouldn't indicate how strong one is even below the binary level - we can only really assume the character is strong, but we will never know exactly how strong.

    Aim
    Bounties as we all know indicate how dangerous a character is deemed by the World Government at a fundamental level. It however can be mistaken to reflect strength of a character. While bounty can reflect strength in a rather vague and indirect way, I think the key-point is it showcases that a character is a threat to the World Government, but even more than that as is my aim with this write up, it more than anything else indicates said character has committed a sizeable amount of crimes to the World Government's knowledge.



    A Measure of Strength?
    Each time we get a new bounty, there's a penchant towards concluding that x-character must be absurdly strong. Eventually, we see what this character has to showcase and we end up somewhat disappointed due to expectations having fallen short of what is assumed or surprised. What I'm trying to get across with this is when we look at bounty only in light of strength, we will read it completely wrong. What a bounty first and foremost tells us is x-character is dangerous. What the value doesn't tell (no matter how low or high) is the specifics, therefore, bounties are in essence vague values until a history or list of accomplishments is detailed in order to give the context to the bounty.



    The Importance of Why?
    Take Boa Hancock and Robin, Hancock has a bounty of 80 million while Robin has a bounty of 79 million (80 million for simplification). Both characters have a bounty of 80 million, yet, if we look at bounty as a measure of strength, it'd imply Robin at the age of 8 years old is just as powerful as Boa Hancock at the age of 18. The reality is the bounty doesn't tell us anything regarding character strength, it only tells us this character committed a crime or multiple crimes that warranted that value. What should also be looked at is how many crimes were needed to attribute that value?



    Most Important Factors that Determine Bounty
    Note: A crime is defined anything that stands to show defiance against the World Government whether directly or indirectly.



    While it's important to understand bounty in context, there are 2 factors that push bounty more than anything else, and that is number of crimes it took to gain x-bounty and the seriousness of crime. Every time Luffy for example has had his bounty raised, it has always been after a crime that was recognised by the World Government and the gravity of the crime:

    • Luffy initially gained a bounty of 30m after his crimes in East blue.
    • He then gained a bounty of 100m after his crimes at Alabasta.
    • He gained an increased bounty to 300m after crimes at Enies Lobby & Thriller Bark.
    • Another increase to 400m after his crimes from Sabaody to Marineford.
    • And to date, 500m after his crimes at Dressrosa.
    It took Luffy multiple crimes to garner the bounty he currently has. Contrast Luffy's recognised crimes to Boa Hancock's only 1 recognised crime? It showcases how there's a strong correlation towards the number of crimes and the total value bounty assigned as opposed to strength; one still needs to take account the enormity of the crime as that also majorly influences value.

    Dragon & Whitebeard
    Whitebeard who is deemed the strongest man isn't deemed the most wanted man in the world, Dragon (who isn't the strongest man in the world) is recognised as the most wanted man; if one reads bounty as a measure of power, this is a contradiction.

    However, when one understands bounty as relating more to number of crimes, nature of the crimes and the magnitude, it becomes rather understandable why bounty values can be misleading if one approaches it as a explicit indicator of strength. Whitebeard became somewhat inactive after Roger died which is why one stated how he's not been in the news as of late while someone like Dragon is a constant antagonist against the World Government and likely makes the news more often; this is majorly hinted as he was the focus of the last reverie.

    It makes it clear that crimes and their significance are the main accelerators of bounty while strength, motivations and many other factors (while they do play a role) are not so much the driving forces of bounty.

    Just look at how Urouge has the lowest bounty amongst the Supernova bar Luffy, and is the only one who was strong enough to defeat an Emperor’s commander.



    Minor Factors that Determine Bounty
    While the number of crimes and nature of crimes is the main driver of bounty, secondary factors can marginally boost them; Kidd had a higher bounty than Luffy simply because he had a proclivity towards sadism and a rather short temper. It still needs be recognised that it's his activity that would still be the primary factor that drives bounty.



    Nature of Crime & Progression
    It needs be acknowledged that the nature of the activity needs be recognised. Most Pirates tend to be known for the calamities they have caused here and there overtime. Bare in mind it only took 1 crime for both Robin and Hancock to gain 79m+ bounties, the nature of the crimes were different.

    Someone like Robin would be far more likely to be inclined to have committed the crime of reading Poneglyph after Poneglypgh, but it would require the World Government being actively aware. The Government are not aware of all locations of Poneglyph, therefore, it's difficult to increase bounty without being able to track her activities.

    The generic Pirate's crime would be similar to that of Eustass Kidd, someone who pillages and kills. This contrasts vastly to the sort of crimes Robin would commit, therefore, if Robin had a similar bounty to Kidd, it wouldn't reflect strength, it would mostly just indicate she's dangerous to the World Government's eyes, but in what way is she dangerous? We wouldn't even know without an enumeration of the crimes to know their inherent nature. One has to ask where does strength come into this? It hardly does, it's difficult to deduce any level of strength from bounty as it doesn't really give such a value. At the very best, it can indicate that a Pirate is hard-boiled, seasoned, and experienced, but it wouldn't indicate how strong one is; a binary indicator of strength, but no gauge of how strong.

    The point being made is that bounties shouldn't and can't be generalised until we know more about the character's activites and nature of their activities. Bounty will be determined by various factors, but simply put, it won't give a measure of strength, but a measure of how active character must have been.



    Conclusion
    A bounty is just a summary of the level of threat a character posses at a superficial level, but until we get a context regarding the character's background and history, it's impossible to truly grasp bounties and what they mean in regard to a character. it requires knowing the number of crimes committed, the nature of it and the seriousness of the crime. This is why trying to solely determine strength via bounty will always fall short and give the impression that there's something wrong the reality is, it never really represented strength at all. A character of relatively low bounty in essence could be stronger than someone of higher bounty.
    Main changes from the pre-WCI to the current analysis of bounty is the broadening of what incites bounty by the term "crime" up-scaling to the term "incident". The difference is a crime in this context is any provocative or challenging action against a policing (World Government), however with the fact bounties can be raised regardless of World Government interaction, the better term would be "incident" meaning any provocative or challenging action against any faction even without relation to the World Government. The ultimate purpose of bounty is after-all to quantify how threatening an individual is based on any action they've taken.
     
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    Hancock's bounty has been frozen since she joined Shichibukai, no matter what she did, her bounty won't increase except she resign or be revoked.
    For 20 years of running, all Robin did was just hiding behind crime orgazination or pirate crews, Those organizations or crews were being destroyed by WG. The crimes she had made when she was with them, it weren't big enough to raise her bounty. except Crocodile's case
     
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    Cracker - 860mil bounty.
    Smoothie - 932mil bounty.
    Katakuri - 1.057mil bounty.

    What are the crimes they committed?
    Have they ever been said?
    Will they ever be said?
    Why are their bounties not the same if it is not the strength that they represent?

    Bounties are measurement of Strength, exceptions excluded (Robin, Dragon, ...). Before you take bounties as something presented from WG, it is an information from Oda firstly, to us, the audience, to let us know how strong the characters are.
     
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    Hancock's first bounty = 80million berries 16 years old
    Robin's first bounty = 79million berries 8 years old

    Robin's bounty stayed the same for 20years

    @Hannibal Psyche is saying that both got similar bounty initially, but their strength is world's apart. Therefore, bounty is not equal to strength.
     
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    The only crimes Robin committed were related to bounties, they gave her a bounty for having the ability to study the Poneglyph, a 79m bounty for a first offence is quite huge. Luffy got a 30m bounty for his first offence, and he actually fought. Different crimes have different values, but the likelihood of anyone getting an initial bounty of like 500 is highly highly unlike, bounties are not initially great, but with time, they grow as more crimes that are known of are committed.

    Also, being that Robin's interest lays solely in Poneglyph, the Government would need to know that Robin had read a Poneglyph in order for her bounty to have increased during those 20 years. The only thing they knew for the past 20 years was her ability to read, but being that even the WG are not aware of the locations of Poneglyphs in general, it's difficult for her bounty to increase. In other words, there's no known crime or basis for which to increase her bounty.

    The only reason her bounty now increases is because as a SH Pirate, she's actively involved in what would be considered crime, and they're known. Without a crime, there's no bounty.
     
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    1. Sabo's bounty is below Perespero
    2. Urouge's bounty is below Usopp and Robin
    3. Luffy and Law have the same bounty and they're both below Perespero
    4. Pre-time skip Luffy and Dressrosa arc Luffy had the same bounty (400 million beri). Pre-time skip Luffy couldn't take on a Pacifista, post time skip Luffy could one shot a pacifista.
    5. Sanji's bounty is below Usopp
    6. Chopper is below every fodder pirate in the world
    7. Monkey D Dragon was the most wanted criminal even during the time Whitebeard was alive.
    I could go on forever....... I don't know why this is even a discussion. Bounty has nothing to do with power levels.

    Saying that Bounty represents strength is like saying that the net worth of a person shows how talented the person is.
     
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    @Enima What you lined up are all exceptions, there are many indeed but the amount of One Piece characters is huge, so its not a surprise to have many exceptions.
    1. Sabo is a revolutionary, they operate hidden from the eyes of the world and dont get attention if they can avoid it. Other than obstructing an admiral in doing his job he didnt show much and yet he got a whopping 600mil bounty.
    2. Urogue is Oda's underdog. By now its not a surprise that he was "weakest" supernova. Even on Sabaody he showed more than all other supernovas, he was only one to defeat Yonkos commander, without going off screen to train for 2 years. Still, i bet, his bounty will not increase, at least not much. Except for BMP and Nami no one else knows that he defeated a commander, nor do they know that he is still alive so if no one knows of his feat bounty wont increase either, most likely, at least not for defeating a commander, which should give him at least a bounty above 500mil.
    3. Luffy and Law got the bounty of 500mil which seems more than fair for defeating a Shichibukai. After they defeat Perospero they will get appropriate bounty (theoretically, they wont fight Perospero). Luffy is protagonist, his bounty increases when he defeats stronger opponents. After WCI we can expect a close to 1 Billion bounty for Luffy if it gets known that he defeated 2 commanders of BM (if he defeats Katakuri).
    4. After time skip he didnt show much until the defeat of Doflamingo, there was no really a reason to increase the bounty.
    5. There is no reason for Sanjis bounty to be high, he barely did anything. If i remember right only serious fight justifying his bounty was against Jabra. Ussops bounty, as we all know, is for entertaining purposes, comical detail which we are supposed to laugh at and to be amused by.
    6. Another comical purpose bounty. Dont you just love the panels with his reactions to his bounty?
    7.Like all other, an exception. It is not based on his power even tho we dont know how strong Dragon is, which is irrelevant since his bounty is not based on his power.

    Bounties are information from Oda to us to let us know what power we can expect from the characters. We will never know details for every bounty holder, what they did to get it so it can simply represent the power level which we can expect from that character. There is a proof that it is about power levels. I will give you all a hint. Jaya :teach
     
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    @nik87 So you kinda agree with me?

    You already explained it yourself. None of the pirates got an Increase in bounty due to their strength. Their bounty increases because of their actions. If Luffy decided not to beat Doflamingo then his bounty wouldn't have increased, If Luffy decided to kill the citizens along with Doflamingo then his bounty would've skyrocketed. In both Instances his strength was the same, It was his actions that decided his bounty.
     
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    @Enima I would not say that i agree. You think bounties dont represent strength. I think they do, in most cases, especially when it come to New world high bounties, with exceptions of course. Due to a nature how bounties work, they cant be increased/given until you prove you deserve it/are strong enough to have it.
    We, as audience, get that information before than the bounty shows it. Luffy first defeats an opponent and then the bounty comes as confirmation that he is strong enough to beat such opponent.

    Sure there are other factors which contribute to bounty, especially when it comes to Luffy but i think it is mainly about strength. If he defeats a man strong enough to have a bounty above 1 Billion then i expect Luffy's bounty to raise to 1 Billion as well, because he was strong enough to defeat a 1 Billion bounty strong opponent, not for any other reason. Every increase in Luffy's bounty was due to proof of his strength.
     
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    The bounties are not decided by the world government or the Marines but by Oda himself. Do not even quote the cases of Chopper or Usopp where he trolled us and had fun of this system. Even just look how much he trolled Sanji with his bounty for years.

    So I rather say, what is Oda trying to tell us when he gives a bounty? Clearly there are different cases and putting Chopper, Robin or Perospero on the same line will not give us any indication. In many many situations, Oda gave us a bounty to hint / highlight the strength of a character and his dangerousness without developping situations or the character in detail.

    So no need to try to rank the characters according to their bounty thinking it is their strength. And for Big Mom crew, Katakuri is the only one above the 1 Billion threshold, so good chances he was the strongest in the crew. Or put into your words, he did something huge and strength played a huge role in that.
     
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    Bounties aren't just about strength, but the danger they possess. Kidd's bounty was higher than Luffy's not because he was stronger, but because he caused more damage and hurt more people than Luffy did. It's clear that strength alone doesn't determine bounty, and that had the World Government realized who Luffy's dad was, he'd have likely started with higher bounty than 30 million berries. It's actually information from Oda to tell us how dangerous the characters are, as well, like Kidd being destructive. Luffy can be weaker than a lot of people and still have a higher bounty just because he was Ace's brother, Dragon's son, has the will of D, and punched a Tenryuubito.

    Robin's bounty was high at a young age because her knowledge made her immensely dangerous to the world, if not to the World Government. Dragon's is probably one of the highest because he's seeking to topple the World Government even though he's also trying to liberate countries from horrible rulers.
     
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    Your point makes sense If the difference between the bounties is huge. We can pretty much guarantee that a person with a 1 billion beri bounty is stronger than a person with a 50 million bounty. But most of the time it's not like that. Sabo is pretty much an admiral level (he stream rolled Burgess) while Perespero would get his ass kicked by Sanji, but look at their bounties. Even Luffy's bounties were all over the place. His pre-time skip bounty was way too high, his current bounty is too low. Bounty and strength are correlated but it's impossible to figure out what percentage of a persons bounty is based on his strength.
     
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    Well, Perospero did brag about his bounty, as if it was indeed a big deal. He was like: "oh, btw, you know what my bounty is? It's 700 million." Implying that he is no joke strength wise. I doubt that his intention was to convey that he possess a threat to the World Government or anything along the lines (even if he in fact does).

    Indeed, the bounty concept in it's broad sense is Oda's way to tell his readers how strong X person is. But of course, from the standpoint of One Piece verse it is impossible to give bounties according to the strength of the perpetrator. Because it's difficult to read someone's combat prowess without observing that individual in a real battle.

    Also, if I recall correctly, Luffy & Co didn't commit crimes in Alabasta, contrarily they saved the country. But the Marines gave credit to Smoker in order to avoid inconveniences. So Luffy's only "crime" was that he defeated Crocodile, which allowed the ~whoever does the bounty calculations~ to make the judgement that Luffy must be strong, and therefore, as a pirate, of course he is a threat to the Government. Correct me if I'm wrong.

    Also, Perospero might very well be worthy of his high bounty. Because, that huge explosion from Pedro even damaged Big Mom herself. It's just that he is weak against fire, but apart from that he displayed some awesome durability and amazing proficiency in using his ability.
     
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    @M3J Just like my first reply in this thread. What is the difference in danger the 3 commanders possess? That is, if you think its danger that they represent. All 3 are the commanders of the Yonko, all 3 represent the same danger. Details are not given for anything else to be represented by that gap other than power levels.

    This whole discussion started because of 3 commanders and how we knew Katakuri was strongest and now everyone is taking Robins bounty as example for power level :teehee Those are exceptions, like i already said. Exceptions are characters which bounty has nothing to do with their strength or at least major part of bounty is based on something else than strength. Exceptions are as well almost all members of SHs. It is about the power levels of the character which they meet or fight. Simply an information what power level characters have.
    When it comes to Kidd's old bounty, yes he had extra amount added to it due involving innocent but if you think that part makes the major amount of his bounty then you are wrong.

    @Enima Huge difference doesnt make sense to my point. You have rather small difference between the 3 commanders. Difference is there to tell their power levels apart. All fighter character's bounties are about their power levels and all 3 commanders are fighters. There is nothing else there to measure their bounty.
    I think you are heavily overestimating Sabo and heavily underestimating Perospero.
     
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    Defeating a Shichibukai is a crime. Shichibukai are allies of the WG. They're needed to maintain balance to deter people from becoming Pirates and fight against the Yonko. How is that not a crime especially when he essentially ruined the image of the WG?

    Robin gained a bounty of 79 million, nothing to do with strength, but for simply committing a crime.

    If bounty is based on strength, then how is Urouge with 108m as strong as Luffy with a 300m bounty? There's no relation to strength for the most part.

    Only thing a bounty will tell you is:
    1. This person has committed quite a lot of crimes.
    2. It'll tell you this person is experienced and likely to be a veteran, but definitely won't tell you how strong x character is.
    No one just gets a 500m bounty like that, it's incremental.
     
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    Of course you have to commit crimes, that's a given. But in order to do so continuously/not be captured/defeated by the Marines/Bounty Hunters bounty holder's strength should normally correspond with his/her bounty. Even Robin had to acquire a Devil Fruit at some point in time, in order to become a reasonably capable fighter. Her intellect along with the Devil Fruit ability, allowed her to maintain the [WANTED] status. Also, she defeated Pell with ease, who was supposedly the strongest warrior in Alabasta...

    And I didn't say that bounties are necessarily to represent one's strength, but rather that it's Oda's way to hype up someone's strength. It's an element of writing a story, they teach you that in manga colleges in Japan. It's quite typical for Shonen. Say, in Toriko they had Capture Levels, in Naruto they had the D/C/B/A/S ranking system.
     
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    Bounties obviously don't equal power levels. Their power level is a factor though. Just because there are exceptions or anomalies that doesn't disprove or prove that possibility. Imho bounties are a rough guideline but they're not gospel when it comes to power levels... and they are hype tools.

    On that note, we've got 2 guys who are 1 Billion or more now, both Commanders. You'd think Ace is in their ballpark power wise, since he was 2nd commander of WB pirates, but his bounty was 550 million. And he had the blood of the heinous Roger flowing through his veins. This makes me think of 2 things...
    1. Oda is using bounties to hype post timeskip villains by jacking up the bounties comapred to preskip.
    2. The Marines/WG have decided to increase the bounties since Marineford. This could be a part of Akainu's aggressive strategy.
     
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    Has nothing to do with strength. It's the crimes committed that warrant a bounty.

    Like I said, Urouge has a bounty of 108m when Luffy had a 300m bounty, and yet, they were roughly same strength in the sense that at this point in time, they were strong enough to fight Pacifista.

    Luffy could never have taken on a Pacifista when he had a 100m bounty when he didn't have Gear 2nd or 3rd developed.

    Strength is also not needed to be evasive, just being smart. Robin always had a Devil fruit too. She's had it since she was 8 or earlier.

    She maintained a bounty of 79m for 20 years because she hadn't done anything significant. If that reflected strength, her bounty should at least have gone up in those 20 years, it didn't.
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    Bounty won't go up because of strength, but only with crimes.

    Ace had been a Pirate for how long, 3 years? Had he more time, who knows if it'd have reached a billion. Katakuri and Jack are not young. If we for the sake of it hypothesise Katakuri was born when Big Mom 30 meaning he'd be 38 years and has been a Pirate since the age of 20, he's had 18 years of being a Pirate to get a bounty of 1 billion. It takes time to gather a bounty because it takes a lot of crimes to commit to get up to that point. Unlikely the WG saw Katakuri once and just determined 1 billion bounty.

    Ace's background would play a minimal role, for the most part it's the crimes that he commits that would play the key role in determining bounty.
     
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    I would say: Feats, strength, fame and personality.

    And from what Jinbe said in the recent chapter. Pirates with bounties reaching the billion indicate that they are among the strongest in the NW. Otherwise he would have not highlighted the fact that Katakuri's bounty is above 1 billion for his fight.
     
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    I wonder what crimes Luffy committed to get his first bounty? He made his name known and his strength acknowledged by defeating 17mil and 20mil strong people. I wonder what crime it was to defeat those two pirates?
    I also wonder how he always got bounty higher than the bounty of the person he defeated?
    I wonder why Bellamy was confident he could take on 30mil strong guy and almost sh*t his pants when he for a second believed that same guy was 100mil strong? If bounty doesnt equal strength then he had 0 reasons to get scared and to doubt his win.
    I wonder what bounties represent, other than power levels, for all the characters which have no details (crimes committed and whatever you think its based on)?
    I wonder if power level bounties discussion will revolve around Robin, Chopper, Ussop and similar exceptions?
     
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