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Seeing that there is no discussion tread about Hak I decided to make one so we can all discuss Son Hak (the Thunder Beast).
Hak is not someone who is a deep thinker, in fact he acts more than he thinks. When he gets down to thinking, poor guy, he gets really sad/angry. Especially about Soo-Won.I think that the problem with Hak is that we mostly got his relationship with Yona. If someone is not invested in this couple that there is basically next to nothing to like about Hak. Or rather it used to be like this, it is better now.
I suppose that it is something that could have been better balanced if, for example, his friendship with Su-won was given more coverage and/or if he actually expressed some opinions on the country’s state. I mean he could acknowledge that Su-won is doing well and still condemn Su-won’s way of obtaining the throne and hate Su-won for what he did. It would even fit, especially since he does not know that Su-won had a personal grudge against Il as Yona has never told him that.
Also, as I said somewhere else in this forum, I think it would be interesting if he and Yona admitted that they were building castles in the sky. Everything indicates that instead of paying attention to reality they were daydreaming about a beautiful future happiness with Su-won while ignoring signals that it may never happen\building it on no solid grounds and it ended as it often ends, with a brutal reality check.
Come to think of it Hak and Yona remind me of the duellists from Utena.
Yeah, as I said, his characterization got better in the recent chapters.Hak is still emotional about Soo-Won and is not magnanimous like Yona to easily move on from that night and acknowledge Soo-Won as a king. However, he is still trying to draw inspiration from Yona and Jaeha and try to think about his country first before his own needs.
Yes, I do like interesting characters too that don't have to be totally good. For example, the main lead in Gone Girl. Even Nana and Ren in Nana, for that matter, had tonnes of flaws but I loved them. Takumi is a different story lol. But I also hated Nobu - I don't know why people liked him.As for Hak and Yona, I think such realization can only make them good in the long run. Realizing it means that the person has bigger chances of not repeating the mistake again and being saved from future brutal wake ups to reality.
Well, true I have never liked the dragons much. Maybe Je-ha when he appeared, but after the Awa arc I didn’t find him so interesting. Zeno is ok, but it is rather cliché for an immortal person to want to die, so I don’t find him interesting either.
I also agree that Hak has rather likeable traits and is presented as a likeable person. The problem is I don’t care about characters being likeable that much, though I certainly don’t mind if they are likeable. I want characters to be interesting first and foremost, which means I don’t mind if they are flawed, in fact being flawed usually makes them more interesting. This is also why I don’t like cartoonish characters. The ones that are good, righteous and flawless and the ones that are evil for the sake of being evil. This is also why I like characters like Takumi from Nana or Shigure from Fruits Basket. They are not paragons of virtue, but they sure are interesting and make the stories they are in interesting.
Yeah, as I said, his characterization got better in the recent chapters.
Don't agree with this, actually it's often tougher to get over a friendship than someone you once "loved" - and Yona basically had an infatutuation with Soo-Won and did not truly love him in my opinion. He was just a childhood crush for her. She now truly loves Hak, and now knows what love actually is.another thing that bothers me.. is how yona is able to handle soo won but he cant.. it just seems like the author is trying too hard.. i mean.. it may sound mean.. but its the hardest for the person who used to love to sort out their feelings.. that person is yona.. to me.. hak shouldn't harbour stronger feelings for soo won than yona..
while i dont agree with the infatuation.. since an infatuation cant last for years n not develop into love.. when theres no physical relation either..Don't agree with this, actually it's often tougher to get over a friendship than someone you once "loved" - and Yona basically had an infatutuation with Soo-Won and did not truly love him in my opinion. He was just a childhood crush for her. She now truly loves Hak, and now knows what love actually is.
In fact, out of the three, Hak's emotions and resentment seem to be the most realistic, whereas Yona is being quite holier than thou when forgiving Soo-Won and Soo-Won is letting the other two go all the time. So I don't think Kusa is trying to hard, but just being more realistic keeping Hak's strong headed nature in mind.
It's quite obvious from the manga that she is in love with Hak and she was almost about to confess too but Hak interrupted her.while i dont agree with the infatuation.. since an infatuation cant last for years n not develop into love.. when theres no physical relation either..
i think if thats a childhood crush.. then same goes for hak.. since she is still 16.. but i think this will anger most people if i said that lol!
i think its been hinted many times that soo won was her first love..
also.. i dont agree with friendship being harder to get over a broken heart.. in fact.. it doesnt even compare.. i know its hard to accept.. but its the truth.. i have experience with both.. n seen people around me experiencing it as well.. n i have to completely disagree on this point.. both are important.. but the difference in depth is unimaginable..
i dont think its realistic at all.. but it does give more drama.. n not turn it into a love triangle.. whivh would be realistic but would look bad..
also.. she isnt sure how much she likes hak.. as she said probably.. so i dont think she kbows she truly loves hak yet.. also.. the way they act seems more like childish crush compared to soo won n yona..
soo won was like a mother figure to yona.. its actually impossible for it to be just infatuation.. and its hard to beloeve a 7 year old child will have infatuation like that.. it seemed more like yona found a family(filler for her mothers absense) in soo won..
Don't agree with this, actually it's often tougher to get over a friendship than someone you once "loved" - and Yona basically had an infatutuation with Soo-Won and did not truly love him in my opinion. He was just a childhood crush for her. She now truly loves Hak, and now knows what love actually is.
In fact, out of the three, Hak's emotions and resentment seem to be the most realistic, whereas Yona is being quite holier than thou when forgiving Soo-Won and Soo-Won is letting the other two go all the time. So I don't think Kusa is trying to hard, but just being more realistic keeping Hak's strong headed nature in mind.
What is important is the meaning of the bond. Was Soo Won important for Yona? Sure.It's quite obvious from the manga that she is in love with Hak and she was almost about to confess too but Hak interrupted her.
Also, it is possible to have an infatuation with someone for years on end, because she never truly knew Soo-Won, she liked the idea of Soo-Won but that is not love, that is merely infatuation or a crush. Love is when you know someone's bad and good side both, and still accept them for who they are. Yona was not able to do this.
About friendship and love...well let's just agree to disagree...because whereas a heartbreak or ex-boyrfriend will just be a part of the past and you can replace that person with a new lover, replacing friends is just so much more difficult. And by the way, I have also gone through both, and I feel friendship is more important that loving someone.
Yes I don't deny it, though the @lindananahayashida was comparing Hak and Yona's bond with Soo-Won, saying Yona should have been far more devastated than Hak...so that's where I didn't agree.What is important is the meaning of the bond. Was Soo Won important for Yona? Sure.
His kindness helped her to get over the loss of her mother, while her father was so occupied with his own loss, that he could not see his own daughter and her pain.
This child barely older than Yona kept her company, was patient and kind to her.
She knew him for years. It doesn t matter if it was true love or not. Soo Won still means a lot for her. She was not fully able to hate him or hurt him.
That was because she loved him. As a brother, cousine or love interest. That is really not that important here.
Matter of factly...it was not just an infatuation...because the romantic issue is not all that defines their relationship. He is still the person that cared for her in the past. He is still her cousine.
He is still the only family Yona has left ( if we don t let the HHB count here).
It's quite obvious from the manga that she is in love with Hak and she was almost about to confess too but Hak interrupted her.
Also, it is possible to have an infatuation with someone for years on end, because she never truly knew Soo-Won, she liked the idea of Soo-Won but that is not love, that is merely infatuation or a crush. Love is when you know someone's bad and good side both, and still accept them for who they are. Yona was not able to do this.
About friendship and love...well let's just agree to disagree...because whereas a heartbreak or ex-boyrfriend will just be a part of the past and you can replace that person with a new lover, replacing friends is just so much more difficult. And by the way, I have also gone through both, and I feel friendship is more important that loving someone.
Yona moved on in a matter of months to Hak, while Hak still can't forget the betrayal of his friend. So that is my point. You can find a new love, but a real friend is hard to find. Anyway, better to agree to disagree.i think its very easy to replace a friend.. but a love isnt as easy to replace.. or else people would have more lover than friends.. in fact most love develops from friendship.. that itself proves that love is actually one step further than friendship..
As I said somewhere above, I have seen development in the form of him caring more for the dragons and Yoon from just Yona...he let more people in. Plus, he also wants to know how to let go of his hatred for Soo-Won for the sake of his country. More development would not hurt though.in any case.. id really like it if hak gets some actual development.. his character seems very limited even after 150+ chapters.. it would be better if he keeps in touch with wind tribe more.. n actually involves here n there with the tribes matters.. n helps han-dae grow.. it would be a nice way to let us see how muvh hak knows about political stuff n all..
Yona moved on in a matter of months to Hak, while Hak still can't forget the betrayal of his friend. So that is my point. You can find a new love, but a real friend is hard to find. Anyway, better to agree to disagree.
As I said somewhere above, I have seen development in the form of him caring more for the dragons and Yoon from just Yona...he let more people in. Plus, he also wants to know how to let go of his hatred for Soo-Won for the sake of his country. More development would not hurt though.
First off, I believe another user said it best above, it is easier to replace a childish crush or even a past lover then a best friend or someone you're extremely close to.thats the point.. its poor overused plot for me.. yona getting over soo won makes sense.. but hak had to let it go long before.. n the only thing to justify his anger.. should be soo won hurt the girl he loved.. n not that won broke their friendship.. thats the only logical point.. which seems to be true here n there.. i dont really mind to disagree tho..
his character is very limited like i said before.. his growth is as little as yoon tbh.. even among the groups.. jae-ha has grown the most.. zeno has better background story than anyone else.. yona is growing.. but kija hak yoon n shin-ahs growth seems like it stopped.. its also kind of annoying that a side character like lily has better growth than hak n two of the dragons..
What i can say about hak is he really really loves soo won. For me, he can't accept that soo won may betray him i mean he believes soo won damn much and willing to die for him. When he talked with jeaha that he can't let go his feeling ( shit i don't remember what he said but something like that ) and when he cried (crying) shit poor hak. HE REALLY LOVES SOO WON AND ME TOO (crying again)
Seeing that there is no discussion tread about Hak I decided to make one so we can all discuss Son Hak (the Thunder Beast).