Discussion NNT versus thread

[Seven777]

Ban is beyond commandments now, he'd shrug it off as easily as King shrugged off Silence

 

[BurlapJack]

Ban is beyond commandments now, he'd shrug it off as easily as King shrugged off Silence

It's hax, not AP,

Plus he is mortal now and will age to dust if he kills even bugs around him

 

[Master of the Sun]

Ludo vs King

 

[Samael Morningstar]

Ludo vs King

Ludo his speech would be the massive advantage for him

 

[Master of the Sun]

Ludo his speech would be the massive advantage for him

So Ludo talks him to death?

 

[Samael Morningstar]

So Ludo talks him to death?

Not death but definitely till submission another thing I forgot is ludo's insane healing

 

[Arjuna]

King easily wins.

 

[Shadowlord123]

I agree, King has overall better feats. He was able to overwhelm the Sinner with just one spirit spear out of the four he can summon. His versatility is also much higher. What Ludo has on his side is speed and durability + his regeneration makes him hard to kill. King with mid difficulty. High at worst.

 

[Estarossa173]

Ludo vs King

I think Ludociel wins (or at least I hope so).

 

[OtakuFreak]

Ludoshel would win against King, albeit being difficult. Why? Well, not only is Ludoshel a competent fighter both physically & magically, but he's been given the ''Flash'' grace from the Supreme Deity which should theoretically allow him to out-speed Chastiefol & King very easily regardless of the configuration.

Ludoshel has superior healing as well, unlike King whom has to stay inside a giant bubble which heals at a relatively slow rate.

Ludoshel mid-high difficulty.

 

[HereNThere]

Ludo vs King

I'm obviously going to say King, but truth be told, there isn't enough info to go on.

King stomped 4C Mael, but was then immediately limited to a single spear and drained of nearly all of his energy while fighting from a distance. We don't know where his upper limit actually lies, only that he's strong enough to toy around with someone who is a bit over 200k. The only other decent feat is that he made Sinner retreat from an attack with said single spear.

Ludociel's full potential had him easily overwhelming Sinner, but he was then pushed back when Climax came into effect, so we don't know where his upper limit lies either.

I also don't see King being that outclassed by the speed of "Flash".

 

[Master of the Sun]

Mael vs King
Ban vs King
Ban vs Zeldris, Sinner, Ludo, pre noon Mael
The One Escanor vs Ban
The One Mael vs Ban
Post noon Mael vs Ludo
Zeldris vs Sinner
Zeldris vs King
Zeldris vs Ludo
Sinner vs Ludo
Sinner vs King
Meliodas vs 100% DK

 

[Gallon]

Mael vs King
Ban vs King
Ban vs Zeldris, Sinner, Ludo, pre noon Mael
The One Escanor vs Ban
The One Mael vs Ban
Post noon Mael vs Ludo
Zeldris vs Sinner
Zeldris vs King
Zeldris vs Ludo
Sinner vs Ludo
Sinner vs King
Meliodas vs 100% DK

- King due to versatility.
- Ban.
- Ban, because Snatch.
- Likely Ban.
- Likely Ban... dunno.
- Probably Mael.
- Does Zel have God? If yes, he wins. If not, he loses.
- King.
- Same as with the Sinner against Zel.
- Probably Ludo at full power, considering Mael one-shot the Sinner.
- King.
- The DK should be stronger in brute power, but that original magic of Meliodas'... dunno.

 

[kkck]

- King due to versatility.
- Ban.
- Ban, because Snatch.
- Likely Ban.
- Likely Ban... dunno.
- Probably Mael.
- Does Zel have God? If yes, he wins. If not, he loses.
- King.
- Same as with the Sinner against Zel.
- Probably Ludo at full power, considering Mael one-shot the Sinner.
- King.
- The DK should be stronger in brute power, but that original magic of Meliodas'... dunno.

For me ban vs king is a bit of a tossup. King defeated 4 commandment mael with ease. And handled the sinner, a demon whom we have every reason to believe would clock well above 300k due to his halves, in a situation which was unfavorable to king to put it mildly. With there being no real cap to either's power I am not comfortable saying ban would win at least.

I'd also guess either The one would win against ban. At least in terms of raw power but specially mael. Mael presumably would be able to use his power well beyond what escanor, a human, could. And escanor using mere brute force overpowered zeldris' ominous nebula... Mael did it through skill so to speak but it speaks volumes of the sheer power the one has.

Realistically speaking, we barely see ludociel fight, specially at full power. He was presumably stronger after leaving margaret's body but he was still pretty much on his last limb.

As for meliodas... I'd say he is a match in terms of raw power to the demon king. Awakening his magic wasn't only a boost in the sense that he got a new ability. meliodas is the DK because his raw power is just that big. So if meliodas has that much raw power and his magic can pretty much evaporate the demon king.... Then meliodas should be the stronger one right now.

 

[Samael Morningstar]

One mode escanor is a bit above Ban in terms of strength.
One mode mael is easily far beyond ban
Ludo's full power has not been shown up to this point.
100℅ DK should be stronger than Meliodas and should be matching his OG magic power state.
King vs climax sinner is debatable though I would go with king.
King vs zeldrris, zel will win as he's the perfect counter for king with GOD, king needs to have something as powerful as hailos fair to overpower GOD and damage zeldris.

 

[Gallon]

Ban has Snatch - if base Ban could keep up with the Demon King, The One is highly unlikely to last. We don't even have anything to compare them.

King has magic which is weaker than the DK's, and the Ban was tanking Sighing Sage. Speaks volumes about their ranking.

Meliodas is stronger than a 50% DK, but we don't know where 100% DK stands.

Zeldris cannot win against King - lesser magic reservoir, and both can remain dormant until the opponent's magic runs out (Ominous Nebula vs Pollen Garden), and Zeldris isn't winning a battle of magic stamina.

 

[Arjuna]

Mael vs King
Ban vs King
Ban vs Zeldris, Sinner, Ludo, pre noon Mael
The One Escanor vs Ban
The One Mael vs Ban
Post noon Mael vs Ludo
Zeldris vs Sinner
Zeldris vs King
Zeldris vs Ludo
Sinner vs Ludo
Sinner vs King
Meliodas vs 100% DK

Mael wins
Ban wins
Ban wins because of Hunter Fest
Same Ban wins

Mael probably

Ludo

Zeldris


King
Ludo
Ludo


King

If Meliodas is in his AM and uses OGMagic then he wins otherwise DK.

 

[kkck]

Ban has Snatch - if base Ban could keep up with the Demon King, The One is highly unlikely to last. We don't even have anything to compare them.

King has magic which is weaker than the DK's, and the Ban was tanking Sighing Sage. Speaks volumes about their ranking.

Meliodas is stronger than a 50% DK, but we don't know where 100% DK stands.

Zeldris cannot win against King - lesser magic reservoir, and both can remain dormant until the opponent's magic runs out (Ominous Nebula vs Pollen Garden), and Zeldris isn't winning a battle of magic stamina.

Ban only possed a threat to the DK when it was distracted by fighting meliodas on the inside. Otherwise the demon king had a more than comfortable lead over ban.

Ban definitely has superior tanking ability than king but that is hardly the only aspect that matters here. King is still backed by the sacred tree which as far as we know has more than substantial power. And snatch does not work on magic meaning that the bulk of king's arsenal wouldn't be affected by what ban can steal from him.

It really depends on the extent to which zeldris can nullify king's magic... And whether king can some up with a counter to ON. Or whether king can figure out a way to simply not get pushed around by ON and simply resist somehow. ON did have the power to chip rhitta so it is safe to say it has the capacity to deal damage beyond zeldris' PL as well. zeldris isn't winning a stamina battle but ultimately this fight has way too many variables. It really depends strictly on shenanigans.

 

[Gallon]

Ban only possed a threat to the DK when it was distracted by fighting meliodas on the inside. Otherwise the demon king had a more than comfortable lead over ban.

Ban definitely has superior tanking ability than king but that is hardly the only aspect that matters here. King is still backed by the sacred tree which as far as we know has more than substantial power. And snatch does not work on magic meaning that the bulk of king's arsenal wouldn't be affected by what ban can steal from him.

It really depends on the extent to which zeldris can nullify king's magic... And whether king can some up with a counter to ON. Or whether king can figure out a way to simply not get pushed around by ON and simply resist somehow. ON did have the power to chip rhitta so it is safe to say it has the capacity to deal damage beyond zeldris' PL as well. zeldris isn't winning a stamina battle but ultimately this fight has way too many variables. It really depends strictly on shenanigans.

He was doing relatively well even before Meliodas intervened. When the Demon King started taking over, a direct blow to the abdomen only penetrated Ban a few centimeters. Direct blows from the demonic arms barely scratched him, and he was countering their defence and offence through his speed, both of which could not be replicated by any other character in the series thus far.

It matters a lot when Ban is much faster and capable of tanking magic attacks that King cannot reproduce with barely any consequences. Snatch is useful against non-physical fighters, as seen when Ban took King's strength in their fight against the vampires and rendered him almost impotent.
King has shown nothing that can defeat Ban. Fossilization is too slow.

Pollen Garden or Guardian's protection cancel out ON's pull. King can stay back, wait for ON to drop, and use multiple spear forms to fight for him. Zel was shown to be incapable of damaging Pollen Garden, so there's no way to harm King anyway.

 

[HereNThere]

While I think/want to believe that a full powered King can hang with Ban and pre asspull OG power/DK Mel, aka, the dynamic at the start of the series, he really hasn't shown any comparable feats.

He stomped Mael, was limited against Sinner (though still implied to be superior), and running on literal magic fumes against the DK. The series went out of it's way to point out how he was losing power before the DK even popped up. These feats give him a baseline, but no true upper limit. Unlike Ban, whose upper limit is the f'n Demon King.