Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2019] - Discussion and TOC Talk

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Didn't something similar happen with Bleach? At least that's the impression I got from the last few chapters and the interviews that have come out since. Except Kubo was in no condition to keep going with his health problems.
Hmm...it's possible, but, unlike Sorachi (who was relatively close when he had to move to Giga), Kubo was way, way off. Not only did he have a number of fights to get through, he had a ton of backstory elements and subplots he still needed to resolve (Aizen's backstory was a glaring example). That may very well have been why he rushed so hard, as he realized that, even given a specific time-frame to wrap things up, he still wasn't close, and just...broke.
 

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I tought Sorachi said in an extra from one of the last volumes that he told Shueshia that he would end the series in the next 6 months and thats why he finished its publication in Jump.
He couldn´t end it because of bad planning and continued in GIGA and then its app.
He never said to his readers with his own words that he would end the series. I'm sure he told Shueisha after intense prodding, that yes he would try to end it within 6 months, but kept extending it. And then Jump decides to pull their bullshit. It's not Sorachi's fault they wanted new series in Jump, and decided to transfer Gintama via a shitty series ending gag...

Waiting for Boruto btw. Apparently it's a good chapter
 

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He never said to his readers with his own words that he would end the series. I'm sure he told Shueisha after intense prodding, that yes he would try to end it within 6 months, but kept extending it. And then Jump decides to pull their bullshit. It's not Sorachi's fault they wanted new series in Jump, and decided to transfer Gintama via a shitty series ending gag...

Waiting for Boruto btw. Apparently it's a good chapter
 

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What's your point? Sorachi misread the timing of the ending, but it's not his fault the readers got baited into thinking the series would end. That was just immature joking/marketing that was out of his hands. He even did the UHO chapter which was him implicitly saying that the series wouldn't end yet. Same with the dragonball GIGA parody.
 

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I´m a fan of Gintama but saying that it was Jump fault the way it ended the series in the main magazine is dumb.
Sorachi had control of the way he wanted to end his series and for bad planning he couldn´t do it. After recieving the words of Sorachi, Jump start looking for new series, as its usual but they encountered that Sorachi couldn´t maintain his word.
What they could have do instead of playing this situation as another joke that Gintama usually have been doing? They couldn´t say that it was for Sorachi fault because that would have bring down the image of the mangaka and the company.

Sorachi apologized and he literally said that he said to Jump when he tought he would end the series, so the magazine give it all the time to end the way he wanted.
 

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It's important to remember that maintaining Sorachi's image is something of top priority - The man is even more beloved on a personal level than Oda due to his laidback and friendly attitude. Having it come out that Gintama's release schedule went to hell because of Sorachi being incompetent would be an outright scandal.
 

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It's not Sorachi's fault they wanted new series in Jump, and decided to transfer Gintama via a shitty series ending gag...
As if Gintama didnt have shitty gags before...
What's your point? Sorachi misread the timing of the ending, but it's not his fault the readers got baited into thinking the series would end. That was just immature joking/marketing that was out of his hands.
You DO remember whom we are talking about? Its dirty gorilla with 15 years of serialization in Jump, not a pure innocent rookie. Its impossible he wasnt behind all this countdown thing. Heck he even clearly joked about it in 75 volume.
Same with the dragonball GIGA parody.
Dear God Almighty this again... The DB parody wasnt really a problem. How Sorachi WASTED all other pages of that chapter was. And if he did it it means he knew his ass was safe all along. The same thing with gorilla wedding. And the same thing now because 703 chapter was wasted all along
 

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If they really cared that much for Sorachi's image they'd just have kept him in Jump.

I highly doubt Sorachi planned the countdown. If you have evidence, present it.

What shitty gags did Gintama have before?
 

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If they really cared that much for Sorachi's image they'd just have kept him in Jump.

I highly doubt Sorachi planned the countdown. If you have evidence, present it.

What shitty gags did Gintama have before?
Yeah, lets throw all the planning made during the 6 months where they thought Gintama was ending due to his own's author confirmation and re-schedule new series and magazine content, just so we keep Sorachi in WSJ. Lmfao.
It's already enough they let him finish properly with GIGA and his app, even if it's probably the worst and most dangerous idea for a series when it comes to release a last volume that has been delayed for 4 months already.
 
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If they really cared that much for Sorachi's image they'd just have kept him in Jump.

I highly doubt Sorachi planned the countdown. If you have evidence, present it.

What shitty gags did Gintama have before?
...They couldn´t keep him on Jump because Sorachi said them he was going out. They had already series to launch to replace Gintama and the other series it ended.
The evidence is with what he PERSONALLY said in the last tankoubons.

 

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That feeling when this whole mess started because of I'm From Japan.
 

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That feeling when this whole mess started because of I'm From Japan.
I don't think it's related. If anything, David and Japan came because they got a confirmation that Gintama was going to end

Yeah, lets throw all the planning made during the 6 months where they thought Gintama was ending due to his own's author confirmation and re-schedule new series and magazine content, just so we keep Sorachi in WSJ. Lmfao.
It's already enough they let him finish properly with GIGA and his app, even if it's probably the worst and most dangerous idea for a series when it comes to release a last volume that has been delayed for 4 months already.
Exactly
 

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I don't think it's related. If anything, David and Japan came because they got a confirmation that Gintama was going to end
I wasn't serious there, just noting the hilarious indication that one of the worst manga Jump has ever run was what prevented from the Sorachi situation from being re-railed.
 

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This probably the best case of "mangaka artistic skills became better but art as the whole turned worse" If anything Super Eyepatch Wolf was right about this aspect of Bleach in his video.
You're saying Bleach's art got worse? Who is super eyepatch wolf?
 

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You're saying Bleach's art got worse? Who is super eyepatch wolf?
He's a YouTuber, quite a beloved one, though whenever he talks about Jump he gets things horrendously wrong. Still a major influence on me as an essayist.
 

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You're saying Bleach's art got worse? Who is super eyepatch wolf?
I strongly prefer early design in Bleach. I dont really get whatever Kubo was influenced by anime style or anime by his change of stlye. All I know that when I see latter designs I cant help but calling it hamsterland. Also it feels like his inking was better in the beginning and was getting sloper and sloper with the time. On the second, you can always google. I would say his bleach video is quite good. At least what he said about Kubo art is quite true in my option.
 

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If they really cared that much for Sorachi's image they'd just have kept him in Jump.

I highly doubt Sorachi planned the countdown. If you have evidence, present it.

What shitty gags did Gintama have before?
If what they said about Sorachi deadline is true I feel like Jump did and still care about him but he promised them and couldn't keep up with his word.

At least Gintama fans will have a proper ending.
 

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He's a YouTuber, quite a beloved one, though whenever he talks about Jump he gets things horrendously wrong. Still a major influence on me as an essayist.
I strongly prefer early design in Bleach. I dont really get whatever Kubo was influenced by anime style or anime by his change of stlye. All I know that when I see latter designs I cant help but calling it hamsterland. Also it feels like his inking was better in the beginning and was getting sloper and sloper with the time. On the second, you can always google. I would say his bleach video is quite good. At least what he said about Kubo art is quite true in my option.
Ah okay. Not gonna google about him but nice to know.

I get that some find the older design to be more original. I do too. It had a sense of style and to me it seemed like something that would suit a fun, upbeat story. Also, I do think it complimented the early relationship between Ichigo and Rukia pretty well because their friendship was super fun, especially in the early bits.

With that said tho, the art was too rough and blocky to suit what Bleach became (tone-wise) after the first couple of arcs.
Personally think the art design was at it's best during end of SS arc and beginning of Arrancar Arc.

The washed out or sloppier inking might be just the poor Edited Manga work, assuming that's how you read or viewed the series

Edit- I always wanted to say this. That table tennis manga that was serialized last year(Fulldrive, I think) had art that reminded me of Bleach's early art.
 
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SuperEyePatch wolf or the guy who used a picture of Go Nagai when talking about Toriyama
 
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