Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2019] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[Rain Spectre]

"faster pacing of Jump"
Didn't we already go over this...? What was Black Cat or D. Gray Man?

And to your second part about Gintama being a series for readers "who should have grown out of Jump". Lots of series can occupy such a designation and a random producers quote being likely taken out of context doesn't change that. A deconstruction like Chainsaw Man or Medaka Box for example would fit that. A series that strives for an audience that read Jump in their youth isn't at all unlikely to be serialized again. That vague description fits literally almost all deconstructions and parody manga.

I'm not gonna try arguing about the first point because it's clear you refuse to budge, but to the second, you really misunderstand what I mean. Gintama is for those adults who, like Gintoki, have gone through experiences that mean they should've grown out Jump's stories of heroism and courage, yet continue to read and love the stories in Jump regardless. That's why the episodic storyline that alternates between tones and lacks a hard "goal" is so important, it reflect adult life, sometimes comic, sometimes tragic, always meaningful. Discarding that format means discarding half the point of the manga.

Also, just for reference, I do consider Chainsaw Man something of a "counterpart" to Gintama for the modern era, but only in a fairly loose sense. The two are obviously nothing alike in any real factors.

 

[MangAniMY]

@MangAniMY in general, what % of total volume sales for jump series come from outside of japan? Doesn't have to be specific just a general ballpark. Thanks in advance

Don't know, since most worldwide number includes digital...

and we rarely get concrete numbers outside of japan, added the affect that preference will vary depending on countries

I think I did rough calculations with TPN numbers a while back and it kinda 10% for TPN (digital[worldwide] + international sales) I'm probably wrong since I can't find the calculations I did

 

[101nemesis]

@MangAniMY in general, what % of total volume sales for jump series come from outside of japan? Doesn't have to be specific just a general ballpark. Thanks in advance

Think the best thing to do is to follow the sales in Europe and particularly France since that's the biggest market outside Japan. I'm fairly certain sales data for France is available on the internet if you just search for em. I remember back in 2016, France had about 13.6 million volumes of manga sold that year.
North America is a weird market, to say the least.

I'm not gonna try arguing about the first point because it's clear you refuse to budge, but to the second, you really misunderstand what I mean. Gintama is for those adults who, like Gintoki, have gone through experiences that mean they should've grown out Jump's stories of heroism and courage, yet continue to read and love the stories in Jump regardless. That's why the episodic storyline that alternates between tones and lacks a hard "goal" is so important, it reflect adult life, sometimes comic, sometimes tragic, always meaningful. Discarding that format means discarding half the point of the manga.

Also, just for reference, I do consider Chainsaw Man something of a "counterpart" to Gintama for the modern era, but only in a fairly loose sense. The two are obviously nothing alike in any real factors.

Rain. I'm gonna say this very nicely; you have NO IDEA what you're talking about.
Just a FYI to you and any newcomer to this forum. It's OKAY to not know things. You don't need to have an answer to every question that someone asks or says here especially if you have don't know what you're talking about. Just a friendly advise. Cool?

 

[SalesNerd69]

Are there series that sell more internationally than domestically? Like for example 200 k in japan and 300 k worldwide or something? I seriously doubt it but you never know.

 

[Arjuna]

Are there series that sell more internationally than domestically? Like for example 200 k in japan and 300 k worldwide or something? I seriously doubt it but you never know.

Not WSJ per say but from what I saw Edens Zero is more successful overseas than Japan,


Also from what I heard (not sure how much accurate it is) TPN & BNHA is nearly as successful overseas as in Japan.

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

Man, it became my favorite thing to go every week in the MAL's thread for Kimetsu no Yaiba anime, that place is just sooo out of touch with the rest of the anime community, it's hilarious, people there just want to hate Yaiba so much but can't because the production is 10/10 and the series itself is super solid that they come up with stupid nitpick criticism everytime kkkkkk.

 

[Nemesis]

Are there series that sell more internationally than domestically? Like for example 200 k in japan and 300 k worldwide or something? I seriously doubt it but you never know.

Probably, I guess. Can't cite any examples tho

 

[Aeneas]

Rain. I'm gonna say this very nicely; you have NO IDEA what you're talking about.
Just a FYI to you and any newcomer to this forum. It's OKAY to not know things. You don't need to have an answer to every question that someone asks or says here especially if you have don't know what you're talking about. Just a friendly advise. Cool?

"I am wiser than this man, for neither of us appears to know anything great and good; but he fancies he knows something, although he knows nothing; whereas I, as I do not know anything, so I do not fancy I do. In this trifling particular, then, I appear to be wiser than he, because I do not fancy I know what I do not know."

 

[CrimsonEpitaph]

Man, it became my favorite thing to go every week in the MAL's thread for Kimetsu no Yaiba anime, that place is just sooo out of touch with the rest of the anime community, it's hilarious, people there just want to hate Yaiba so much but can't because the production is 10/10 and the series itself is super solid that they come up with stupid nitpick criticism everytime kkkkkk.

The name of the show has been officialy changed into Kimetsu no Sakuga tho

 

[Thundercat27]

The only one who refuse to budge is you, Rain Spectre.
Hell, all of your replies can be summarised into "old things slow and bad, new things fast and good".
About international manga sales, I think Watamote used to sell more in foreign countries before it kind of blown up with yuri undertone. But it's not jump related, I guess.

 

[Mankichi Togawa]

Are there series that sell more internationally than domestically? Like for example 200 k in japan and 300 k worldwide or something? I seriously doubt it but you never know.

Dragon Ball for sure.

 

[Arjuna]

Dragon Ball for sure.

Fist of the north star should also be in the list.

 

[TyVip]

France (europe) > southeast asia (gonna outright say Vietnam is up there > north america for manga sales

Strictly quantity sales speaking, not revenue.

 

[Mankichi Togawa]

Fist of the north star should also be in the list.

Dunno. Dunno about USA, but in Europe however, Hokuto no Ken wasn't so big. Captain Tsubasa and Saint Seiya were way bigger.

 

[Arjuna]

Dunno. Dunno about USA, but in Europe however, Hokuto no Ken wasn't so big. Captain Tsubasa and Saint Seiya were way bigger.

Well Fist of the North Star is one of the top twenty highest-grossing media franchises of all time so maybe not in Europe but in North America perhaps

 

[MangAniMY]

France (europe) > southeast asia (gonna outright say Vietnam is up there > north america for manga sales

Strictly quantity sales speaking, not revenue.

I'm gonna say indonesia is first in SEA just by sheer volume of published series


anyway.... brunei is last

Spoiler: while I'm at it

By blocks

A lot
Indonesia
Vietnam
Thailand

Not sure but definitely some and probably more than MY
Philippines
Laos

probably right about the same as MY maybe more maybe less
Malaysia
Cambodia
Myanmar

Less than MY
Singapore

Nope
Timor-Leste
Brunei

 

[Konja9]

Not WSJ per say but from what I saw Edens Zero is more successful overseas than Japan,


Also from what I heard (not sure how much accurate it is) TPN & BNHA is nearly as successful overseas as in Japan.

Here is a curious situation, because it isn't easy to compare the success between Japan and other countries.

I've understood a manga needs to sell fewer copies in other countries than in Japan to be considered successful by their respectivo editorial.

 

[MangAniMY]

I'm pretty sure we should deal with absolutes rather than relative


also... all dragon ball (normal, kanzeban... not counting super) is 250M worldwide late last year sauce




and, not sure if this include worlwide (probably not since OP seems to be the japan number) but dragon ball was at 159M in 2014 (may or may not include kanzenban) form shueisha media guide 2014

 

[TyVip]

I'm pretty sure we should deal with absolutes rather than relative


also... all dragon ball (normal, kanzeban... not counting super) is 250M worldwide late last year sauce




and, not sure if this include worlwide (probably not since OP seems to be the japan number) but dragon ball was at 159M in 2014 (may or may not include kanzenban) form shueisha media guide 2014

I'm more a believer that 159M is Japan Number. Else it's pulling 90M in 4 years worldwide and that's unheard of.

Actually on the wikipedia page of Dragonball (they listed several "foreign sources" of Dragonball sales that added up to ~280M
like South korea 20M, France 30M, etc... So slightly off but a good indication.

Oricon 2008 chart showed DBZ at 150M circulation.

 

[Nemesis]

I'm more a believer that 159M is Japan Number. Else it's pulling 90M in 4 years worldwide and that's unheard of.

Actually on the wikipedia page of Dragonball (they listed several "foreign sources" of Dragonball sales that added up to ~280M
like South korea 20M, France 30M, etc... So slightly off but a good indication.

Oricon 2008 chart showed DBZ at 150M circulation.

Yup. Link here for anyone who wants: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Ball_(manga)#Popularity

160 million in Japan
30 million in France
20 million in South Korea
20 million in Spain
12 million in Italy
10 million in China
etc