Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2019] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[MangAniMY]

Oh yeah forgot about those, gimme a sec

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54580 555764 TPN
42848 461080 Haikyuu
28237 320386 WT
19120 170148 Souma
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15761 152951 Boruto
11466 110940 WNL
10593 *81244 jigokurak

All of this is KnY
*9754 295089 KnY
*9378 349975 鬼4
*9126 343772 鬼5
*9014 376153 鬼1
*8981 357728 鬼3
*8905 337511 鬼6
*8731 321880 鬼7
*8610 295511 鬼14
*8598 317331 鬼11

Hey, someone actually posted the sales here ,I could do it myself, but I won't... just because

anyway, charts... and both type as well
haven't posted them on twitter in a while since it is too inconvenient there, probably the monthly


In short-

• TPN 14 above 550k tracking way above 13 "even" with LE included , (and ahead of MHA 21 by week 3, "555680" which i'm just putting here since people are going to compare them
• HQ trailing behind VoV, with a pretty noticeable drop especially with more days than the previous volume
• WT 20 manage to caught and pass vol.19 which was the previous fastest selling in a month not sure if relevant but WT 20 is a bit- more expensive than WT 19
• Souma keeps on dropping, latest volume can't even pass vol.2, 2 week (13 days) sales in 3 weeks (20 days)
• Boruto seems to stabilise, staying about the same as previous volume even with less days, basically within margin of error if you take days into account
• WNL doing fine with the boost, nothing great, but at least noticable
• yuuna dind't make the top 100 so that is less than 8.5k sales this week (probably in 6 - 7k)
• not chart for it yet, (maybe later) Jigokuraku made 80k in 3 week, it probable be able to reach 100k in 5 weeks the earliest, depending on the dropoff

this shouldn't have to be said, but above observation are up to the current point.

TPN 14 (ask if you want me to share the with the non-LE version of 13)

Spoiler: eh

	Days
	6​	13​	20​	27​	34​
TPN 14	375627​	501660​	556240​
MHA 21	389830​	502273​	555680​	592935​	625000​

HQ 38

WT 21

SNS 35

Boruto 8

WNL 12

yes, I did prepare this all beforehand

 

[CuriousReborn]

Hey, someone actually posted the sales here ,I could do it myself, but I won't... just because

I would have post them earlier if it wasnt for the Dota 2 major going on right now

 

[OfficialHxH]

 

[CuriousReborn]

Im feeling a MHA cover soon

 

[savethecat]

the final arc of bleach was pretty bad, so why do fans want the anime back?

The dedicated fanbase likes the final arc. Also, there are people who don’t read manga and are anime only who want to see it concluded.
I have a close friend who’s a huge Bleach fan. But since he doesn’t like reading manga/comics Bleach ended for him when the anime ended.

 

[Ctkk]

Im feeling a MHA cover soon

5th anniversary is coming up so it pretty much has to get one within the next month.

 

[101nemesis]

For the 1 millionth time, can we all stop believing random twitter "influencers"? Cool?

the final arc of bleach was pretty bad, so why do fans want the anime back?

Opinions are a thing.

It wasn't great after mid way point but it was still super fun and seeing all those bankai and Zaraki going berserk animated would be hella fun. Also, it'll also give Kubo chance to add story elements he couldn't fit into the manga either due to health or his bad planning. Heck, if they want, they could do a whole mini flashback arc with the quincies. They showed glimpses of it in the manga but didn't dwell too much into it. There are many ways to improve the final arc from the manga like they did with the Fullbring arc.

Hey, someone actually posted the sales here ,I could do it myself, but I won't... just because

anyway, charts... and both type as well
haven't posted them on twitter in a while since it is too inconvenient there, probably the monthly


In short-

• TPN 14 above 550k tracking way above 13 "even" with LE included , (and ahead of MHA 21 by week 3, "555680" which i'm just putting here since people are going to compare them
• HQ trailing behind VoV, with a pretty noticeable drop especially with more days than the previous volume
• WT 20 manage to caught and pass vol.19 which was the previous fastest selling in a month not sure if relevant but WT 20 is a bit- more expensive than WT 19
• Souma keeps on dropping, latest volume can't even pass vol.2, 2 week (13 days) sales in 3 weeks (20 days)
• Boruto seems to stabilise, staying about the same as previous volume even with less days, basically within margin of error if you take days into account
• WNL doing fine with the boost, nothing great, but at least noticable
• yuuna dind't make the top 100 so that is less than 8.5k sales this week (probably in 6 - 7k)
• not chart for it yet, (maybe later) Jigokuraku made 800k in 3 week, it probable be able to reach 100k in 5 weeks the earliest, depending on the dropoff

this shouldn't have to be said, but above observation are up to the current point.




yes, I did prepare this all beforehand

So yeah, HQ is dropping. It's gonna be SUPER interesting to see what the anime's return does for it.
I think for TPN vs MHA comparison, it'll be interesting to see how they stack against each other 6 months from now.
WT's sales is impressive, I'll admit. So happy for this series even though I dont follow it. WSJ gave the mangaka his time to heal and it's paying off. Solid fans for WT. Don't think anyone expected WT to get stronger AFTER the hiatus.

The dedicated fanbase likes the final arc. Also, there are people who don’t read manga and are anime only who want to see it concluded.
I have a close friend who’s a huge Bleach fan. But since he doesn’t like reading manga/comics Bleach ended for him when the anime ended.

Same. My best friend who got into anime via Bleach (because of me) wants the last arc animated just so she can watch what happens.
Plenty don't follow manga.

 

[animeexpert]

Was already posted pages ago and you should add a nsfw tag if you are going to post something like this

1 word: CLOUT.

 

[tirakai]

I wonder if we'll see Haikyuu leave its position as a core top 3 series, being replaced in the group covers and such. Neverland's clearly the bigger series now but Haikyuu will probably last longer than it, and it wouldn't feel right to have a series leave the top 3 then rejoin it again later because nothing else was big enough.

At least in regards to current new-ish series I can't see anything getting especially huge in that same way, Act-age and Dr Stone will grow no doubt but they probably have a smaller limit to their niche, Chainsawman's too weird to get proper mainstream, and Jujutsu to me feels like it'll be Kimetsu/World Trigger/Black Clover big, as in very popular but not the biggest battle shounen around, a 2nd tier of jump kind of thing. Who knows though, maybe one of them will get that Toriko push.

I guess there's Samurai 8 with a big potential fanbase (being a kishimoto series) but reception so far seems pretty mixed and if it does actually only last ~10 volumes it probably wouldn't last too much longer than Neverland anyway.

 

[Halloween]

the final arc of bleach was pretty bad, so why do fans want the anime back?

Most of it was good until the very end. But, the reason is simple. The anime improved on the source material. I'm confident it would be improved on again, especially if Kubo collaborated on filling in the gaps.

 

[Kaizoku_82]

From the way Bokuben anime is being produced, I highly doubt they will make a second season, the anime seems to be choosing to adapt only the most sexualized, ecchi and comical chapters while leaving the ones who show proper development in the relationship between Nariyuki and each one of the girls out, i personality don't see a problem with that choice, but it leaves pretty clear that the studio and Jump don't have a lot of faith in the series, so they just went for the route that would grant them more Blue-Ray copies and tankobon volumes in this single round, only with Gotobun levels of boost i think it stood a chance.

 

[CuriousReborn]

Volume covers

 

[Nemesis]

From the way Bokuben anime is being produced, I highly doubt they will make a second season, the anime seems to be choosing to adapt only the most sexualized, ecchi and comical chapters while leaving the ones who show proper development in the relationship between Nariyuki and each one of the girls out, i personality don't see a problem with that choice, but it leaves pretty clear that the studio and Jump don't have a lot of faith in the series, so they just went for the route that would grant them more Blue-Ray copies and tankobon volumes in this single round, only with Gotobun levels of boost i think it stood a chance.

It's happening for sure. At least one more season.

 

[LuckyJim]

Some promotional images for the first volumes of The Last Saiyuki and Yui Kamio, I think it's from Jump Giga.

 

[Unok]

Jump GIGA had some nice oneshots.

Soukou


Fire Beast Alan

the CP of this was the most interesting thing... But will see, it's a new short series, so it can get better.

Hellfire


Steam

that's like 3 fire-based stories XD

Tokyo Grind Horror Channel

Like Alan, the CP was more cool than the shot.

 

[Vizard]

 

[Stivie]

I wonder if we'll see Haikyuu leave its position as a core top 3 series, being replaced in the group covers and such. Neverland's clearly the bigger series now but Haikyuu will probably last longer than it, and it wouldn't feel right to have a series leave the top 3 then rejoin it again later because nothing else was big enough.

At least in regards to current new-ish series I can't see anything getting especially huge in that same way, Act-age and Dr Stone will grow no doubt but they probably have a smaller limit to their niche, Chainsawman's too weird to get proper mainstream, and Jujutsu to me feels like it'll be Kimetsu/World Trigger/Black Clover big, as in very popular but not the biggest battle shounen around, a 2nd tier of jump kind of thing. Who knows though, maybe one of them will get that Toriko push.

I guess there's Samurai 8 with a big potential fanbase (being a kishimoto series) but reception so far seems pretty mixed and if it does actually only last ~10 volumes it probably wouldn't last too much longer than Neverland anyway.

seeing chapter 163 of kimetsu I think he can finish before the promised neverland. I believe that of the current jump mangoes, which is more likely to take the place of haikyuu are jujutsu kaisen and samurai 8, act age has no face that would last long and chainsaw man is the kind of manga that attracts a lot of public for being very violent (I would say that it must be the most violent manga of the jump, only losing to HunterxHunter).

There are other new series, Beast children, double taisei and also the TSS can be successful.
I know that many here do not die of love for TSS but the manga already has people doing cosplay, I do not know if this is indicative of success but it already draws attention.

 

[CrimsonEpitaph]

TPN #14 is actually around 500 copies ahead of MHA #21, so in terms of volume sales rising, TPN is a bigger success than MHA.
I assume that the main difference between them (outside of MHA being a mega hit outside of Japan) is in the number of fans who don't read the manga/buy volumes, since MHA still has incredible TV ratings.

 

[Rain Spectre]

Jump GIGA had some nice oneshots.

Soukou


Fire Beast Alan

the CP of this was the most interesting thing... But will see, it's a new short series, so it can get better.

Hellfire


Steam

that's like 3 fire-based stories XD

Tokyo Grind Horror Channel

Like Alan, the CP was more cool than the shot.

Damn, there's genuinely some pretty promising talent there. Kinda hoping they join the main magazine.

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seeing chapter 163 of kimetsu I think he can finish before the promised neverland. I believe that of the current jump mangoes, which is more likely to take the place of haikyuu are jujutsu kaisen and samurai 8, act age has no face that would last long and chainsaw man is the kind of manga that attracts a lot of public for being very violent (I would say that it must be the most violent manga of the jump, only losing to HunterxHunter).

There are other new series, Beast children, double taisei and also the TSS can be successful.
I know that many here do not die of love for TSS but the manga already has people doing cosplay, I do not know if this is indicative of success but it already draws attention.

You realize that would require Samurai 8 to work right? And...it isn't really.

Also, I doubt Beast, Taisei and TSS are gonna survive. None of them seem to be on the level of standard quality.

 

[Unok]

maybe one of them will get that Toriko push.

Why do people keep repeating this as it's the most true thing in the world. It's becoming a meme. Many times I have shown that during Toriko's highest popularity, other series were more promoted in Jump than it. I think Toriko max had 11/12 CPs in a year, while plenty series had up 10+ to 14CPs a year: Nisekoi, Haikyu, Medaka Box, AssClass, Nurarihyon, Reborn, Beelzebub, Bleach, Kochikame, Neverland, We Never Learn, Kimetsu, Shokugeki, Black Clover, Kuroko, MHA, Bakuman, Dr. Stone, etc, yet people keep repeating "toriko push" like it's miles ahead.

Seeing people again try to push it towards "samurai 8 is shit" topic, for the data lovers, if anyone has collected info on how many CPs a series had in a year, lets post it here and see which is actually the most pushed series in Jump. Like from 2010 to 2019 (issue 1-52 for 2010, 1-52 for 2011, etc). Otherwise, I may end up collecting the info, but I'm sure few people here like to keep lots of stats.

Also another type of statistics, lets see which series got most pushed in it's beginning. Like for it's first ~2 years (100 chapters), how many CPs & Covers it got?
Remember Bakuman had like 15, Toriko like 16-17, Kimetsu 19, BC ~26, MHA ~24. In which again, the most promoted Toriko will be loosing a lot