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[Holt]

Some one killed my bear? I will get revenge for you. Dw. This is really hurtful since he didn’t get to play much the first day. Really upset. Especially after Takuan because I knew he didn’t know whether to play or not considering everyone was going to bully him.

Tbh, I kinda hate this whole bullying thing. Nothing of the sort was my intention. I find it weird you guys are chalking this up to bullying. I gave my genuine reason for suspecting Taku because of what he did, and it wasn't a case of making him a scapegoat or an easy lynch. This whole idea of bullying isn't sitting well with me at all, because I would do no such thing. And if taku did something that is weird and gets lynched for it, then that isn't bullying. This is MG, its not sentiments and emotions here.

In retrospect of course, I was wrong about Taku's affiliation, but I certainly wasn't bullying him and I'm pretty sure I would do the same thing in the next or another MG in same circumstances. The idea of backing off someone you suspect just cos you were wrong about a previous game call is kinda asinine.

Caught up with D1, might be hindsight talking but the Takuan lynch was weird, Holt started it because of his random vote on Asako that was built on a misunderstanding of the mechanic but his lurking and early lock was still enough to suspect and bandwagon him? Don't think his vote was all that weird considering how many times Asako told him she'd try to get him lynched D1, probably got him annoyed lol, also don't see her vote as being weird either considering she said she would do it a million times.

Townies didn't get the points for that lynch, pretty sure some Mafia's did.

Lol at GrySun's ignorance of my activity in these games, suspected him for that since it was pretty selective, but don't think he would do Panda like that if he was Mafia or on a Mafia team, but haven't thought much on the setup.

Demonspeed a bit too passive, James feels a bit weird too.

Cres, why Holt? The whole "rival" thingamajig?

The Taku lynch felt weird? I honestly feel you are grasping at straws here. It was a random vote lock! With no explanation, that had nothing to do with misunderstanding of the mechanic. The misunderstanding was on my part frankly, and I made that statement in reply to Uber's lock later not Taku. Are you intentionally mixing the two just to start something?

Also, why are you talking like we had a ton of suspects and things to go on off D1? The alternative was lynching inactives, in which case someone like you would be gone. Also, if you were that worried about bandwagon, you would be more interested in those who willingly jumped on Taku because Holt said so. You don't think his random lock vote was all that weird? What's with this honestly? So who would you have suggested we lynch yesterday? Anyone but Taku I guess.


What's with the dead thread and inactivity? I've had no power supply for while so I just got on and I expected to have a lot of catching up to do but there's basically nothing.

 

[GrySun]

The point you are all raising here and reacting to is the fact that Panda (specifically) died early. Care to explain why this fact in particular has caught your attention?

Once you‘ve played 10+ games some commonly playing players like playing with/against each other so they keep each other around for longer for a more entertaining game. So I think people who were killed tend to be decent indicators to who could be in the mafia team. Panda has been night1/2-killed before, can check who the mafias were those times. Like for my deaths it‘s almost always James.

 

[Holt]

Also, the whole "I wouldn't kill Panda this early" doesn't fly here. A billion things could explain that. A redirected kill, an intentional kill just to say you wouldn't kill Panda this early. The mafia play as a team, one person doesn't call the shots (asides the boss I guess). You could be another mafia member who got overruled by popular vote or the boss' veto.

 

[GrySun]

IMO Sickly in this game would be quite trolly, leading to situations where people get the no-vote decease w/o having used alchemy and thus creating some crazy scenarios. Sadly our sickly died now...

I don‘t see the „crazy“ situations unless the sickly claims the role, which they usually do to confirm themselves. Though I see a great play of having one mafia teammate use alchemy, claim to not have used it then another comes out claiming to be a sickly. How boring of them to not risk something like that, I‘d definitely use the system for that.

 

[Lady pompom]

The point you are all raising here and reacting to is the fact that Panda (specifically) died early. Care to explain why this fact in particular has caught your attention? In particular, Seraph, why would you expect Gry or Van instead?


IMO Sickly in this game would be quite trolly, leading to situations where people get the no-vote decease w/o having used alchemy and thus creating some crazy scenarios. Sadly our sickly died now...
Also, on whom did you use your alchemy powers?


Care to elaborate on these claims? especially the latter.
Moreover, a hint on your role would be all but unwelcome at this point (I even asked you before in D1).


Now reading some of the previous posts.

Hmm, because in all those mafia games, those 2 have a very early death (and many times during the night). Panda is someone that most of the time passed through those early deaths on n1-n2.

 

[James Rye]

Some of the late arrivals on takuan bandwagon might be mafia getting fragments,

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GrySun, Vandred, Demonspeed hrmmm

I also think that at least 1 of the not voter disease guys is Mafia. Why shouldn't Mafia use extra blocks if they get them for free depending on their numbers and roles? Like an Escort ofc would never use a coin-flip block if he/she got a real block that blocks all the time. So it makes sense for Mafia to block as many people as they can to hinder our investigation.

i thought u were German

He could be there for vacation, ya know. Or he moved there but then he would still be german because he was born there.

To the players who are active rn, i.e. @digitaldude and @goodboy_lawlett , you guys are veterans, didn't you notice any abnormal behavior in some players, no matter how slight it is?
For example, I would've expected Gry, James or even Demon to be more active and pressuring, like in previous games... what do you think?

Also @Belserion , you've been awfully passive in D1...

Like I said, my role is something I never had before. Guess what I had (I think we made a list in a past game what roles I already got), stuff like det, doc, spy, bodyguard, Jesus, Mason and so on. So my role isn't exactly something I can use to make conclusions from, all I got is what you people offer me as information per day and that could be as fake as the faces of most celebrities.
Also I did use Ground Alchemy myself last night on the newbie uberfayt (because just because I let the newbie live at day, does not mean I would allow her/him(?) to kill us at night if s/he got Janitor like I had in my first two games as newbie) yet I did not get any not-voter-disease, so I assume I got alchemy blocked or real blocked by Escort or random block by BK. Or said BK might have changed said block onto me for all I know. In any case I can still vote today, so I try to get my next step that way if not using alchemy.

 

[Seraph]

@Demonspeed I was wondering if you'd share more about yourself today Demon,i even went through the trouble of tagging you Which players are you keeping an eye on in this game?

 

[GrySun]

Mafias who votelocked and band-wagonned Taku were at 1+2=3 steps towards the stone already. Using the Ground transmutation or going for the kill would give them an additional point. So worst case scenario we are dealing with at least two non-townies with 4 steps...We should keep an eye on the four who got the decease.

I think they wouldn‘t use it actually. Reasons being that one lock on another dying townie next day would already complete the stone without needing extra steps from alchemy, and because alchemy locks you off of using alchemy the next night. So you‘re saying they are rushing to get the stone to not be able to use it when they get it and having to wait another phase. No chance.

 

[Seraph]

@James Rye Any players in particular you'd like to keep an eye on in this game? And care to share why?

 

[GrySun]

Love how Panda's death has potentially "cleared" so many for whatever reasons. Of course being so quick to point it out, you know, in case no one else picks up on their obvious innocence, only makes me wonder if that's not the perfect cover. Like some sort of twisted reverse psychology at its finest.

I love how you just sit back and point fingers in each post since the start. Kinda what I do when I‘m mafia, just spreading that suspicion around and scooting by the days.

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For example, I would've expected Gry, James or even Demon to be more active and pressuring, like in previous games... what do you think?

Explain how I wasn‘t active or pressuring so far? Compared to literally anyone else playing this.

 

[Seraph]

I love how you just sit back and point fingers in each post since the start. Kinda what I do when I‘m mafia, just spreading that suspicion around and scooting by the days.

Tbf. to her at least 3-4 more people have said the same thing.

 

[GrySun]

I also think that at least 1 of the not voter disease guys is Mafia. Why shouldn't Mafia use extra blocks if they get them for free depending on their numbers and roles? Like an Escort ofc would never use a coin-flip block if he/she got a real block that blocks all the time. So it makes sense for Mafia to block as many people as they can to hinder our investigation.

They don‘t know who is worth blocking yet though. But they do have the numbers I suppose, so they can keep switching who they use for the kill and who blocks while the alchemy cools down.

 

[Seraph]

Is 4-5 Mafia's realistic given the amount of players we have? Or is that TP dependent as well?

 

[James Rye]

Tbh, I kinda hate this whole bullying thing. Nothing of the sort was my intention. I find it weird you guys are chalking this up to bullying. I gave my genuine reason for suspecting Taku because of what he did, and it wasn't a case of making him a scapegoat or an easy lynch. This whole idea of bullying isn't sitting well with me at all, because I would do no such thing. And if taku did something that is weird and gets lynched for it, then that isn't bullying. This is MG, its not sentiments and emotions here.

In retrospect of course, I was wrong about Taku's affiliation, but I certainly wasn't bullying him and I'm pretty sure I would do the same thing in the next or another MG in same circumstances. The idea of backing off someone you suspect just cos you were wrong about a previous game call is kinda asinine.

The Taku lynch felt weird? I honestly feel you are grasping at straws here. It was a random vote lock! With no explanation, that had nothing to do with misunderstanding of the mechanic. The misunderstanding was on my part frankly, and I made that statement in reply to Uber's lock later not Taku. Are you intentionally mixing the two just to start something?

Also, why are you talking like we had a ton of suspects and things to go on off D1? The alternative was lynching inactives, in which case someone like you would be gone. Also, if you were that worried about bandwagon, you would be more interested in those who willingly jumped on Taku because Holt said so. You don't think his random lock vote was all that weird? What's with this honestly? So who would you have suggested we lynch yesterday? Anyone but Taku I guess.


What's with the dead thread and inactivity? I've had no power supply for while so I just got on and I expected to have a lot of catching up to do but there's basically nothing.

Lol, I don't think you bullied anyone, Holt. This is just a meme because the thought of others joining together and kicking a certain JoJo character is funny. As for the inactivity I just worked and slept till two hours ago and now I got a game in BB2 which I need to play once my opponent comes online. That's why I am not as active as usual.

Once you‘ve played 10+ games some commonly playing players like playing with/against each other so they keep each other around for longer for a more entertaining game. So I think people who were killed tend to be decent indicators to who could be in the mafia team. Panda has been night1/2-killed before, can check who the mafias were those times. Like for my deaths it‘s almost always James.

And that's only my deep love and respect for your amazing Mafia skills, Gry.
But yeah, if I got a kill role I usually tend to get rid of Gry early on because he got marvelous skills to either manipulate others into thinking he is harmelss while he is a 3rd role or mafia or is dangerous because he binds townies to himself and figures out who is a lying scumbag.

@James Rye Any players in particular you'd like to keep an eye on in this game? And care to share why?

Well, for me, and that's just my respect speaking, it is Gry. Because if you don't know if Gry is on your team and he is still alive then my alarm bells start ringing. As it should back then when Gry was Santa, where he was quiet and all stuff and most horrific ALIVE for the whole game. Like that's unnatural!
Also any of the ground alchemy voters of last night, the chance of at least one of them being Mafia is pretty high as both sides Mafia and townies would profit from successful blocks on the other side yet it is the Mafia with the advantage of knowing who belongs to their side who can draw the real potential of those extra blocks every night.

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And he is online. I am off for the next 60-120 minutes depending on how the game goes. Wish me luck, guys!

 

[GrySun]

The two most relevant Panda posts from last day.

Asachan is blood thirsty, so the role she probably wanted so badly is mafia assassin
Erichi has gotten all the mafia roles before, so that's promising.
Seraph... Idk. Seraph.
Demon, James and Lawl are all veterans, so between the three of them, one is probably lying
Uber is new, maybe his role is doc? Winry fixes up Ed all the time no?

As for my role...

Votelock GrySun

He is semi-implicating Asako, Erin and one out of Demon/James/Lawl. And he has been nightkilled night 1 before in a previous game for having guessed the whole mafia team or having suspected many mafias.

All will be clear soon

Panda in reply to uber related to his lock on me. He could‘ve been hinting here that he can confirm himself in some way(which sickly can) which could be a reason to kill him.

Then there‘s Vand claming he got targeted by Panda for some reason. I‘m curious why he‘d think Vand should be stripped of his vote above everyone else.

So from this either he was killed due to his 2nd post, or one of the people he named badly in his 1st post is mafia.

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Is 4-5 Mafia's realistic given the amount of players we have? Or is that TP dependent as well?

Always TP dependant and even depending on if the mafias are in the same group. If there‘s a TP it‘s probably a Mentor, to combo with the ST maybe being tested, who recruited last night instead of failing to kill.

With how it‘s a smaller game I‘d think it‘d be one big mafia and maybe a TP Mentor.

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@desin24 said last day his role is rather irrelevant and he wouldn‘t mind revealing it. If that‘s the case he might as well claim.

@goodboy_lawlett only lurking and one-liners. Not having fun lawl? Usually as town you‘d troll around, while as mafia you‘d pretend a normal town player. You did say your role was „trollish“.

@Erinyes please say more about yourself, if you‘re travelling and inactive you shouldn‘t be leaving with having said so little. Basically skipping a day.

Too many people to tag and I can‘t tag everyone in one post, but those I‘m interested in atm. Though I wish I had a daykill to go fishing on many.

 

[Lawl Po Bia]

@goodboy_lawlett only lurking and one-liners. Not having fun lawl? Usually as town you‘d troll around, while as mafia you‘d pretend a normal town player. You did say your role was „trollish“.

yeah cant really make any plays atm, especially after this night i am a bit omegalul but its fine

 

[GrySun]

yeah cant really make any plays atm, especially after this night i am a bit omegalul but its fine

So when will you make plays?

 

[Lawl Po Bia]

why do you ask? do you actually think there is some universe in which i kill panda?

 

[Seraph]

why do you ask? do you actually think there is some universe in which i kill panda?

...Maybe?

 

[GrySun]

why do you ask? do you actually think there is some universe in which i kill panda?

I ask because I like having people to play with...