AA's power gets more misterious as time goes by. Is It a healing, boosting, ressurrection? By the talk going on It seems people "revived" were actually still alive, since even DengDeng is not dead yet without a heart. So no ressurrection, specially knowing Arlene had so much trouble bringing Bam back.
However, healing and boosting don't seem to have the same basis. I suppose It is something else entirely that has these both as side effects. Such as "increasing the Shinsoo life force", which would both result in healing/endurance to damage, such as Kallavan did to the dmg he suffered, while also increasing the ability to build Power. I doubt It would be different effects, its more like a single effect with two consequences. Imo.
Given that canine bodies appear to be straight up BS... (deng deng being alive, that other ranker not dying, doom moving his brain...)... and the fact that aguero's flame simultaneously healed and powered up that ranker... I am thinking that the flame enhances things the target is already capable of. So the flame didn't heal that ranker, rather it enhanced his healing to the point where it could cure him of whatever he had. The same thing would apply to aguero, it just boosted his innate healing capacity to ridiculous levels.Though aguero probably doesn't have a body as convenient as those of canine people (even if it might be physically more powerful).
I'd love Bam vs Ranker to get fleshed out tbh. It would be nice to see how far Bam can go, and what exactly he will use.
Karaka is confident enough about fighting them. It does reinforce earlier info, with Paul and Gado not being far off each other and Doom also not that much (at least currently). If he's proposing 1vs1 against them when they have the option of rotating, it's a no brainier. Doom himself didn't really fancy facing a slayer. Yama definitely would've been overkill considering this
I am inclined to thinking doom is simply being cautious. Karaka is a slayer and doom is aware but in turn doom has no way of knowing that among slayers karaka is but a baby. Add to that doom probably not being all that close to his full power. having just recovered his heart after eons of sleeping and not having his full set of fangs. I suppose its possible doom, being a canine with the power to create other canines, actually doesn't have ideal specks for combat but yama does.
So the longer this arc has gone on the more I think these canine people are like SIU mashing up western vampires and werewolves.
Transforms and canine-ness from werewolves.
Doom makes sense as an ur/root/first vampire: sole source of power, has control over minions, fangs (and his vulnerability is his...heart? and we have a giant spear/stake in play?).
Isn’t Gado almost an expy of one of the vampires in from dusk til dawn? He looks familiar.
So the longer this arc has gone on the more I think these canine people are like SIU mashing up western vampires and werewolves.
Transforms and canine-ness from werewolves.
Doom makes sense as an ur/root/first vampire: sole source of power, has control over minions, fangs (and his vulnerability is his...heart? and we have a giant spear/stake in play?).
With the difficulty killing them and all the talk about 'dolls' I'm getting a more artificial feel. Like dog shinheuh that were humanized and self-replicating through Doom. The 3 brothers could have just been a pack of 3 dogs that got the TMNT ooze treatment. And the heart doesn't even look organic.
Lol like each week i thought this could not get more ridiculous but SIU always find a way to surprise me lmao, so now AA can boost a canine dog to the point where he can even reach a higher transformation, without mentionning the same plot of baam playing the regular card and impressioning rankers when we know he is an irregular, also karaka still thinks baam is weaker than him, what a loser lmao,if he thinks he can fight gado, paul and doom on one vs one he is really dumb one. That guy is a weakling.
Btw i wonder what is happening in the fight scenes, i could see nothing, it's just light beams all over the panel with destruction effect and it's like that since the hell train , is siu drawing an anime ?
SIU always trying to get some validation from his fanbase, what a lack of confidence , confirmation that he just gives characters random ability to please the audience, enna core, ice and now fire, i wonder what is next ? Nothing is looking forward to khun growth, we just want a story that makes sense, that is all lmao.
I mean, yeah, capable against the fodder rankers for sure, maybe even the mid-tier as you mention. Chunhee is weaker than Yuri, who is arguably on the same level as Karaka.... and as you can see here Karaka pretty much will outrank almost all the HR doggos. So, you may be right but it seems ONLY Yama and possibly Doom will make a big splash on the battlefield. Kinda disappointed Paul is so weak as he's one of the 3 brothers though.
Was it said Doom's powers of control can work on the other 2 brothers? Yama would have to have surprise-attack him to take off his thorn which seemingly is what can give him that power.
Given that canine bodies appear to be straight up BS... (deng deng being alive, that other ranker not dying, doom moving his brain...)... and the fact that aguero's flame simultaneously healed and powered up that ranker... I am thinking that the flame enhances things the target is already capable of. So the flame didn't heal that ranker, rather it enhanced his healing to the point where it could cure him of whatever he had. The same thing would apply to aguero, it just boosted his innate healing capacity to ridiculous levels.Though aguero probably doesn't have a body as convenient as those of canine people (even if it might be physically more powerful).
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I am inclined to thinking doom is simply being cautious. Karaka is a slayer and doom is aware but in turn doom has no way of knowing that among slayers karaka is but a baby. Add to that doom probably not being all that close to his full power. having just recovered his heart after eons of sleeping and not having his full set of fangs. I suppose its possible doom, being a canine with the power to create other canines, actually doesn't have ideal specks for combat but yama does.
Probably not much. It's only been two years. Baam is unique in his ability to push through entire tiers in that amount of time. It's not something that should be expected of anyone else. Especially not a Ranker, who has to gain much more in terms of raw growth for it to make an appreciable difference.
You must be joking, he never waver against anybody but Gustang, how did you arrive to that conclusion?
A weakling?
To whom did he lose to? Kallavan? Yuri? Or you mean the time when he got apprehended?
Strange
There was never a time in the webcomic that Karaka shown his full combat ability, there also was never a time in the webcomic that Jinsung shown his full combat ability
A pity some would take that as a sign of weakness and incompetency
Karaka can't be defeated thanks to his armor, so him holding them off is easily doable doesn't necessarily prove his overall strength if he is just tanking attacks and reviving, plus he is powerful enough stretch out the fights, if bam is thinking on the same line he draws out this fight as well, to give AA more time to win the game unless it doesn't start until bam wins.
Karaka can't be defeated thanks to his armor, so him holding them off is easily doable doesn't necessarily prove his overall strength if he is just tanking attacks and reviving, plus he is powerful enough stretch out the fights, if bam is thinking on the same line he draws out this fight as well, to give AA more time to win the game unless it doesn't start until bam wins.
Baam stalling for time doesn't make much sense. The game has started already, with Koon and an allied Ranker holding the Fang and one of Paul's Rankers giving chase. If Baam defeats his opponent quickly, then he can go after them and make certain they win while Karaka walls Doom, Paul and Gado (which he should be able to do with little difficulty).
Ok translation wasn't that clear thanks for the info, in that case bam is beating this guy next chapter since Paul ranker is a better fight or some unexpected person shows up akryung must have reported to someone about bam abilities by now.
What I am thinking abt all this is when Bam finally puts everything together: Loops, Sphere, Black Shinsoo, Shinworyu, Black March, Thorn ignition and Fire Fish Boost. I think he could perhaps fight and defeat an advanced ranker by then, which would only happen after this arc, I think, for plot reasons: It has to give Adori some goosebumps, she in particular must know Bam Will surpass her eventually and get into top 10 rank at least.
A regular beating an advanced ranker is beyond a miracle.
Well, I try and use 'weak' as a relative term. Compared to regulars, of course not. Moving forward though.... ehh.
I hope he's not just stupidly buying time (Karaka). He seems confident enough to 1v1 anyone who wants to step up. If he relies on his armor alone that is kind of lame. Keep in mind he felt confident in waking Yama too (and likewise defend from a sleep-walking Yama), and that was enough to almost kill Gado outright. So, Karaka more than likely outranks Gado without relying on his armor, but certainly with it. And Gado seems to be about on par with Paul, or slightly under.
I figure Karaka to be stronger than any dog but Yama (he clearly respects a fully-awake Yama), and possibly Doom. At least Doom without his thorn. (this 'game' is to keep Doom without his trump card, his thorn). Doom being a 200 HR is probably stronger than Karaka, but only with his thorn. Also, Karaka and Yuri both are rising quickly in the ranks and not static. So, it's hard to compare those two for now.
Which means team Baam got a bunch of dogs equal to or weaker than Karaka (most being weaker).... great! Yama and Doom aside of course. That works for the rank and file rankers, but Baam's going to have to be contending with stronger and stronger foes. There could likely be hundreds of opponents stronger than Karaka. And Baam cannot take them all on. SIU won't live long enough to do hundreds of arcs where Baam is solely required to handle the big-baddie.
But, like I said, Yama alone seems to be worth the price of admission.
Oh come on if they are comparable to guys of the Zahard army, they are far from being average. Not sure if they are, but that's the whole point of recruting Yama and his forces.
The way i see it, Karaka did a fine job to even the odds. Think about it. Even if Doom accepts a game, they have three (powerful) high rankers at their side. If they are allowed to interfere freely, it's over. So he tried to trap them within the rules of the game. If they don't defeat Bam (which i doubt), they have to go one on one with Karaka. If they aren't stronger, good - if they are, so what? He has got his world of darkness and can just absorb their attacks (like he did it with Yuri) and in the worst case, his spell armor saves him. He took the three strongest guys out of the game without doing much and with a really slim chance of him failing (his spell armor being broken). That's smart.
An army full of karaka's? I would gladly take them.......even if they are weaker than him, so what? Again, let's compare them to the Zahard army, because that is what this is all about. The only one they couldn't match would be kallavan. But for him they would have Evankhell or Yama.
Personally, i would find it much lamer if he pulled a "White". Challenging all three of them and using one super attack to destroy them in one fell swoop. But if something goes wrong (someone interfering, like Chunhee or the blue Vice commander), he is out of power and (in the worst case) has still to deal with all three.
Yeah & this hundred of opponents are most likely not able to kill him, unless they have an item strong enough to break his spell (or they are irregulars or conspire with an admin...)
Bam is still quite a few steps away from challenging the likes of Zahard or a family head, so give him some time to assemble his troops. And he already has got Yuri or evan on his side. Garam could be another one.
But even now, he got Evan, Karaka, Evankhell, Hansung, all underlings from Karaka and his own guide section (a lot of them seem to work together, so quite a few they work for Bam right now) maybe Yama (&Doom & Paul ?).
Possible: Yuri, Garam, FUG, Urek (?) & gustang (?), Leero ro (?),......
Oh come on if they are comparable to guys of the Zahard army, they are far from being average. Not sure if they are, but that's the whole point of recruting Yama and his forces.
The way i see it, Karaka did a fine job to even the odds. Think about it. Even if Doom accepts a game, they have three (powerful) high rankers at their side. If they are allowed to interfere freely, it's over. So he tried to trap them within the rules of the game. If they don't defeat Bam (which i doubt), they have to go one on one with Karaka. If they aren't stronger, good - if they are, so what? He has got his world of darkness and can just absorb their attacks (like he did it with Yuri) and in the worst case, his spell armor saves him. He took the three strongest guys out of the game without doing much and with a really slim chance of him failing (his spell armor being broken). That's smart.
An army full of karaka's? I would gladly take them.......even if they are weaker than him, so what? Again, let's compare them to the Zahard army, because that is what this is all about. The only one they couldn't match would be kallavan. But for him they would have Evankhell or Yama.
Personally, i would find it much lamer if he pulled a "White". Challenging all three of them and using one super attack to destroy them in one fell swoop. But if something goes wrong (someone interfering, like Chunhee or the blue Vice commander), he is out of power and (in the worst case) has still to deal with all three.
Yeah & this hundred of opponents are most likely not able to kill him, unless they have an item strong enough to break his spell (or they are irregulars or conspire with an admin...)
Bam is still quite a few steps away from challenging the likes of Zahard or a family head, so give him some time to assemble his troops. And he already has got Yuri or evan on his side. Garam could be another one.
But even now, he got Evan, Karaka, Evankhell, Hansung, all underlings from Karaka and his own guide section (a lot of them seem to work together, so quite a few they work for Bam right now) maybe Yama (&Doom & Paul ?).
Possible: Yuri, Garam, FUG, Urek (?) & gustang (?), Leero ro (?),......
It will of course depend on how it plays out. I think the story has shown us Gado and Paul are close, and Gado can barely live through waking Yama. It's not too much to imagine Karaka being stronger than those two - armor or not.
Doom is the wild card. I imagine he's probably stronger than Karaka, but again that's only with his fang(s). It seems a de-fanged Doom is on par or possibly even weaker than Karaka.
Let me put it another way. HR can mean 1-1000. There is actually a lot of room. Let's say Karaka is arbitrarily 500. If Gado/Paul (and all other pups besides Yama and Doom) are, say, 600 and up - that's great. HRs are still HRs - welcome to team Baam.
But going up against the top 300, 200, and breaking into the 100s (like possibly Kallavan and tens and tens of other super-HRs)? They simply won't matter.
It just almost seems like Yama alone is enough. Kind of like Evankhell would be if she would go all-out (and stop bouncing around presently...). Yama is worth 100's of dog-kin high and advanced rankers it seems. Again, he alone is worth the price of admission.
Look, I'm not against the harem Baam is building. Your list looks good - don't forget whoever EVK is busy recruiting (the mysterious 'Gus'), Enne if she can be jail-broken with/by Yuri, Gustang's crew if it comes to that, Garam's cohorts, Wingtree peeps, other FUG recruits, etc.
That is good to set up a larger-scale war.
But at the end of the day - as much as I like the Yuri's and Karaka's and YHS's and possibly more dog-kin like Paul - the only ones that will really turn the tide are the likes of Evankhell, Urek, Yama alongside Baam of course (and Enne?). Urek aside (he won't kill Zahard and probably not even a FH) that's not good enough. Adori alone could probably punk Yama and Evankhell together. Who knows what monsters are in the top 50, 40, 30, 20.... Zahard's army is undoubtedly massive even if Baam had 20 HRs that don't break into the top 50 and below.
I mean it's possible Arie H. Zahard could one-shot everyone around Baam other than Urek by her solo self. Who knows what titans the other princesses present as.
And, yes, for context I do know I'm slightly salty that Baam is 'only' going to add HR's to his army lol. I'm just saying not all HR's are the same as the HR's that Baam will be facing moving forward...
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Oh, and Jinsung if he's still in fighting shape if/when they jail-break him.
I know, my issue is not with the plot itself because this makes sense... I am annoyed because this leaves some ambiguity regarding how strong bam is in regards to a ranker. For all we know the priest bam fought is at a fraction of his power without his canine transformation. Add to that him having his ass kicked earlier.
It will of course depend on how it plays out. I think the story has shown us Gado and Paul are close, and Gado can barely live through waking Yama. It's not too much to imagine Karaka being stronger than those two - armor or not.
Doom is the wild card. I imagine he's probably stronger than Karaka, but again that's only with his fang(s). It seems a de-fanged Doom is on par or possibly even weaker than Karaka.
Let me put it another way. HR can mean 1-1000. There is actually a lot of room. Let's say Karaka is arbitrarily 500. If Gado/Paul (and all other pups besides Yama and Doom) are, say, 600 and up - that's great. HRs are still HRs - welcome to team Baam.
But going up against the top 300, 200, and breaking into the 100s (like possibly Kallavan and tens and tens of other super-HRs)? They simply won't matter.
It just almost seems like Yama alone is enough. Kind of like Evankhell would be if she would go all-out (and stop bouncing around presently...). Yama is worth 100's of dog-kin high and advanced rankers it seems. Again, he alone is worth the price of admission.
Look, I'm not against the harem Baam is building. Your list looks good - don't forget whoever EVK is busy recruiting (the mysterious 'Gus'), Enne if she can be jail-broken with/by Yuri, Gustang's crew if it comes to that, Garam's cohorts, Wingtree peeps, other FUG recruits, etc.
That is good to set up a larger-scale war.
But at the end of the day - as much as I like the Yuri's and Karaka's and YHS's and possibly more dog-kin like Paul - the only ones that will really turn the tide are the likes of Evankhell, Urek, Yama alongside Baam of course (and Enne?). Urek aside (he won't kill Zahard and probably not even a FH) that's not good enough. Adori alone could probably punk Yama and Evankhell together. Who knows what monsters are in the top 50, 40, 30, 20.... Zahard's army is undoubtedly massive even if Baam had 20 HRs that don't break into the top 50 and below.
I mean it's possible Arie H. Zahard could one-shot everyone around Baam other than Urek by her solo self. Who knows what titans the other princesses present as.
And, yes, for context I do know I'm slightly salty that Baam is 'only' going to add HR's to his army lol. I'm just saying not all HR's are the same as the HR's that Baam will be facing moving forward...
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Oh, and Jinsung if he's still in fighting shape if/when they jail-break him.
But we know too little to really judge them. First of all, do we know that Gado used his full transformations to wake him up? If he is smart, the answer is yes. But if he is too arrogant as well, the answer could be no. Or maybe he hid a trump card from Yama, because he was already betraying him.
Don't get me wrong, i have been defending Karaka & his abilities for quite a long time now, he is one of my favourite characters and i have no doubt that he is more than capable. But we know simply nothing about Gado, Paul's or Doom's fighting power. We know that Gado beat the crap out of Cazon, but that doesn't help either, since we don't know where Cazon is in terms of power compared to, let's say Chunhee. And even with the "lower high rankers", the power difference can be immense. Look at Hansung. Chunhee played with him. Yuri played with Chunhee. And so on. But Chunhee isn't "useless", at least usefull enough to be in charge of one division of the 4th corps of Zahard's army. Zahard is supposed to be the epidome of military might, so that says a lot.
Let's put it to Karaka's perspective: He doesn't know either. Since he is focused towards the goal at hand, he doesn't gamble. He plays it the way he is sure to succeed. In this scenario, he could simply beat them one by one and everything is fine. But if he can't do that, he still wins (if Khun and his friend do their part). That right there is the main difference between him and White. He plays it save. Which makes him way more dangerous (in my opinion).
I am also not sure, but was it said that Bam has to stay there? Or is it within the rules when he follows them to participate in the fang stealing game? If it is within the rules, it's another smart move to make a gamble into a sure win.
They will always matter, because the other side has "minions" as well. If they wouldn't matter, there would be no need for them. Not for Zahard, not for FUG. Or an army of the real world as well.
Just look at the current situation - Doom seems not confident in him, Paul & Gado taking out Yama right now. But he seems confident enough if he has got his fang & the control over all those "minions". So minions do seem to matter. It's all about their numbers. Recruit a few guys from the "top league" as well and you have your army.
For the "super Hr's", he should have Yama or (if he grows enough) Karaka or Yuri or the rest of the slayers (if they submit). At the very least he should have Luslec.
There is also quite the possibility of Enne, if she get's released, to fight with / for Bam. And so on. There are quite a few very powerful beings that are really pissed at Zahard. If someone that could actually win pops up (Bam with his full thorn/irregular power), i am sure that a lot of really strong guys are going to join forces with him.
And i let Jinsung on purpose out, because i am completely unsure as to how his story will go.
Edit: didn't saw that you already put enne up. Plus i wanna clarify why i see a possibility for Karaka or Yuri (or Rak or Khun or...) to play a huge role - we don't know how many years will pass til the end battle. Or how many more upgrades will come their way.
I think Enne and other top dogs stuff will came later on.
The courrent setting makes us beleive that as soon as the Yama thing wrap up, they'll go face kallavan.
In that sense his backup would be Baam's regular teamates, Evankhell/Hansug (if they survive the elder), whoever Evankhell recuited before being intercepted, the dogkin, karaka and his minions.
I also can see some younger people from another fug factions who would put their their fate on Viole as a way to have a go against the Zahard empire (some people has to be tired of only laying low and doing marginal things around the edge), although maybe that's already the people who Evankhell was recruiting.
Also, there's a card to be played that is whatever Zahard's army is doing, Evankhell said that they were awfully quiet... and we know tha snake guy and his "boss" are up to something.
You must be joking, he never waver against anybody but Gustang, how did you arrive to that conclusion?
A weakling?
To whom did he lose to? Kallavan? Yuri? Or you mean the time when he got apprehended?
Strange
There was never a time in the webcomic that Karaka shown his full combat ability, there also was never a time in the webcomic that Jinsung shown his full combat ability
A pity some would take that as a sign of weakness and incompetency
Jinsung showed his full potential against Kallavan and lost. Karaka lost against Urek Manzino who clearly gauged his power to be less than 1% of Ureks power. There is no way Karaka could have won against Gustang. Karaka also lost to Yuri a couple of times. why would he lose willingly? Power wise Karaka is weak but his regeneration thing is whats saving him
I think Enne and other top dogs stuff will came later on.
The courrent setting makes us beleive that as soon as the Yama thing wrap up, they'll go face kallavan.
In that sense his backup would be Baam's regular teamates, Evankhell/Hansug (if they survive the elder), whoever Evankhell recuited before being intercepted, the dogkin, karaka and his minions.
I also can see some younger people from another fug factions who would put their their fate on Viole as a way to have a go against the Zahard empire (some people has to be tired of only laying low and doing marginal things around the edge), although maybe that's already the people who Evankhell was recruiting.
Also, there's a card to be played that is whatever Zahard's army is doing, Evankhell said that they were awfully quiet... and we know tha snake guy and his "boss" are up to something.
But we know too little to really judge them. First of all, do we know that Gado used his full transformations to wake him up? If he is smart, the answer is yes. But if he is too arrogant as well, the answer could be no. Or maybe he hid a trump card from Yama, because he was already betraying him.
Don't get me wrong, i have been defending Karaka & his abilities for quite a long time now, he is one of my favourite characters and i have no doubt that he is more than capable. But we know simply nothing about Gado, Paul's or Doom's fighting power. We know that Gado beat the crap out of Cazon, but that doesn't help either, since we don't know where Cazon is in terms of power compared to, let's say Chunhee. And even with the "lower high rankers", the power difference can be immense. Look at Hansung. Chunhee played with him. Yuri played with Chunhee. And so on. But Chunhee isn't "useless", at least usefull enough to be in charge of one division of the 4th corps of Zahard's army. Zahard is supposed to be the epidome of military might, so that says a lot.
Let's put it to Karaka's perspective: He doesn't know either. Since he is focused towards the goal at hand, he doesn't gamble. He plays it the way he is sure to succeed. In this scenario, he could simply beat them one by one and everything is fine. But if he can't do that, he still wins (if Khun and his friend do their part). That right there is the main difference between him and White. He plays it save. Which makes him way more dangerous (in my opinion).
I am also not sure, but was it said that Bam has to stay there? Or is it within the rules when he follows them to participate in the fang stealing game? If it is within the rules, it's another smart move to make a gamble into a sure win.
They will always matter, because the other side has "minions" as well. If they wouldn't matter, there would be no need for them. Not for Zahard, not for FUG. Or an army of the real world as well.
Just look at the current situation - Doom seems not confident in him, Paul & Gado taking out Yama right now. But he seems confident enough if he has got his fang & the control over all those "minions". So minions do seem to matter. It's all about their numbers. Recruit a few guys from the "top league" as well and you have your army.
For the "super Hr's", he should have Yama or (if he grows enough) Karaka or Yuri or the rest of the slayers (if they submit). At the very least he should have Luslec.
There is also quite the possibility of Enne, if she get's released, to fight with / for Bam. And so on. There are quite a few very powerful beings that are really pissed at Zahard. If someone that could actually win pops up (Bam with his full thorn/irregular power), i am sure that a lot of really strong guys are going to join forces with him.
And i let Jinsung on purpose out, because i am completely unsure as to how his story will go.
Edit: didn't saw that you already put enne up. Plus i wanna clarify why i see a possibility for Karaka or Yuri (or Rak or Khun or...) to play a huge role - we don't know how many years will pass til the end battle. Or how many more upgrades will come their way.
I think the strength of Zahard Army comes from its commanders. The 4 commanders plus Adori and the RED commander have to be beasts. lets not forget the princesses... Just from the wikia we have a total of 24 so far. And the princesses introduced so far are some of the strongest characters even as regulars.
Karaka is the new Jinsung Ha, from hated to a fan favorite. I can see Jinsung Ha dying during the rescue arc (Ace D Portgas style) Baam and Karaka both unleashing hell right after.
since when jinsung lost to kallavan ? lol he lost because of Masherany who attacked him from behind, he was beating kallavan with the technique that pierce him...
if they are comparable to guys of the Zahard army, they are far from being average. Not sure if they are, but that's the whole point of recruting Yama and his forces.
