Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2019] - Discussion and TOC Talk

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It's very easy to avoid talking about the actual topic when a person out of nowhere comes to the thread and says "you don't know how the industry works" when this thread exists for the sole purpose of said industry and magazine. :story

If you want to talk about the editors being blamed for why Higuma or any series get cancelled, then lets.

First question to you. Where's your proof that the mangaka followed what the editor told him to follow? Did the mangaka out right come out stating he listened too much to the editor and not his ideas?
Just like how RainSpectre assumes that S8 is completely unfiltered when in reality it could even be the product of multiple editors getting involved and fixing the story elements over the 2 year period prior to serialization. A lot of these arguments are based on assumptions which people are trying to portray as "facts".
Okay, so what if a volume or two shows some unseen character that was gonna be introduced later on? Every series has that. The character Shinji from Bleach was visualized by Kubo years before he actually debuted the character. Things change as story progresses. Chances are if the series survived, it might've gone a completely different route with different characters.

It's been well established AND documented that mangaka have free choice about whether or not they should take the advice of editors.
Quick example. Again going to Kubo because I was a Bleach fanatic at one point and Kubo has been vocal about his experiences. Kubo's first series "Zombie Powder", he publicly stated how he listened to his editor's ideas instead of putting faith into his own ideas and how when it came to Bleach, he stuck to what HE wanted to do. If you're saying that editors can pressurize newbies then they can pressurize returning failed mangaka (who have already had a series axed)even more.

Stop putting the blame on the editor. The main person behind a story is the mangaka. The mangaka has a choice on whether or not to listen to his/her editor's opinions, read fan mail and take ideas from there, study patterns from ongoing or completed series and take elements from those. And most importantly, like someone mentioned, mangaka can ask for a different editor.
A lot of people like to put the blame for Bleach's later issues on the feet of Kubo's editors, even though the much simpler answer is a case of over-ambition and focusing too much on the stuff which didn't matter (giving virtually every character a proper fight) verses what actually did (the plot).

So, no epilogue for HZ?

I hope we see Fujimaki in the next batch.
Not sure why Fujimaki would be back so soon, not when his dream project crumbled before his eyes.
 

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They teased Matsui's next project in one of the episodes of Korosensei Quest (the crossover with his other series) which aired over 2 years ago. Every time a new round comes without him I feel a little sad.
 

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So everyone, how would you rank the 6 newbies so far (Saiyuki, Yui, Samurai 8, Taisei, Beast and Tokyo Shinobi) by your enjoyment?
 

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So everyone, how would you rank the 6 newbies so far (Saiyuki, Yui, Samurai 8, Taisei, Beast and Tokyo Shinobi) by your enjoyment?
Saiyuki
Tokyo shinobi squad
Kamio yui
Double taisei
Beast children
Samurai 8
 

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The only ones I'm still reading are Beast Children and Samurai 8 and I'd rank them in that order.
 

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So everyone, how would you rank the 6 newbies so far (Saiyuki, Yui, Samurai 8, Taisei, Beast and Tokyo Shinobi) by your enjoyment?
Since I have my cup of sports manga with Haikyuu... Tokyo Shinobi and the rest, I don't care, Samurai 8's first chapter did not convince me at all.
 

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Only one I'm still reading from the new series is Taisei, which is most likely just delaying the inevitable at this point.
 

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Sin-En Resist Cure has been axed by Jump+ and Ultra Jump (co-serialization) after 11 chapters and catastrophic sales (1st day Shoseki rank for Vol 1 was a #464). Vol 2 to release in September. Another one bites the dust.

My ranking of newbies would be (though I am not high on any of these)
Beast Children

*way down* (close to dropping Tokyo, which starts to bore me and would have placed at #1 in the beginning, and Samurai 8 is improving a bit but not yet there)
Samurai 8
Tokyo Shinobi Squad

*dropped*
Saigo no Saiyuki
Kamio Yui wa Kami wo Yui
Futari no Taisei
 

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So everyone, how would you rank the 6 newbies so far (Saiyuki, Yui, Samurai 8, Taisei, Beast and Tokyo Shinobi) by your enjoyment?
Saiyuki
Taisei
Samurai 8
Beast Children
Tokyo Shinobi
Yui Kamio
 

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They teased Matsui's next project in one of the episodes of Korosensei Quest (the crossover with his other series) which aired over 2 years ago. Every time a new round comes without him I feel a little sad.
Wonder if he will serialize either Rikon Choutei or Tokyo Department War Memoir, or possibly come up with anything new
 

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So everyone, how would you rank the 6 newbies so far (Saiyuki, Yui, Samurai 8, Taisei, Beast and Tokyo Shinobi) by your enjoyment?
I haven't read Saiyuki or Yui yet, but:

Tokyo Shinobi Squad
Beast Children
Samurai 8
Double Taisei

There are things I don't like about even my top pick, and Samurai 8 + Double Taisei are at the "not enjoying" cutoff point right now.

Hi everybody. This thread has been a really cool and informative way to follow WSJ over the past while, so I've finally made an account. Nice to meet you all!
 

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I haven't read Saiyuki or Yuki yet, but:

Tokyo Shinobi Squad
Beast Children
Samurai 8
Double Taisei

There are things I don't like about even my top pick, and Samurai 8 + Double Taisei are at the "not enjoying" cutoff point right now.

Hi everybody. This thread has been a really cool and informative way to follow WSJ over the past while, so I've finally made an account. Nice to meet you all!
Welcome! Nice to meet you too!
 

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Of the six, Saiyuki is the only one where I really felt potential. While it's failure is understandable, I feel like it's the one case where something was very genuinely lost.

Yui Kamio was a certified mess. Shiibashi delivered a setup with zero plot development and stakes, then did nothing to develop it until a baffling turn into horror battle manga which is not only hardly unique for Jump, but did nothing but alienate whatever fans I imagine the manga had.

Double Taisei is a serious case of "What the hell were you thinking?" with a fairly basic premise that quickly spun off into bizarre and outright nonsensical turns. Even without that, the games being depicted were given far too little detail to be understandable to anyone not intensely familiar with shogi, meaning it lacked any kind of audience to grab.

Beast Children tried, but it's a case of trying way too hard to follow the leader. Nearly everything in it was copied wholesale from Haikyu, and it did virtually nothing to make it distinctive or striking as its own work.

Tokyo Shinobi Squad had some potential with its setting and ideas, but unfortunately it devolved far too quickly into repetitive villain of the week scenarios without any ongoing narrative. The attempts at social commentary felt half-hearted as well.

As for Samurai 8...ugh, I know some people are liking it, but I feel like no matter what it just feels unappealing. The slow pace, the vague setting, the flat characters, it all goes together to make the manga feel like one which would be not in the position it is were it not for nepotism.
 

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As for Samurai 8...ugh, I know some people are liking it, but I feel like no matter what it just feels unappealing. The slow pace, the vague setting, the flat character
Speak for yourself
 

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So everyone, how would you rank the 6 newbies so far (Saiyuki, Yui, Samurai 8, Taisei, Beast and Tokyo Shinobi) by your enjoyment?
1. The Last Saiyuki
2. Beast Children
3. Samurai 8
4. Tokyo Shinobi Squad
5. Yui Kamio
6. Double Taisei

TSS should be last place because it's both uninspired and completely incompetent in what unoriginal concept it's trying to do but I'm placing it higher because it's kinda fun riffing on the terrible dialogue and badly structured action-scenes.
Yui Kamio was fun at first but really lost me after the shift, while Sam8 seems to slowly find it's footing.
Beast Children is a decent sports series so far, though it really should to step on the gas and introduce the team properly. I do think, however, that it MIGHT get some leeway and survive till the end of the year, because it could get pushed with the Rugby World Cup happening in Japan this September.
 
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