Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2019] - Discussion and TOC Talk

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Wanted to talk a little about a phenomenon that almost nobody mentions: we read a lot that Jump sold in 1994 +5 million copies. Then that after Dragon Ball and Slam Dunk ended, it lost tons of readers and WSM became the top magazine for first time since 1980. And then magically we see Jump getting a huge lead over Magazine again in 00s, so I wanted to analyze this in 3 parts. Ironically, this ''dark'' period of Jump is where some of its TITAN titles (One Piece, Naruto) begin.

First thing first, Jump copies throught years (until 2005):

I think we are currently at 1,70?

Ok, now the comparison between magazines:

You can see here perfectly the year WSM overtakes Jump: 1997. AND the year Jump recovers back 1st place: 2002.

Let's analyze briefly 3 periods:

Pre 1997.
-Jump roster is composed by Kenshin, Hoshin Engi, JoJo Part 5, Sexy Commando, Midori no Makibao, NuBe, Hareluya II BOY, Tottemo Luckyman, and Captain Tsubasa World Youth-hen. Yu-gi-oh has begun in 1996. Meanwhile, Yu Yu hakusho has ended in 1994, Dragon Ball has ended in 1995, Slam Dunk in 1996, and Dragon Quest Dai no Daiboken has ended in 1996 too. Rokudenashi Blues ends at beginning of 1997 too.

-WSM is literally Hajime no Ippo, Kindaichi Case Files, Boys Be, Shoot!, Chameleon, and Shonan Junai Gumi (which ends in 1996 but the other 3 will last until 2001). WSM legacy in 80s was also pretty small, basically Mister Ajikko.

1997-2002 period:
-Except Hoshin Engi and Yu-gi-oh, rest of Jump titles end in 1997-1999 period. What new titles appear in Jump? I's, One Piece, Takeshi, Rookies, Whistle!, Shaman King, Hikaru no Go, Prince of Tennis, and Naruto. With this roster one thinks: how in Earth WSM achieved 1st place?
-WSM got GTO in 1997, then Love Hina in 1998, and then Get Backers, Rave and Samurai Deeper Kyo in 1999 and Sakigake Cromatie High School in 2000. It seems these titles got really git (specially GTO in the short term. Meanwhile, Naruto for example, started climbing up in 2001-2002.

Post 2002 period:
-One Piece gets quickly consolidated but as I said before, Naruto lasted until 2002 to become a hit. Jump got JoJo Part 6 in 2000, Bleach in 2001 (which also lasted some time to become a big hit), and then Eyeshield21 and Ichigo 100% in 2002, and 2004 would later be the year of Gintama, Death Note, etc. But it was in 2002 when Jump overtook WSM. I think the reason is One Piece was already consolidated as the ''next Dragon Ball'', HxH was gaining popularity, and Naruto and Bleach were getting consolidated as part of the Big 3, while Prince of Tennis and Eyeshield21 were also getting high and Yu-gi-oh was in its climax.
-And what about WSM? GTO ended in 2002, Love Hina in 2001, Kindaichi in 2000, and Boys Be in 2001. Rave lasted until 2005 and Get Backers until 2007 though. What new titles did WSM get in that period? Air Gear and School Rumble in 2002, and Negima, Tsubasa Sakura Chronicles, and Ahiru no Sora in 2003.

Jump overtook WSM, and then the manga global changing situation happened in which all magazines lost readers. WSM got Sayonara Zetsuboso-sensei, Fairy Tail, Ace of Diamond, Yankee-kun to Megane-chan, The Knight of the Area, and Baby Steps in the 2005-2007 period, but it wasn't enough to close the gap that Jump opened thanks to One Piece, Naruto, Bleach, Death Note, etc becoming huge hits. In that 2005-2007 period, Jump just only got To Love-Ru, Sket Dance and Neuro as hits for example, but the old guard was enough.

And after that WSM lost traction continuously (10s WSM hits can be resumed in Nanatsu, 5toubun, Ace of Diamond II, Yamada-kun, and A Silent Voice,, and maybe the Seo stuff (A Town Where You Live and Fuuka); while Jump got Kuroko no Basket, Assassination Classroom, Haikyuu, Shokugeki, Hero Academia, Neverland, Kimetsu, etc).

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I'm still sad this sold poorly, definitely my most saddening ax since I've been following the magazine. I really hope the author comes back with the next big ecchi romcom. The artwork is really nice, comedy is solid, and the occasional serious scenes were pretty detailed and moving. Once Yuuna concludes in WSJ, I hope he'll come back
 

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David's main problem is it started with 2 chapters of just pee jokes. That doesn't give a good impression of what the rest of the series will be like.

I do hope we get a new gag manga next batch though, Japan's 2 new chapters made me miss having one every week, even if they're not top quality they're still nice to have.
 

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This gives me hope for HZ's final volume having an epilogue of some sort.
I hope the same. Hinomaru final chapter was for me more like a second to last chaper than a last chapter, so I'm expecting an epilogue happening as extra.
 

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One of the most hype battle shonens and adventure series out there so yeah...
Rain has actually been reading Toriko and he just finished the PAIR arc. His impressions were mostly positive up to that point but apparently he despised the PAIR arc.

Like, I get that arc wasn't for everyone. Hell, Fornever even insulted Toriko fans about it when they dared to suggest that Toriko was better than Fairy Tail.

I do think it's interesting that he didn't like it, since it was the most silly arc in the series. This kinda ties in with the gag commentary, IMO. Although, I'm not sure if the PAIR arc would qualify as a gag arc.
 

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Rain has actually been reading Toriko and he just finished the PAIR arc. His impressions were mostly positive up to that point but apparently he despised the PAIR arc.

Like, I get that arc wasn't for everyone. Hell, Fornever even insulted Toriko fans about it when they dared to suggest that Toriko was better than Fairy Tail.

I do think it's interesting that he didn't like it, since it was the most silly arc in the series. This kinda ties in with the gag commentary, IMO. Although, I'm not sure if the PAIR arc would qualify as a gag arc.
Yea he told me too but I took it with a grain of salt since he's a known liar. I encouraged him on the off chance he wasn't lying.

Toriko got roasted a lot for that I remember lol. A lot of the roast came from people who didnt read the series tbh. Toriko has always been that goofy so I dont get the criticisms for the premise. The last time Toriko got roasted hard was not making the top 30 sales in 2014, which was funny because it came in #31 for 2014.

I loved the PAIR arc, comedy was nice and the training was cool. It reminded me of Kinnikuman in some ways with the wrestling moves even though it turned into a hilarious dance after. The arc manages to be funny yet serious which I love. I remember how hype chapter 303 was and it still is for me. It was mainly narrations and gave me HxH vibes. Overall the arc was creative and funny. I would qualify it as a rescue/training arc really, even if there was a lot of humor in it. There was that one asspull with Yun but aside from that I had no issues with the arc. I honestly liked the PAIR arc more than AIR.
 

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Yea he told me too but I took it with a grain of salt since he's a known liar. I encouraged him on the off chance he wasn't lying.
No, he's actually reading through the series. We've been discussing it on discord. I can attest to him telling the truth, at least.

I loved the PAIR arc, comedy was nice and the training was cool. It reminded me of Kinnikuman in some ways with the wrestling moves even though it turned into a hilarious dance after. The arc manages to be funny yet serious which I love. I remember how hype chapter 303 was and it still is for me. Overall the arc was creative and funny. I would qualify it as a rescue/training arc really, even if there was a lot of humor in it. There was that one asspull with Yun but aside from that I had no issues with the arc. I honestly liked the PAIR arc more than AIR.
I, too, really loved the arc, Bambina was just really entertaining. The blink chapter was one of the most hype chapters in the series. That's when you knew Toriko wasn't fucking around, when even BLINKING could lose you fights.
 

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I don't like Toriko very much, because I got tired of it really quick (I read around 5 volumes, I think), and later impressions further disencouraged me (a lot of people including friends hated the final arcs, iirc), but "it's goofy" and "Jump pushed it too much" are definitely unfair criticisms.
 

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I don't like Toriko very much, because I got tired of it really quick (I read around 5 volumes, I think), and later impressions further disencouraged me (a lot of people including friends hated the final arcs, iirc), but "it's goofy" and "Jump pushed it too much" are definitely unfair criticisms.
I dropped it around the same point (I think I was volume 4 though) I hadn't talked to anyone about it I just found it really boring.
 

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I don't like Toriko very much, because I got tired of it really quick (I read around 5 volumes, I think), and later impressions further disencouraged me (a lot of people including friends hated the final arcs, iirc), but "it's goofy" and "Jump pushed it too much" are definitely unfair criticisms.
Final arc was good, however, getting to the final arc wasn't good at all. It rushed too much but the ending of Toriko was very nice, I'm very satisfied with it. Its one of the better endings Ive read in WSJ.

Although if you got tired of Toriko at that point I don't think you would enjoy the rest tbh
 

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I always tell people to give Toriko a chance at least until you finish the Century Soup arc. After that point, if you're not enjoying it, you can safely drop it.
 

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I'll be always mad that in Toriko we didn't see almost nothing of the Deer King and practically nothing about NEWS ;_;
We all are. A lot of world building skipped and he even went as far to tease that the characters got some development.
I wanted to see a EARTH arc. The cave that ages you very fast was something I wanted to see so badly and see Sunny/Livebearer speedrun through that lol.

We did get to see Deer King fight tho at the end. He got some time to shine iirc.
 
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TBH, and bringing the crappy Jump Force to discussion, I'm still amazed, shocked, and sad that they didn't include Toriko in the roster. Heck, in the previous Jump fighting game (the 45th anniversary for 2013), Toriko was one of main characters together with Goku and Luffy. So it amazes me Toriko has been completely removed for Jump Force and that he also isn't in the potential DLC list.
 

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It sucks that a lot was skipped/rushed, but I don't blame Shima for that. It's obvious they told him he had a limited number of chapters left. Hell, the last chapter was basically Shima saying: "See all this, these were all going to be future plot points, but since I'm getting canned, here they are."

I swear to God man, I'm never going to forgive Japan for Toriko dying off like it did.
 
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