Chapter Tower of God Chapter 443 Spoilers & Discussion

[Jack Van Burace]

Lmao.

---

I thought the Elder stopped Doom with reverse flow control but he actually cursed him? I'm lost as to what the elder wants now.

Seems like Yeon FH got her power from two ancients. Since the Yeon are known for their flame it kinda means she was way weaker without it, what's her current ranking again? I'm surprised she'd need it as an irregular. Also if her power is from an ancient does it mean ancients (not their descendants) were as powerful as the irregulars ?
If I remember well Evankhell is only a descendant of an ancient (prob the one who gifted the flame of destruction to Yeon) and should not have the power of one then. Rak was believed to be a descendant as well by Data Khun but could it be that he's actually an ancient and doesn't know about it? His race seems to have been pretty much isolated and I think it's possible his race is 'pure' meaning he could have the potential to be as strong as an irregular.

Also iirc Woon Yeon had both flames since he was able to hurt people with his flames and only later decided to use it to heal. Since he lost all his power is it possible Khun has both now? This guy is getting too many power ups

Imo Aguero might have inherited only a portion of the Hammer's Power. Exactly the healing part. Although we did see him setting fire to a target when discovering his Power, he might have 3 Shinsoo Nature uses by now then.

 

[Painmaker]

I wonder why the elder did not use that cursed spell in Yama instead of Doom.... Win Win

 

[EternalWinter]

I am kinda confused, is evankhel saying she has yeon flame? I am not sure why else the yeon's flame would be relevant here other than to exposit about aguero's powers but it really wouldn't make sense for evankhel to do that. Perhaps that is the reason evankhel's orb is special though... It contains yeon flame of destruction.

Its kinda interesting to think that hana probably has both flames though. Her having such capacity to support her peers is remarkable. I gotta wonder if aguero actually has both types of flames... The hammer seemed to be good for destruction so it would make sense if aguero has the capacity to use both flames.

Yeon got her flames from an ancient one, potentially even Evank

 

[Urek123]

Hana must have a flame of her own

 

[kkck]

I think Evankhell was comparing the most powerful fire Shinsoo of the Tower. Both Yeon fires and her own. Yihwa is likely the example of Yeon's destructive flame. Aguero of the healing one. And Evankhell has the flame of origin, kind of like Amaterasu, a type of fire that can burn anything, something prolly more powerful since It likely comes from a powerful being Native to the Tower.

Rak's rocks aren't common rocks, they shine White and are likely stronger. Evk's fire being a special flame would make sense. All of Native One's elementals should be above regular elemental Shinsoo use. I think Yeon fire is special both that It has 2 possible natures and by the intensity they can use It.

Makes sense that Evankhell mentions It since Yeon fire is the most notorious one, while nobody knows about her Flames. Comparing to the most famous ones makes perfect sense imo.

I still kinda get the impression that it is the same flame overall as it all comes from native ones or something. I suppose it is possible that native ones had different types of flames though. I could still see the scenario where the combined all saver and all destroyer make up the flame of origin and yeon descendants get either type or both.

now that I think about it, this probably means evankhel fights basically like a weaker yeon. Yeon is a fisherman and a wave controller... Two positions which seem to fit evankhel all too well.

 

[Jack Van Burace]

I still kinda get the impression that it is the same flame overall as it all comes from native ones or something. I suppose it is possible that native ones had different types of flames though. I could still see the scenario where the combined all saver and all destroyer make up the flame of origin and yeon descendants get either type or both.

now that I think about it, this probably means evankhel fights basically like a weaker yeon. Yeon is a fisherman and a wave controller... Two positions which seem to fit evankhel all too well.

I agree, Evankhell might only be weaker than Yeon Hana cause Evankhell's Blood is likely a much thinner version of the Native One's parts.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

I wonder why the elder did not use that cursed spell in Yama instead of Doom.... Win Win

The elder mentions Doom's HEART of all things... this is what the spell is focused on.

The elder had a role in setting up the events, so probably had access to the heart that went into Ding Dong, which is now in Doom (Ding Dong Doom... Fin Fang Foom..... where was I?). Cursed/rigged the heart for when it was set to later go in Doom, now can control Doom, who can in turn control doggos.

The elder never had this access to Yama or his heart. (unless the elder made the trio way back)

 

[link to the past]

Unless something totally unexpected happens this should sum up soon. Like Bam waking up and attacking everyone at full power indiscriminately or Elder pulling some strings that will turn the tide of the fight even against Yama plus Evankhell.

 

[BladeFist]

I'm a bit confused... Evankhell stating that yeons flames are alldestroying and then saying her own flames can destroy things in the most basic level, doesn't that sound like evankhell might be from the Yeon family?

Also, i'm under the impresion that Baam got connected to Doom while he was trying to convert Baam into a dogkin, and Baam is adamantly trying to save Den Deng's Heart, so it could be posible for Baam to still be trying to save the Heart in someway and the Elder realized the Connection between the two and is sort of affraid that Baam may actually absorb Doom and become the new source of the Dogkin power, since Baam is like a Blue Whale it's not imposible at all, also Baam's natural control over Shinsoo is so powerfull that even Urek relied on Baam for support while fighting the Red Trhyssa.
If that were to be possible, then for the Elder, having Baam to keep growing would be a much better option than just having Doom live, since Baam has already accumulated two throns,blue demon, red thryssa and his own very mysterious control over shinsoo wich has been said to be on the same level as administrators and even possibly Enryu. If that was the scenario, Baam would be a much better weapon in killng Zahard and since he is also quite naive and good willed, could be manipulated much easier than doom.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[kkck]

I'm a bit confused... Evankhell stating that yeons flames are alldestroying and then saying her own flames can destroy things in the most basic level, doesn't that sound like evankhell might be from the Yeon family?

Also, i'm under the impresion that Baam got connected to Doom while he was trying to convert Baam into a dogkin, and Baam is adamantly trying to save Den Deng's Heart, so it could be posible for Baam to still be trying to save the Heart in someway and the Elder realized the Connection between the two and is sort of affraid that Baam may actually absorb Doom and become the new source of the Dogkin power, since Baam is like a Blue Whale it's not imposible at all, also Baam's natural control over Shinsoo is so powerfull that even Urek relied on Baam for support while fighting the Red Trhyssa.
If that were to be possible, then for the Elder, having Baam to keep growing would be a much better option than just having Doom live, since Baam has already accumulated two throns,blue demon, red thryssa and his own very mysterious control over shinsoo wich has been said to be on the same level as administrators and even possibly Enryu. If that was the scenario, Baam would be a much better weapon in killng Zahard and since he is also quite naive and good willed, could be manipulated much easier than doom.

Just my 2 cents.

The main point seems to be that evankhel's and yeon's flames have a common origin: native ones. With the yeon having being gifted the flames while evankhel was probably simply born with them. It sounds reasonable that perhaps the yeon had flame related shinsoo qualities to begin with though.

From what I can tell the issue here is that bam seemingly started devouring doom's own power. It doesn't sound likely that bam will be a dog person on his own though. Bam has way too much weird stuff inside him to suddenly change race now. Here is a better alternative though: As we know bam has the ability to devour things and through that become stronger. Now comes doom who has the ability to share his canine powers.... what if through the pieces of power that bam absorbed from doom he also gains the ability to share his own power with others? Without necessarily making them into dog people. Bam will essentially have the ability to collect power from his enemies and distribute them among his allies. Bam is up against zahard and at least most of the family heads so far, if he can give to his allies powers then they can become much stronger much more quickly and bam desperately needs stronger allies as time goes by. I am of the idea that bam will probably devour kallavan's essence of bravery.... but bam is not really much of a physical fighter, most of his feats around that are either with the floral butterfly (which is to say, not even a shred of a physical feat) or against enemies so weak that physically overpowering is not really a feat ( mad dogs). but if he can take the essence and, say, give it to aguero or androsi, people with excellent physical specks, then bam can start getting the ranker level friends he needs. Give or take a few training arcs.

There is also the issue of black march. bam devoured the black march, a piece to the key of the tower. If bam can't currently puke it out then there is a chance that the key itself can't actually be completed right now.

 

[BladeFist]

Yeah, you are right, if Yeon's flame comes from the ancient, Evankhel's flames could have the same origin, but that would place Evankhel in a power position near to that of the FH. Interesting.

I didn't mean to say that Baam would turn into a Dogkin, but rather to absorb Doom's power and sustain the Dogkin race, that way they could dispose of Doom. Also, that could alow Baam to save Deng Deng's Heart, whom already fell in love with Baam (Goddamn reverse Harem) and stated he wanted to climb the tower with him. Baam absorbing Doom's Power trough establishing a connection with Deng Deng's will/soul, wich could reside on Doom's heart could be a way to climb the tower together and also keep the dogkin race.

If Baam is able to take the essence of bravery from Kallavan, Endorsi would be the best choice in my opinion.

I had totally forgotten the black march and also White's Souls.... And his Sworn Enemy.... Jesus dude....

 

[One Peace]

Baam being able to share his power with his friends like Doom (minus mind control) would be cool yes. After all Zahard is already doing that with princesses, there's evidence to think Lopobia does so as well (D,Y,P), and Gustang might be doing it as well. If Baam is gonna have a powerful faction that will fight Zahard off, I think he needs a way to raise his own faction's power. Gifting them with some of his power and blessings (like his immunity to spells or talent for shinsoo manipulation/learning fast) would be a good way to up significantly his friends' power.

Btw random thought but I wonder what would happen if White ate Doom: would he get his powers or would he just grow in strength? Could he do like Baam if Doom tried to force his power into him?

---
Speaking about mad dogs, how come they're all regulars? Iirc we haven't seen a ranker mad dog (I'd expect them to be the top executives of Yama) even tho they're the peak of Yama's underlings. Regular Mad Dogs have bodies that can compete with Princesses of Zahard so a ranker one would be pretty strong. Or are Mad Dogs recent enough that there are no rankers among them yet?
--

I'm thinking maybe it's deng deng that will inherit Doom's power instead. SIU already put lots of effort into his backstory (even tho no one cared) so I think he'll want to keep that character around. His chara design is ugly af but that'd be a good way to have deng deng be relevant.

 

[Vitala]

That is why confused translation can misguide all a sub, where did you guys saw native one mentionned in that translation, it was said by adios that yeon received her power from two ancients flames, alldestroyer and allsaver,it doesn't said she recived it from a natives one, anyway it will be a letdown if hana received her powers from a native one, irregulars will be no special anymore, the new special of the story are natives one if even irregular needs them to receive their powers.
Anyway now that the name ancient is mentionned everyone assume it's already a native one.
SIU said there are many ancient races in the tower, the natives one are not the only ancients, soon we will hear that they created the tower.

 

[One Peace]

Native ones are the descendants of the ancients iirc, so they are not the ancients themselves. It seems reasonable that they'd be weaker. The descendants of the 10 FH are in general way weaker than the 10 FH for instance.

But now I am confused. "Yeon Family head was gifted by the ancients two fires" could mean either "Yeon Family head was gifted by the two ancient fires" or "Yeon Family head was gifted two fires by the ancients". However where would these ancient fires come from if not from an ancient? I still think the ancients gifted them to Yeon and that's why Evankhell brought it out. Maybe we'll get a new trans of that part that will clarify things or Siu will add more in his blogpost and/or next chap.
Someone should ask adios on discord if they can check this part of the chap.

 

[kkck]

Yeah, you are right, if Yeon's flame comes from the ancient, Evankhel's flames could have the same origin, but that would place Evankhel in a power position near to that of the FH. Interesting.

I didn't mean to say that Baam would turn into a Dogkin, but rather to absorb Doom's power and sustain the Dogkin race, that way they could dispose of Doom. Also, that could alow Baam to save Deng Deng's Heart, whom already fell in love with Baam (Goddamn reverse Harem) and stated he wanted to climb the tower with him. Baam absorbing Doom's Power trough establishing a connection with Deng Deng's will/soul, wich could reside on Doom's heart could be a way to climb the tower together and also keep the dogkin race.

If Baam is able to take the essence of bravery from Kallavan, Endorsi would be the best choice in my opinion.

I had totally forgotten the black march and also White's Souls.... And his Sworn Enemy.... Jesus dude....

It'd place evankhel's flames in the same tier as hana's flames but there is still the consideration that there should be a difference between how evankhel wields the flames and how someone extremely more powerful than evankhel wields them. I'd venture the guess that hana being both a fisherman and a wave controller could probably just beat evankhel with her fists.

I got that, I just find the scenario generally weird. Bam's already halfway there to turning into a cronenberg monster when using his revolution, he doesn't need to arbitrarily grow dog parts out of anywhere or be more dog like. It's also too convenient that he'd get to support the canine folk in that way without being a canine himself. hence my idea... which would allow bam to essentially devour doom's power and then simply choose a new alpha. Along with getting a better way to upgrade his own teammates should they choose to accept the power.

Agreed, endorsi definitely has the best specks for it. Her own ridiculously op shinsoo quality combined with the essence of bravery would make her a force to be reckoned with at all ranges.

Yep... Out of those I'd say the plot only requires bam to get rid of the black march, assuming it can't be used as a key nowadays, and the souls, which ideally would get to pass on or something.

 

[Vitala]

Native ones are the descendants of the ancients iirc, so they are not the ancients themselves. It seems reasonable that they'd be weaker. The descendants of the 10 FH are in general way weaker than the 10 FH for instance.

But now I am confused. "Yeon Family head was gifted by the ancients two fires" could mean either "Yeon Family head was gifted by the two ancient fires" or "Yeon Family head was gifted two fires by the ancients". However where would these ancient fires come from if not from an ancient? I still think the ancients gifted them to Yeon and that's why Evankhell brought it out. Maybe we'll get a new trans of that part that will clarify things or Siu will add more in his blogpost and/or next chap.

Natives one are not the descendant of the ancients, they are the descendant of that giant the one, masceth is an ancient inhabitants of the tower, is he a native one too or luslec ? They are all prezahard.

I don't think you korean better than adios, even line translator bot doesn't know either , he said yeon FH was gifted by the ancient two fires, thoes fire can be sentient being like koon fire fish who has a conscience on its own. Now you want to turn adioskorea translation to suit your agenda about the FH receiving her fire from a natives one .
Oh non so now people can just recive their power from an ancient ? I guess we will hear soon that even eduan attributes come from an ancient.

 

[One Peace]

Natives one are not the descendant of the ancients, they are the descendant of that giant the one, masceth is an ancient inhabitants of the tower, is he a native one too or luslec ? They are all prezahard.

I don't think you korean better than adios, even line translator bot doesn't know either , he said yeon FH was gifted by the ancient two fires, thoes fire can be sentient being like koon fire fish who has a conscience on its own. Now you want to turn adioskorea translation to suit your agenda about the FH receiving her fire from a natives one .
Oh non so now people can just recive their power from an ancient ? I guess we will hear soon that even eduan attributes come from an ancient.

It's wrong. In chapter 376 Data Khun says that the Native One are the descendants of an ancient, that he also calls a giant.

I didn't say I know korean better than Adios. I don't know korean at all. But Adios (not a bot and certainly not me) translated it as "Yeon Family head was gifted by the ancientS two fires" not "the ancient two fires" or "the two ancient fires".
I never said a native one granted their fire to Yeon. But an ancient, from whom the native ones descend. And whether you like it or not Yeon received her fire from an external source, be it an ancient or something else.

It was said (or implied) Eduan discovered his attribute with the little gadget he gave Baam and cie so no ancient involved here don't worry.

 

[Madelin]

Hmm

Evk can't be nearly equal in term of power to YH. YH received the power directly while EVK might have been numerous descendent of the native one.

Capische?

Oh both of their power should originate from single ancient albeit the power is in many form/quality/attribute.

Baam giving power while koon too can temporarily boost power? That's one way to make the story cringe right there

 

[King Dryst]

Baam giving power while koon too can temporarily boost power? That's one way to make the story cringe right there

No kidding. I am going to loathe it so, so much if SIU has Baam start gifting power to his friends. His power should be his power and no-one else's.

 

[kkck]

No kidding. I am going to loathe it so, so much if SIU has Baam start gifting power to his friends. His power should be his power and no-one else's.

if bam gifts his friends with power then its no longer bam's power though. And at this point i'd welcome anything that makes bam less likely to become a cronenberg monster.