Discussion Sanji Discussion Thread

[Shasha23]

Your chosing to ignore that there are 2 Yonko in play and it's my own fantasy?

King is not a top 2 threat. Your ridiculous.

Do you understand what im saying here or not?
Ill say this for the last time, the SH will fight the BP and the number 2 of the BP is King!
Luffy and Crew came to fight Kiado and crew and they will, the main villian of this arc is Kaido and his Crew not Linlin!

 

[Pirate Queen]

Do you understand what im saying here or not?
Ill say this for the last time, the SH will fight the BP and the number 2 of the BP is King!
Luffy and Crew came to fight Kiado and crew and they will, the main villian of this arc is Kaido and his Crew not Linlin!

You can repeat yourself as much as you want, it doesnt sound any less retarded.

Kaido is not the only obstacle in their way now that Big Mom is also on Wano.

 

[Shasha23]

You can repeat yourself as much as you want, it doesnt sound any less retarded.

Kaido is not the only obstacle in their way now that Big Mom is also on Wano.

How much do you want to bet Linlin will be a none factor in this fight(against the SH)?

 

[Pirate Queen]

How much do you want to bet Linlin will be a none factor in this fight?

I'm down for a little bet. You lose you have to change your profile pic to a picture of Sanji and if I lose I have to change it to a picture of Sabo

 

[Shasha23]

I'm down for a little bet. You lose you have to change your profile pic to a picture of Sanji and if I lose I have to change it to a picture of Sabo

Ok if i lose ill change to Sanji and when you lose you will change to Usopp

 

[Pirate Queen]

I'm down for a little bet. You lose you have to change your profile pic to a picture of Sanji and if I lose I have to change it to a picture of Sabo

Ok if i lose ill change to Sanji and when you lose you will change to Usopp

Ussop is my 3rd favorite sh.

I hate Sabo which is why I said Sabo if I lose. I can change my pic to Ussop if you want tho.

 

[King Moe]

I would love a sky fight between Sanji and King as that be something to see along being unique of fighting. Someone would need to take him if it becomes sky battle and handle his flames after all.

Well right now if Orochi can truly backup his lore, it be Zoro vs Orochi unless Kyoshiro is a true bad guy, but knowing Zoro, he takes vengeance seriously, so Ink if he is willing to let it go and give it to someone else.

 

[nik87]

Hm bakas making bets without me...
Anyway, I think Zoro wont be sharing his final opponent with anyone, he considers that a humiliation.
We have been judging those match-ups based on Luffy and his performance in WCI and if Zoro were to beat a right hand of a Yonko it would make Luffy look bad since he had no answer for both Cracker and Katakuri.

However, Cracker is just bad match-up for Luffy and the main reason why Katakuri was difficult is his future sight.
There is no reason why Zoro wouldn't be able to defeat King by himself as he has been holding back the entire time and afaik, King has no future sight nor a tricky DF, just a physically strong swordsman who probably somehow uses fire and Zoro picked an interest in cuting fire back on Pink Hazard.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Hm bakas making bets without me...
Anyway, I think Zoro wont be sharing his final opponent with anyone, he considers that a humiliation.
We have been judging those match-ups based on Luffy and his performance in WCI and if Zoro were to beat a right hand of a Yonko it would make Luffy look bad since he had no answer for both Cracker and Katakuri.

However, Cracker is just bad match-up for Luffy and the main reason why Katakuri was difficult is his future sight.
There is no reason why Zoro wouldn't be able to defeat King by himself as he has been holding back the entire time and afaik, King has no future sight nor a tricky DF, just a physically strong swordsman who probably somehow uses fire and Zoro picked an interest in cuting fire back on Pink Hazard.

If Zoro came out and defeated King when Cracker and Katakuri gave Luffy trouble is not important because the odds are Zoro would be getting stronger during the COURSE of the fight.

IF (and big if) Sanji solos Queen, it doesnt mean Sanji is ALREADY Queen Level.

The worse thing to probably come our if it is cry babies having to deal with the "ZoRo WaS StRoNgEr ThAn LufFy PoSt TiMeSkiP" and Zoro fans actually believing that.

Since this is a Sanji based thread I wanna focus on Sanji.

If Sanji solos Queen, it does not mean he was stronger than Luffy since the Time Skip.

He just hasn't had a battle where going all out was an option, thus hasn't been able to grow

 

[Fox666]

I would expect Zoro or Sanji to loose a few times until they could fight the All-Stars.

 

[King Moe]

I would expect Zoro or Sanji to loose a few times until they could fight the All-Stars.

Idk. Losing a fight hurt chances more for final battles. Sanji need to be 100% or close if he is taking an YC in the future. He also train himself like others to prepare for epic battles ahead especially Fire Festival which he might have one of major key roles given his fire attribute and RS perhaps. Already some/many don't think Zoro can take King anymore after Killer fight enforce with his clash with Kyoshiro. Unless he retrains to get better of himself too as arc goes. Though depends on if Oda want Orochi and Kyoshiro not be strong threat for former and double agent on latter on direction Zoro is heading.

 

[Shasha23]

If Sanji solos Queen, it does not mean he was stronger than Luffy since the Time Skip.

He just hasn't had a battle where going all out was an option, thus hasn't been able to grow

That comparison wont work for Sanji since we saw him struggle against weaklings like Vergo and almost killed by Doffy, people who Luffy could solo.

 

[M3J]

Marco gave Neko a message for Luffy. We have yet to see Neko yet, I hope the message a key to when we see Marco and the WBP again

hm, would enough time have passed that Marco could feel it's okay to leave the place for a while?

Hm bakas making bets without me...
Anyway, I think Zoro wont be sharing his final opponent with anyone, he considers that a humiliation.
We have been judging those match-ups based on Luffy and his performance in WCI and if Zoro were to beat a right hand of a Yonko it would make Luffy look bad since he had no answer for both Cracker and Katakuri.

However, Cracker is just bad match-up for Luffy and the main reason why Katakuri was difficult is his future sight.
There is no reason why Zoro wouldn't be able to defeat King by himself as he has been holding back the entire time and afaik, King has no future sight nor a tricky DF, just a physically strong swordsman who probably somehow uses fire and Zoro picked an interest in cuting fire back on Pink Hazard.

How would it? Luffy used strategy to beat Cracker, and he improved in battle and beat Katakuri (even though katakuri seemingly lost on purpose). If King fought very similar to Cracker or Katakuri, then I'd agree, but it looks like he doesn't, as you imply/say.

 

[nik87]

How would it? Luffy used strategy to beat Cracker, and he improved in battle and beat Katakuri (even though katakuri seemingly lost on purpose). If King fought very similar to Cracker or Katakuri, then I'd agree, but it looks like he doesn't, as you imply/say.

How would it make Luffy look weaker? By taking out the right hand of a Yonko without help.
Not sure what you mean with strategy because he had no answer by himself, Nami was crucial in that battle and credits to Cracker for jumping inside his stomach and making a bullet out of himself.
I am sure you know how I feel about Katakuri battle and the main point is that Brulee helped him in the most crucial moment of the battle.
If King utilizes fire somehow, he will also be a tricky opponent to deal with and he looks more lethal than Cracker and Katakuri.

 

[King Moe]

That comparison wont work for Sanji since we saw him struggle against weaklings like Vergo and almost killed by Doffy, people who Luffy could solo.

You do know characters can get stronger since then? They aren't same lvls. Plus Vergo issue is old and debunk. Sanji can handle him 100% if it wasn't for Law switching. Idk why keep bringing that up and that characters won't train and get stronger each arc.

 

[Shasha23]

You do know characters can get stronger since then? They aren't same lvls. Plus Vergo issue is old and debunk. Sanji can handle him 100% if it wasn't for Law switching. Idk why keep bringing that up and that characters won't train and get stronger each arc.

Do you know how to read or follow a conversation?

 

[M3J]

How would it make Luffy look weaker? By taking out the right hand of a Yonko without help.
Not sure what you mean with strategy because he had no answer by himself, Nami was crucial in that battle and credits to Cracker for jumping inside his stomach and making a bullet out of himself.
I am sure you know how I feel about Katakuri battle and the main point is that Brulee helped him in the most crucial moment of the battle.
If King utilizes fire somehow, he will also be a tricky opponent to deal with and he looks more lethal than Cracker and Katakuri.

That's the thing though, as you pointed out, different fighting styles. Luffy could struggle with Katakuri but still have an easier time with King just because King's fighting style suits Luffy more, or Zoro could lose to Katakuri but still be able to beat King just because of Future Sight.

Didn't Luffy come up with bouncing Cracker back towards his hard biscuits to take him out? He told Nami to stop getting the biscuits wet and weak for the plan.

 

[nik87]

That's the thing though, as you pointed out, different fighting styles. Luffy could struggle with Katakuri but still have an easier time with King just because King's fighting style suits Luffy more, or Zoro could lose to Katakuri but still be able to beat King just because of Future Sight.

Didn't Luffy come up with bouncing Cracker back towards his hard biscuits to take him out? He told Nami to stop getting the biscuits wet and weak for the plan.

If King was the first RHM of a Yonko that Luffy faced, he wouldnt have Future Sight at the end of the battle to help him.
Thing is, King's fighting style doesnt fit him more since he is a swordsman and a Zoan who can handle his hits better than Katakuri and if there is fire involved he cant learn to cut it which Zoro potentially can.
Zoro would have a hard time against Katakuri due to FS yes but it is possible that he can lower the advantage with Asura but it depends if it is a mode or just a one move.
Yes, Luffy said to keep the biscuits dry but that was when the fight was already over, before Cracker jumped into his stomach he couldnt land a single hit on him.

 

[M3J]

Yeah, and if we pretend Asura is just a move, then there's nothing wrong in Luffy being able to take on Katakuri but not King, while Zoro would probably beat King but not Katakuri.

What? How was the fight already over when they were still fighting and could go longer?

 

[Deleted member 169696]

How you guys can be so sure King doesn't have future sight? Well, maybe future sight is too much given that we've spent so many chapters witnessing Luffy struggling against this particular ability, but what about other tricky abilities/skills?

Look at Queen, at first glance just a dinosaur, but then we were introduced to his virus weapon arsenal.

Btw, I just thought of something and maybe I'm not the first one to get this idea... But... If Sanji happens to fight Queen at the end of this arc... Could it be that Queen viruses somehow activate Sanji's dormant Vinsmoke genes? Viruses can change genome, correct?

I'm just thinking, maybe he wasn't a failure but the very opposite of that. It's just that they couldn't see changes in him because he got all of the genetic benefits and they sorta conflicted with one another so they didn't activate? Sounds confusing?

I mean, he could potentially get Yonji's strength, Reiju's whatever ability she has (I assume poison invulnerability is from her DF), Niji's electricity and Ichiji's explosions. And become OP af lol.