One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Shasha23]

Zoro has never taken the force of a point blank King Kong Gun with enough force to level a town and bring it collapsing on top of itself.

Closest hes got was taking all of Luffy's damage and exhaustion PRE timeskip. Not even close to raw physical damage of a King Kong Punch.

Now, give me proof Zoro could sustain damage like that, knowing full well he passed out from an unfortunate stab in the shoulder(which I admit he would not have gotten of he wasnt distracted)

Zoro has taken attacks from Mihawk, Kizaru, Fujitora and Kuma and he didnt get OHKO like Doffy, there is no way Doffy can take those attacks and be OK

The attack from Killer didnt get his shoulder but punctured his lung, its pretty clear to see from the panel.

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There's no doubt Zoro can tank hits. But we are talking about current Zoro not pre TS feats.

Also, since when did Fujitora slash Zoro?
Can you post a panel?

It still doesnt take away from the fact Zoro was tanking Yonkou level attacks back in east blue and he wasnt OHKO by them (Mihawk)
Doffy couldnt even take 5 hits from Luffy without getting knocked out while Zoro took Yoru unguarded and was still awake after!

Why you asking me about Fujitora slashing Zoro?
I cant post things that dont exist!

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

Zoro has taken attacks from Mihawk, Kizaru, Fujitora and Kuma and he didnt get OHKO like Doffy, there is no way Doffy can take those attacks and be OK

The attack from Killer didnt get his shoulder but punctured his lung, its pretty clear to see from the panel.

There is yes way Doffy can take those attacks and be okay. He did stitch himself up after Law's OP move.

Are you comparing Law's strongest attacks to basic slash from Mihawk? Or random Lazer shots from Kizaru? Or a slash from Killer who's below Law?

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Zoro has taken attacks from Mihawk, Kizaru, Fujitora and Kuma and he didnt get OHKO like Doffy, there is no way Doffy can take those attacks and be OK

The attack from Killer didnt get his shoulder but punctured his lung, its pretty clear to see from the panel.

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It still doesnt take away from the fact Zoro was tanking Yonkou level attacks back in east blue and he wasnt OHKO by them (Mihawk)
Doffy couldnt even take 5 hits from Luffy without getting knocked out while Zoro took Yoru unguarded and was still awake after!

Why you asking me about Fujitora slashing Zoro?
I cant post things that dont exist!

You said it yourself that Zoro tanked an attack from Fujitora. That's why I'm asking.

 

[Shasha23]

There is yes way Doffy can take those attacks and be okay. He did stitch himself up after Law's OP move.

Are you comparing Law's strongest attacks to basic slash from Mihawk? Or random Lazer shots from Kizaru? Or a slash from Killer who's below Law?

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You said it yourself that Zoro tanked an attack from Fujitora. That's why I'm asking.

Mihawk casual moves are far stronger than anything Dressrosa Law and Luffy could dish out!

I said Zoro tanked an attack from Fujitora never said anything about a slash, and if you must know Zoro got attacked by Fujitora's depths of hell gravity move and took it like a champ.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

It still doesnt take away from the fact Zoro was tanking Yonkou level attacks back in east blue and he wasnt OHKO by them (Mihawk)
Doffy couldnt even take 5 hits from Luffy without getting knocked out while Zoro took Yoru unguarded and was still awake after!

Zoro was only alive because Mihawk deemed him so. He purposefully made sure Zoro will not die after that slash. Geez.

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You should be praising Mihawk, not fanboying Zoro

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Mihawk casual moves are far stronger than anything Dressrosa Law and Luffy could dish out!

I said Zoro tanked an attack from Fujitora never said anything about a slash, and if you must know Zoro got attacked by Fujitora's depths of hell gravity move and took it like a champ.

Oh! Thought you meant slash since that's what I began with using the Killer scenario.

 

[Shasha23]

Zoro was only alive because Mihawk deemed him so. He purposefully made sure Zoro will not die after that slash. Geez.

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You should be praising Mihawk, not fanboying Zoro

Nope the reason Mihaawk said "dont rush to death young lad" was because of Zoro's pride of not stepping back when he was almost stabbed in the heart, Mihawk was having an internal dialog because he didnt was Zoro doing something like trying to trow away his life, he wanted him to become stronger and challenge him!

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

Nope the reason Mihaawk said "dont rush to death young lad" was because of Zoro's pride of not stepping back when he was almost stabbed in the heart, Mihawk was having an internal dialog because he didnt was Zoro doing something like trying to trow away his life, he wanted him to become stronger and challenge him!

So do you deny that Mihawk wasn't trying to kill him?

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Mihawk casual moves are far stronger than anything Dressrosa Law and Luffy could dish out!

Tell that to Jozu who handled it like piss

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You know that Zoro's goal has more to do with individuals strength than Luffy's goal?
Also you underestimate Mihawk who is stronger than Emperor Shanks at least and if Oden can do to Kaido what he did then Mihawk can for sure do better.

Mihawk begs to differ:

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[Shasha23]

So do you deny that Mihawk wasn't trying to kill him?

He didnt want him to die thats true but he still attacked him with intent of killing, the attack was meant for Zoro to overcome if not he would have died.
And the point still remains that his casual moves are far above Luffy and Law's attacks that put down Doffy.

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Tell that to Jozu who handled it like piss

If only Doffy was as half as decent as Jozu

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

He didnt want him to die thats true but he still attacked him with intent of killing, the attack was meant for Zoro to overcome if not he would have died.
And the point still remains that his casual moves are far above Luffy and Law's attacks that put down Doffy.

And I remind you that Mihawk's casual attack is piss against stronger opponents.
That's a weakling Zoro and Luffy who just began their adventure. Of course a casual attack would be life threatening.
Even a kitchen knife would be death at that point.

Have you easily forgotten this?
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They are nothing like the characters we know them to be right now.

Obviously Mihawk can't battle Zoro with a kitchen knife at this point. He's not a weakling anymore.

Point is: Mihawk never intended to kill Zoro so your argument is moot.
He's alive cos Mihawk wished him be end of discussion.

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He didnt want him to die thats true but he still attacked him with intent of killing, the attack was meant for Zoro to overcome if not he would have died.
And the point still remains that his casual moves are far above Luffy and Law's attacks that put down Doffy.

And I remind you that Mihawk's casual attack is piss against stronger opponents.
That's a weakling Zoro and Luffy who just began their adventure. Of course a casual attack would be life threatening.
Even a kitchen knife would be death at that point.

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They are nothing like the characters we know them to be right now.

Obviously Mihawk can't battle Zoro with a kitchen knife at this point. He's not a weakling anymore.

Point is: Mihawk never intended to kill Zoro so your argument is moot.
He's alive cos Mihawk wished him be end of discussion.

 

[Shasha23]

Mihawk begs to differ:

Yet in that same chapter he arc he calls his strength power ultimate power as if there aren't people stronger than him in the world.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

He didnt want him to die thats true but he still attacked him with intent of killing, the attack was meant for Zoro to overcome if not he would have died.
And the point still remains that his casual moves are far above Luffy and Law's attacks that put down Doffy.

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If only Doffy was as half as decent as Jozu

Oi! Last I remember, Doffy overpowered Jozu in the Marineford so what were you saying?

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Yet in that same chapter he arc he calls his strength power ultimate power as if there aren't people stronger than him in the world.

Don't misunderstand the debate.
It's all about Pirate King is superior to WSS anytime, anyday.
Nik thinks it ain't so, and I'm showing him why it is.

 

[Shasha23]

They are nothing like the characters we know them to be right now.

Obviously Mihawk can't battle Zoro with a kitchen knife at this point. He's not a weakling anymore.

Point is: Mihawk never intended to kill Zoro so your argument is moot.
He's alive cos Mihawk wished him be end of discussion.

He didnt wish for him to die, but he still attacked him with intent to kill, if Zoro didnt leave up to his expectations he would have died from that attack.

Name 2 top tier that Doffy has tanked an attack from and ill conceed this to you if not..............

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Oi! Last I remember, Doffy overpowered Jozu in the Marineford so what were you saying?

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Don't misunderstand the debate.
It's all about Pirate King is superior to WSS anytime, anyday.
Nik thinks it ain't so, and I'm showing him why it is.

He didnt overpower him he just stopped his movements, he did the same to Luffy and still got OHKO'd

PK is not greater than everyone, Roger wasnt the strongest in his time but in the current timeline i believe Pk will be the strongest, unless the editors will stop Oda from making Luffy solo the last antagonist for the sake of continuity.
If it turns out Im-sama is the strongest in the verse i doubt they will let Oda make Luffy solo him because im 120% sure there will be movies after the end and they cant have Luffy being the strongest or the movies would be pointless.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

He didnt wish for him to die, but he still attacked him with intent to kill, if Zoro didnt leave up to his expectations he would have died from that attack.

Name 2 top tier that Doffy has tanked an attack from and ill conceed this to you if not..............

How can someone intend to kill and fail to while apparently making sure his target doesn't die?


Mihawk was the one who slashed Zoro and he knew if Zoro would survive or die. He saw the drive, he liked it, he made sure not to kill him.

Hence he told him:
Know your world, learn blah blah blah, become stronger.

Who says that to someone who he intends to kill?

 

[jaymizzo]

Oda can make all opponents of the arc into swordsmen, conveniently it's only the one guy that conveniently goes to Zoro.

It doesn't conveniently go to Zoro... Its designed to go for him because he is a swordsman looking to fight against other swordsmen. Thats his whole theme, his flashback and his role in the crew.

Who do you expect Zoro to fight?

 

[Shasha23]

How can someone intend to kill and fail to while apparently making sure his target doesn't die?


Mihawk was the one who slashed Zoro and he knew if Zoro would survive or die. He saw the drive, he liked it, he made sure not to kill him.

Hence he told him:
Know your world, learn blah blah blah, become stronger.

Who says that to someone who he intends to kill?

He wasnt making sure he wont die, he was hoping for him not to die from an attack of that level, come on dude!!!!!!

He didnt make sure not to kill him, he hoped he wouldnt die from something like that, BIG difference.

Like i said if Zoro had died that would have been that and he would have proceeded to kill everyone there, but since Zoro didnt disappoint him in dying hes said his words and left.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

PK is not greater than everyone, Roger wasnt the strongest in his time

Pirate king has been stated multiple times in the series to be the most powerful pirate in the world.
He may have equals or rivals, but no one was stronger than Roger. That pretty much is fact.

Name one character who is stronger than Roger and you'd better back it up.

 

[Shasha23]

Pirate king has been stated multiple times in the series to be the most powerful pirate in the world.
He may have equals or rivals, but no one was stronger than Roger. That pretty much is fact.

Name one character who is stronger than Roger and you'd better back it up.

Nope it was stated Roger and Newgate were equals, not Roger was stronger!

"He may have equals or rivals, but no one was stronger than Roger. That pretty much is fact." - Show me a panel saying this, if not its not a fact but your own headcanon!

Whitebeard, show me one panel that says Roger is stronger

 

[jaymizzo]

Pirate king has been stated multiple times in the series to be the most powerful pirate in the world.
He may have equals or rivals, but no one was stronger than Roger. That pretty much is fact.

Name one character who is stronger than Roger and you'd better back it up.

Easy... Zoro. We haven't seen his upper limits and he said he will never lose a fight again.
I dare you to disprove me

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

He wasnt making sure he wont die, he was hoping for him not to die from an attack of that level, come on dude!!!!!!

He didnt make sure not to kill him, he hoped he wouldnt die from something like that, BIG difference.

Like i said if Zoro had died that would have been that and he would have proceeded to kill everyone there, but since Zoro didnt disappoint him in dying hes said his words and left.

If I was Mihawk and I intended to kill, I'd have slashed off Zoro's torso.
But Mihawk's a sucker for kills isn't he?
He can't even end one man's life.
Bravo Mihawk! Bravo!

Since we are only going in circles and this is leading nowhere, there's no need to prolong the discussion any further.

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Nope it was stated Roger and Newgate were equals, not Roger was stronger!

"He may have equals or rivals, but no one was stronger than Roger. That pretty much is fact." - Show me a panel saying this, if not its not a fact but your own headcanon!

Whitebeard, show me one panel that says Roger is stronger

It seems you are not comprehending what I post.
No one was stronger than Roger. I didn't say Roger is stronger than everybody.
He had equals, like Garp, Whitebeard, but none was above him in strength. Simple.

 

[Shasha23]

It seems you are not comprehending what I post.
No one was stronger than Roger. I didn't say Roger is stronger than everybody.
He had equals, like Garp, Whitebeard, but none was above him in strength. Simple.

Pirate king has been stated multiple times in the series to be the most powerful pirate in the world.

This has never been said, its your own headcanon!
By saying "most powerful pirate in the word" you're insinuating he is the most powerful which he isnt!

Garp was never his equal, his equal was Whitebeard and he was NEVER above him!

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You gave up on a lost cause of Doffy now your trying to find a corner in a circle

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

This has never been said, its your own headcanon!
By saying "most powerful pirate in the word" you're insinuating he is the most powerful which he isnt!

Garp was never his equal, his equal was Whitebeard and he was NEVER above him!

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You gave up on a lost cause of Doffy now your trying to find a corner in a circle

I don't know why but I do remember reading in the past about how the Pirate King is the most powerful pirate in the world.
Something about wealth, fame, power. The man who had it all... And then Roger was mentioned.
I still consider him the most powerful though even if you consider it head cannon.

What made you think anyone was arguing about Doffy?
Doffy's name only came up when we (@nik87 especially) were arguing about Luffy and Zoro. How they aren't equals, and rank differently in the power levels.
Like I suspected, you got carried away and now you think Doffy's the focus of the argument.