Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2019] - Discussion and TOC Talk

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It's important to remember Kimetsu wasn't even in the top10 for the first half of 2019, so Neverland has at least 2,3kk of a headstart. And it will still release a new volume before the end of the year, right? And the previous volumes are still selling, even if not close to the same pace as Kimetsu
Neverland should be at 6.5M and Kimetsu is currently at 6.3M
Nope.


So you were just blowing smoke out your butt and didn't know what you're talking about. Good to know,

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Don't use logic against them. They only started caring about Kimetsu's sales about a month ago and they seem to think that no other series have been selling for these past 9 months until Kimetsu got its boost.

You know it might be better to post an argument instead of Nope but guess you don't know what you are talking about.
 

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You know it might be better to post an argument instead of Nope but guess you don't know what you are talking about.
You haven't made an argument at all just guesstimates like this.

Neverland should be at 6.5M and Kimetsu is currently at 6.3M
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It's important to remember Kimetsu wasn't even in the top10 for the first half of 2019, so Neverland has at least 2,3kk of a headstart. And it will still release a new volume before the end of the year, right? And the previous volumes are still selling, even if not close to the same pace as Kimetsu
Logic doesn't work on them unfortunately because apparently every series has promptly stopped selling after August.
 

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You haven't made an argument at all just guesstimates like this.
KNY numbers are very easy to get just use math for every week and add them to 1.5M it sold in the first half and Neverland first half and each week it appeared on the weekly Top series and estimate for the rest since shoseki is available
 

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KNY numbers are very easy to get just use math for every week and add them to 1.5M it sold in the first half and Neverland first half and each week it appeared on the weekly Top series and estimate for the rest since shoseki is available
So like I said you're either bad at math or just blowing air out your butt and people wonder why come the end of the year rankings when numbers come in why they're always wrong.
 

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So like I said you're either bad at math or just blowing air out your butt and people wonder why come the end of the year rankings when numbers come in why they're always wrong.
Share your math then ? also great how you totally ignored the post about you being wrong at KNY sales dropping since august ended.
 

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So like I said you're either bad at math or just blowing air out your butt and people wonder why come the end of the year rankings when numbers come in why they're always wrong.
Yes, but the only difference is that the person who'll be wrong is you, also I like how you ignore the post proving you wrong about KnY's weekly sales
 

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Share your math then ? also great how you totally ignored the post about you being wrong at KNY sales dropping since august ended.
Yes, but the only difference is that the person who'll be wrong is you, also I like how you ignore the post proving you wrong about KnY's weekly sales
Yeah because I deleted my post after seeing my error but you and @Gorilla posted after the fact for whatever reason. Doesn't change the fact that you both were wrong about everything else though and you still haven't owned up to that like how Kimetsu being in the top 30 every week and it selling 350k-400k for a while now?
 

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Seeing this comparation, is this a cliche in japanese scifi, or the typical coincidence because both are shonen and used the same cliche?
 

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I'm sorry, but why does when someone started following sales matter? Gatekeeping at its finest.
 

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I'm sorry, but why does when someone started following sales matter?
It matters when your entire repertuar is only based when that series is relevant and nothing else.
Gatekeeping at its finest.
So? You can discuss anything you want just don't be a dick about it or pass off your own naïvety as others "Gatekeeping".
 

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Yeah because I deleted my post after seeing my error but you and @Gorilla posted after the fact for whatever reason. Doesn't change the fact that you both were wrong about everything else though and you still haven't owned up to that.
I haven't said anything wrong tho… meanwhile all you've been doing is backtracking and changing the subject

You - TPN volumes sell over 17k a week, KnY wont pass it, in fact its only playing catch up

Me - proves you wrong and shows you that KnY in 2 weeks has sold 900k while TPN is under 100k

Also You - "Also ignoring the fact that you're making a comparison between a series with an anime running that just had a reprint weeks ago to a series that ended its anime way back in the beginning of the year."

How does that change my original point lmao, you'll be proven wrong come November anyways
 

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If one started following the sales right now with the same data present everyone has their argument shouldn't be any less valuable than the one of a person who kept up with it before that. It's just unreasonable and elitist. And considering your post history here you should be the last one telling people not to be dicks.
 

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I haven't said anything wrong tho… meanwhile all you've been doing is backtracking and changing the subject
But Kimetsu has already passed every series on the half year list minus TPN, Kingdom and OP, itll pass TPN next week and Kingdom in October when Vol 17 releases
Which is false
No they aren't, TPN doesnt even make the weekly top 10 selling series even though the cutoff has been around 50-60k, because the backlog sales slowed down ages ago, also if it were selling 17k per volume every week it would make the Oricon top 50 list which it doesnt, meanwhile KnY has been selling 350k-400k a week for quite some time now while every volume continues to place in the top 30
Which is false.

You - TPN volumes sell over 17k a week, KnY wont pass it, in fact its only playing catch up

Me - proves you wrong and shows you that KnY in 2 weeks has sold 900k while TPN is under 100k
You compared a series with a reprint and an ongoing anime to one that ended in the beginning of the year in a sales argument while also ignoring how much the series sold during that same period while claiming it's going to surpass it based on nothing.
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If one started following the sales right now with the same data present everyone has their argument shouldn't be any less valuable than the one of a person who kept up with it before that.
Of course it is because 9/10 they don't know what they're talking about and ignore other sources that doesn't fit their claim like @Gorilla and @Aiga have been doing.
It's just unreasonable and elitist. And considering your post history here you should be the last one telling people not to be dicks.
Who are you?
 

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Well, not someone who makes arbitrary restrictions on who is allowed to make sales related arguments at least. If that answers your question.
 

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Well, not someone who makes arbitrary restrictions on who is allowed to make sales related arguments at least. If that answers your question.
No just someone who thinks that just posting about sales data about a series you like automatically makes you an expert on how well it does against others.
 

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Which is false
They're only false because you don't want to believe them, I already told you that I was referring to the daily rankings and if you check now all volumes are still in the top 30, the halfyear sales ranking... its already surpassed Slime, OPM, HQ, AOT, 5toubun, and MHA, it'll pass TPN next week considering its on pace for another 400k week again

"Of course it is because 9/10 they don't know what they're talking about and ignore other sources that doesn't fit their claim like @Gorilla and @Aiga have been doing."

What sources have you brought, you've been speaking out of your ass this whole time

You - KnY is playing catchup, it hasn't beaten the other series on the halfyear list - wrong
You - Every TPN and Kingdom volume does 17k a week on Oricon - wrong
You - KnY doesn't sell 350-400k a week - wrong
You - KnY sales have been declining since August - wrong
 

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Whether Gorilla or Aiga are correct or not doesn't matter. Admiteddly I like Kimetsu so it performing well would be great news for me, #2 behind One Piece would be nice but it doesn't need to happen to make me happy. My problem is simply the toxicity of devaluing their arguments because... they might not have read the series or been up to date with its sales data months ago.
 

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Why do sales discussions always turn to war with Shonen Jump lol. Someone posts sales in Magazine/Sunday/Champion/other Jump magazine threads and the responses are "cool glad to see it's doing well!" or "rip guess it's getting axed"
 

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Seeing this comparation, is this a cliche in japanese scifi, or the typical coincidence because both are shonen and used the same cliche?
I think it makes more sense that way in that the MP experiences something which is unexpected and has his own thoughts about it but then you also need people on the outside to really tell you what really happened or to make comments. The scene how it's portrayed makes us spectators of the fight.
 
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