Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[GL_Nova]

I agree that Wall's Etherion was weaker as the two were using different means to achieve high level explosive, though Wall was using a magic version of Magnetic Confinement Fusion, while MC's Etherion was using some other fusion method. I don't know how destructive would Ellie's Etherion would be when activated when it means "Destroying the planet"

in general

We aren’t given the way the council is fired, and have no reason to assume the spell would be weaker, but since it can’t be weaker than country I don’t think it’s a major deal either way.

He’s the strongest wizard in the world. I see no reason to doubt his assertion, I don’t even see 1 to question it.

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Look in the panel I showed prior. Wall literally says he miscalculated the shot... And that fireball should've exploded on contact from his shirt. Two fails in a single attack lol.

Wall was dominant when he landed multiple hits on Laxus...in succession at that.

A heartless robot was doing a cliche villain monologue instead of killing Laxus right then and there...He also went clinically retarded and stood there for the hit bcs he couldn't analyze a known chemical compound and thought he was safe from it bcs it was lightning. If Wall was actually heartless he would've nuked the entire place and killed Laxus from the go. Laxus has inferior firepower therefore he's inferior.

Man, I'm repeating the same things... Fact of the matter is, Wall was straight PIS from killing Laxus and that was clearly evident in the fight where the robot was not fighting on the caliber he was shown to produce...

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Why the hell is Rave Master even being brought up? That's an entirely different verse... Etherion in FT is vastly different then RM's Etherion which had way more capabilities and applications than just blowing things up. At least stay within the parameters of the verse and not stem into other universes.

Which panel? Cause Laxus is clearly shown barely dodging that nuke while lamenting his body’s current state.

So you’re entire argument hinges on the one barrage he landed when Laxus was clearly feeling the effects of the illness that was minutes from killing him? That’s being dominant to you?

Again, another headcannon rant, hiding as a rebuttal. Fact: Wahl isn’t some random robot who achieved sentience he’s part of a race of machine people. So the presumptions he’s a heartless machine is unfounded. Also Fact: Wahl Didn’t exhibit anything superior to the casual nuke Laxus introduced himself with this arc.

 

[Jko]

We aren’t given the way the council is fired, and have no reason to assume the spell would be weaker, but since it can’t be weaker than country I don’t think it’s a major deal either way.

He’s the strongest wizard in the world. I see no reason to doubt his assertion, I don’t even see 1 to question it.

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Which panel? Cause Laxus is clearly shown barely dodging that nuke while lamenting his body’s current state.

So you’re entire argument hinges on the one barrage he landed when Laxus was clearly feeling the effects of the illness that was minutes from killing him? That’s being dominant to you?

Again, another headcannon rant, hiding as a rebuttal. Fact: Wahl isn’t some random robot who achieved sentience he’s part of a race of machine people. So the presumptions he’s a heartless machine is unfounded. Also Fact: Wahl Didn’t exhibit anything superior to the casual nuke Laxus introduced himself with this arc.

Right under the Kagura panel...like literally right under the Kagura panel. He has to recalibrate his aim bcs of an error...

He was knocking Laxus around the city before the MBPs kicked in.

Fact: Wall went "heartless" mode against Laxus...

Spoiler

"Headcanon"

Fact #2: Wall's nuke encompassed the entire city in AoE and lit the entire sky up which means it is bigger than the one Laxus showed. Fact #3: Etherion is greater than any of Laxus' spells.

Answered all your "facts" now I am out.

 

[WoWfan]

The council fired it from the satellite square high in the sky. We would be given a reason that the two operate differently. And for Rave’s Etherion, we would not know what it means to destroy the planet

 

[GL_Nova]

Right under the Kagura panel...like literally right under the Kagura panel. He has to recalibrate his aim bcs of an error...

He was knocking Laxus around the city before the MBPs kicked in.

Fact: Wall went "heartless" mode against Laxus...

Spoiler

"Headcanon"

Fact #2: Wall's nuke encompassed the entire city in AoE and lit the entire sky up which means it is bigger than the one Laxus showed. Fact #3: Etherion is greater than any of Laxus' spells.

Answered all your "facts" now I am out.

Pretty sure that’s the wrong page. So your assertion is that he missed, not that Laxus dodged? I’ve read this chapter repeatedly since it came out, and the panel I think you’re referring to doesn’t make an argument for him missing that shot. Especially in the context of him doing a system check after transftiming.

1 time. He gets one return punch that sends Laxus flying. If that’s all it takes to be dominating the fight, the opening punch, the lightning blasts, the kick that sent him flying across town after Laxus recovers from his illness for a moment. There are far more examples in this exchange that Laxus was clearly dominating even using your own criteria.

When your rebuttal consists of your opinion of the way it was written and how you would have had the character respond, it’s headcannon.

Fact: He scanned Laxus and gave his assessment of how long he would need to defeat him, and then begins to freak out when he fails to kill him in that time. This does not constitute massive PIS.

2) Do you have a calc to support that? Being as we don’t see the blast from the side we don’t know how tall it is, and Hargeon is not a big town. So what’s this comparison based on?

3) Didn’t you just lose a debate about Etherion vs FL? An other than showing he could cast it, he doesn’t use it (much like Altaris). (If I was just being a dick about it)


Now admittedly I have my own preferences and favorites, but some things happened how they happened. Wahl was not the superior combatant here, though he definitely has a much better showing than most of his contemporaries.

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

"Sting gained the strength of Larcade after eating his magic"

2/10 to this fanfic.

 

[WoWfan]

Well that is how Dragon Slayer Magic works

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

I can't keep up this discussion, but Mirajane is weaker than any rank S from Fairy Tail and weaker than Natsu, Gray and even Gajeel by feats. She isn't beyond any rank S (besides Bacchus and Orga), she is only at the same level of Minerva because Minerva is bad at damage attack and good at defense and Mirajane is the opposite.

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This vision is not because I hate Mirajane. Mirajane is on my top 5 favorite characters from Fairy Tail manga overall. The problem is that Hiro Mashima did not do good fights for her, she was and still constantly reduced.

Right now she is fighting Lucy (who is weaker than her) alongside two people to help her in the fight. What a shame! Mashima put Kyria easily butchering Lucy and Wendy (of course, Lucy and Wendy didn't go with all they maximum but the scene shows that Lucy and Wendy are far away from being able to fight with an opponent that can challenge Erza) and Lucy is doing pretty well in a battle that is 3 against her.

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Well that is how Dragon Slayer Magic works

Yeah, but he only ate two attacks from Larcade and never claimed that he was feeling stronger by the thing that he had ate.

 

[WoWfan]

You don’t have to say it, it is generally shown that he started to actually lay damage on Larcade after eating his attacks. Even like with Gajeel, even before his power up, he did managed to hit Bloodman but none of his attacks were strong enough or showed any damage to him and Bloodman managed to block his attacks too

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

You don’t have to say it, it is generally shown that he started to actually lay damage on Larcade after eating his attacks. Even like with Gajeel, even before his power up, he did managed to hit Bloodman but none of his attacks were strong enough or showed any damage to him and Bloodman managed to block his attacks too

It's no the case. He didn't hurt Larcade even after eating his magic. Sting wasn't strong enough to really hurt Larcade and his magic has no ''damage advantage'' against him like Rogue's shadow. He didn't gain any power for eat Larcade's light. It would be portrayed if he had. It was clearly with Gajeel that he has got strong, even his form changed, lol.

Like I said: 2/10 to the fanfic.

 

[WoWfan]

he did, leaving bruise marks, where he could not before. But that is not enough to put him down as I agree yes, but not absent of injuries. I did not say he had damage advantage, that is against dragons. He gained strength from it, it only portrays if they gained new powers, but that is not exclusively, it is obvious he got stronger after eating Larcade's magic.

It is those details the people tend to miss.

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

he did, leaving bruise marks, where he could not before. But that is not enough to put him down as I agree yes, but not absent of injuries. I did not say he had damage advantage, that is against dragons. He gained strength from it, it only portrays if they gained new powers, but that is not exclusively, it is obvious he got stronger after eating Larcade's magic.

It is those details the people tend to miss.

Nope, you're inventing it.

 

[One4All]

Mira is not even my favorite character lol. And Mira learned to takeover Etherious souls while Macro has never ever worked on Mira. You are not even making any sense. The rest of your post... I won't even go into bcs it's nonsense.

Well,you really can't force your beliefs on me and the same for me to you. I could say the same that your posts about Mira on this thread and ignoring others feats of others are nonsense. There's no ending this,I'm not closing my doors on Mira as the series hasn't ended yet.

 

[WoWfan]

I don’t creating things, I write only what is factually shown in the story

 

[LaGOAT]

Look in the panel I showed prior. Wall literally says he miscalculated the shot... And that fireball should've exploded on contact from his shirt. Two fails in a single attack lol.

Wall was dominant when he landed multiple hits on Laxus...in succession at that.

A heartless robot was doing a cliche villain monologue instead of killing Laxus right then and there...He also went clinically retarded and stood there for the hit bcs he couldn't analyze a known chemical compound and thought he was safe from it bcs it was lightning. If Wall was actually heartless he would've nuked the entire place and killed Laxus from the go. Laxus has inferior firepower therefore he's inferior.

Man, I'm repeating the same things... Fact of the matter is, Wall was straight PIS from killing Laxus and that was clearly evident in the fight where the robot was not fighting on the caliber he was shown to produce...

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Why the hell is Rave Master even being brought up? That's an entirely different verse... Etherion in FT is vastly different then RM's Etherion which had way more capabilities and applications than just blowing things up. At least stay within the parameters of the verse and not stem into other universes.

. Bro I don’t see what ur taking about. Just watch the fight.
Laxus dodge that fireball blast. 2. Wahl was only able hit laxus when his mbp particles got worse. U can clearly see that in the video Laxus was kicking him around the whole town. Wahl couldn’t dodge any of his attack. Nothing would have change if he stood there or not.

 

[WoWfan]

Wall was even able to land hits on Laxus as well even when he was not in pain from MBP. Plus he had no reason to dodge as he was immune to lightning attacks

 

[LaGOAT]

Wall was even able to land hits on Laxus as well even when he was not in pain from MBP. Plus he had no reason to dodge as he was immune to lightning attacks

But yet he needed to go assault mode to compete with a sick Laxus cause he was worry he would lose the upper hand for some1 to immune lighting why so scared? 2.laxus was already in pain it just got worse during the fight

 

[Axiomus]

Madmole was blasted by regular FDK flames, no indication he made them hotter. He just could not finish him with average blunt force. Jacob could still see as he can hit people with his eyes closed, his flaw is not even exclusive in Fairy Tail.

Yes there is. Madmole was blasted by the Fire Dragon King flames in Demolition Fist. Madmole was fully engulfed by those flames, and they did nothing to him. In their rematch, Natsu used FDK purgatory. This attack did more damage than Demolition Fist.

Spoiler: Natsu hitting Madmole with demolition fist

Spoiler: Natsu hitting Madmole with Purgatory

Jacob can't see with his eyes closed. He's relying on his other senses. The anime fillers, which are as canon as Acnologia's backstory because Hiro Mashima had a hand in working with the anime fillers show this. Jacob is literally running into trees after slapping Mirajane without any takeovers. Then Mirajane used Satan Soul, and Jacob ran into one of her punches because he doesn't realize that Mirajane can see his footprints in the grass.

You know what Jacob had to do to prevent Mirajane from beating him up? Literally nothing. All he to do is just stand still in stealth. Maybe try to clap and actually use his transport. He could beat a lot of people this way. He would have beaten Natsu and Lucy if he had just done this. Instead, he constantly foregoes the element of surprise by dropping out of stealth....and then proceeds to try to beat up his enemies by slapping them with hand to hand attacks that can't even seriously damage anybody. This on it's own is bad enough already, but then he takes it a step further and closes his eyes because he can't handle cleavage. Compare this to Wall's greatest moments of PIS. Which is what exactly? Getting one of his attacks dodged by Laxus? Not firing Etherion because the runes could potentially counter it? Not immediately being able to modify his body to become immune to Laxus' red lightning? Even if we consider all of these are major PIS moments that are major drawbacks to Wall's potential, there's still one very simple thing that puts Wall above Jacob in hand to hand combat. Wall can actually hit hard. Even if he misses a few shots and never got around to firing etherion, he hits like a truck every time he connects with his other attacks.

 

[MangerDan]

Lol guess Jacob forgot he’s an assassin and not a hand to hand expert.

 

[WoWfan]

What Natsu used was a blunt force based attack, not pure heat based which is totally different, still nothing stated that he increased his heat. Those flames knocked him out for a while, so they did do much to him, he was burned much more than FDKM plus DF did to Jacob. Those are anime which does not count, only what Hiro stares about Hiro is canon though. Mira could just skower the whole area with one blast and that would make it enough for it to hit Jacob. Jacob literally could still fight despite him closing his eyes. He can’t use transport when he is busy fighting someone so he would not have time to do it. Again, his problem with indécence is not exclusive to him in any verse, do not make it so.

How would you know it wouldn’t hurt Wall? He is analytic type and would then try to use his calculation to estimate his enemies for weaknesses and strengths, so it is his best judgement call to not attack when he was surrounded by runes. Laxus’ red lightning was already connected to wall when Laxus hit him before and during. Also like Jean said it is more of an explosive element to it so it did not have that pure lightning property. Well too bad they are around the same level as each other and are large country

But yet he needed to go assault mode to compete with a sick Laxus cause he was worry he would lose the upper hand for some1 to immune lighting why so scared? 2.laxus was already in pain it just got worse during the fight

That doesn’t really make any sense can Laxus only started getting afflicted after his transformation, even then it was one sided on his part. He was not scared, he just concluded his current persona would allow enemies to exploit. He even stated that despite being infected by MBP, he operates at top condition

 

[Axiomus]

There were flames in that demolition fist. Enough FDK flames to completely engulf Madmole. To suggest that the attack was purely blunt force is to literally ignore the giant fireball that accompanied it. The flames in FDK purgatory were hotter than the flames in FDK demolition fist. It's as simple as that. In what way was Madmole more damaged than Jacob was, lol? Look at their conditions after they were hit. Madmole jumped right back up at Skullion's command. Jacob was out cold and doesn't get up at all. He's out of commission for the rest of the day. Jacob is reduced to his underwear, unconscious, and has his butt up in the air. Natsu could have walked right on over to Jacob and killed him with any manner of attacks. It doesn't even have to be Natsu. Lucy could have beaten up on Jacob's unconscious body. It's not even clear that Natsu can even beat Madmole.

Hiro has been working with the anime team since the 2014 project. The fillers with Mirajane are as canon as Acnologia's backstory. Mirajane didn't beat Jacob with a nuke. She beat him with a single punch in Satan Soul because she was so exhausted after fighting Juliet and Heine. This just shows how bad Jacob's durability actually is. He gets sent flying across the map by Makarov's punches. The passive heat that Natsu releases from his FDK mode is enough to have him on the verge of defeat, and the demolition fist itself knocks him out cold. If Jacob's second opponent was anyone other than Mirajane, he'd be put in the same boat as Neinhart. If Jacob closed his eyes because he couldn't handle looking at Erza's cleavage, and then Jellal oneshots him with Grand Chariot.....We wouldn't even entertain the idea that someone who can face-tank multiple FDK spells is somehow less durable than somebody who is almost defeated just from the passive heat of the mode.

Jacob's hand to hand attacks are nowhere near as strong as Wall. Jacob's hand to hand attacks are nowhere close to building level, let alone country level. If you think Jacob has country level attack power, then you're something else. Wall's etherion has never been proven to be country level either, but that's actually irrelevant. Apparently you think half the people in this series are running around anywhere from country to multi-continental, and I'm not about to go down this rabbit hole gain. What we're talking about here is Wall's average punches. Those punches are most certainly not country level. They're still stronger than Jacob's underwhelming hand to hand attacks though. This single punch here is more impressive than every single attack Jacob has landed on Natsu and Lucy combined.

Spoiler: Wall's punches Laxus