Fantasy Mirajane vs Kyria

[IamtherealMirajane]

Dunno, and yeah, Gray got scrubbed, which is exactly why I think he's coming back for a rematch. Doubt Mashima will leave Gray's record tarnished. Plus Skullion is the front and center antagonist of this arc, doubt Mashima will waste him on a side character like Mira.

I'd say the best case scenario for Mirajane is that she puts up a decent fight against Madmole and Skullion together, but doesn't beat either. Worst case scenario, she, Elfman and Lucy all get scrubbed by Madmole and Skullion at the same time. I'm not sure which scenario is more likely.

I think if Mashima wants Gray to get his revenge he supposed got it on chapter 13 to 16 which did not happen. Unlike Erza and Natsu they got their revenged on Kyria and Madmole. Mashima even used wendy's wind storm to counter skullion's ashes. IF we analyze the direction of the plot it further suggest Mirajane will be one who will beat Skullion. Because if not Skullion will appear in front of Gray not Mirajane. and it was highlighted at end of chapter 35 that Mirajane is really pissed on Skullion for erasing Gemini-Lissana which terrifies Lucy. It will be boring to see gray in another fight since he already beat the The Thunder God Tribe in the last chapter. It will bore the audience to see this character chapter every chapter beating everyone. The last time i check this spin off is about Fairy tail not Gray alone. And to think that this is the perfect timing to highlight some side characters like Mirajane and to prove her worth of being an s-class mage of Fairy tail.

 

[Seven777]

I think if Mashima wants Gray to get his revenge he supposed got it on chapter 13 to 16 which did not happen. Unlike Erza and Natsu they got their revenged on Kyria and Madmole. Mashima even used wendy's wind storm to counter skullion's ashes. IF we analyze the direction of the plot it further suggest Mirajane will be one who will beat Skullion. Because if not Skullion will appear in front of Gray not Mirajane. and it was highlighted at end of chapter 35 that Mirajane is really pissed on Skullion for erasing Gemini-Lissana which terrifies Lucy. It will be boring to see gray in another fight since he already beat the The Thunder God Tribe in the last chapter. It will bore the audience to see this character chapter every chapter beating everyone. The last time i check this spin off is about Fairy tail not Gray alone. And to think that this is the perfect timing to highlight some side characters like Mirajane and to prove her worth of being an s-class mage of Fairy tail.

Highly doubtful, Mirajane just isn't important enough imo. This battle is more than likely a sideshow to prepare Skullion for his rematch with Gray. Mirajane's reason to fight Skullion is also incredibly shallow, I don't see it going anywhere.
As for Gray getting yet another fight, yep, he is a main character, that's how it works. Main characters get all the good fights, side characters like Mira are lucky to get throne a bone every once and a while, and it's very rarely a tasty one.

 

[IamtherealMirajane]

Highly doubtful, Mirajane just isn't important enough imo. This battle is more than likely a sideshow to prepare Skullion for his rematch with Gray. Mirajane's reason to fight Skullion is also incredibly shallow, I don't see it going anywhere.
As for Gray getting yet another fight, yep, he is a main character, that's how it works. Main characters get all the good fights, side characters like Mira are lucky to get throne a bone every once and a while, and it's very rarely a tasty one.

This is not about being important in the story or not just like how sheria who is not even a main character nor a fairy tail member beat Dimaria instead of Wendy in the Alvarez arc.

Look there is nothing under Gray's arsenal (for now) that is effective against Skullion since the only element he has is ice. Unlike Mirajane, Beam , lighting, flames, darkness and so on and so forth. Thats why I thinks she is the person who can take out Skullion.

 

[Seven777]

This is not about being important in the story or not just like how sheria who is not even a main character nor a fairy tail member beat Dimaria instead of Wendy in the Alvarez arc.

Look there is nothing under Gray's arsenal (for now) that is effective against Skullion since the only element he has is ice. Unlike Mirajane, Beam , lighting, flames, darkness and so on and so forth. Thats why I thinks she is the person who can take out Skullion.

Skullion is more important to this arc than Dimaria was to her arc, far more important.

The fact that Gray currently doesn't have anything that we know of that will work on Skullion is all the more reason for him to fight him again, it's an opportunity for character and power growth. Mirajane being the more logical opponent for Skullion doesn't really mean anything. The only scenario I see Mira beating Skullion is if an even greater threat for Gray to face emerges, and that doesn't seem likely at this point in time.

 

[IamtherealMirajane]

Skullion is more important to this arc than Dimaria was to her arc, far more important.

The fact that Gray currently doesn't have anything that we know of that will work on Skullion is all the more reason for him to fight him again, it's an opportunity for character and power growth. Mirajane being the more logical opponent for Skullion doesn't really mean anything. The only scenario I see Mira beating Skullion is if an even greater threat for Gray to face emerges, and that doesn't seem likely at this point in time.

Is Skullion more important than Larcade, which was beaten by Sting in the Alvarez arc.. ( oh by way Larcade is seen as 3rd strongest spriggan below Irene and August) See?

There is nothing suggest that because someone is important it cant be beaten by the side character.

Fairy tail story/ plot is not the usual manga that only major characters can only deal on the major antagonist of the arc.

It will go down on the power that they posses that author can play.

Like for example do you think Erza has any chance againts Seilah in the Tartarus arc? Let me help you to answer this. The answer is No. because only Mirajane was immune to Macro.

And also i think Gray will fight someone in Diabolos who will be introduced in the coming chapters. Only 5 members was shown so far but thats my another theory. Just like how Natsu is fighting Wraith instead of Madmole.

 

[Seven777]

Is Skullion more important than Larcade, which was beaten by Sting in the Alvarez arc.. ( oh by way Larcade is seen as 3rd strongest spriggan below Irene and August) See?

There is nothing suggest that because someone is important it cant be beaten by the side character.

Fairy tail story/ plot is not the usual manga that only major characters can only deal on the major antagonist of the arc.

It will go down on the power that they posses that author can play.

Like for example do you think Erza has any chance againts Seilah in the Tartarus arc? Let me help you to answer this. The answer is No. because only Mirajane was immune to Macro.

And also i think Gray will fight someone in Diabolos who will be introduced in the coming chapters. Only 5 members was shown so far but thats my another theory. Just like how Natsu is fighting Wraith instead of Madmole.

Yes, far more important.

Yes it is, the major antagonists are always dealt with by the MC's. Sometime side characters get to face foes that are as powerful as some of the antagonists, but they're never as important.

No, doesn't change the fact that Seilah is significantly less important than Kyoka, which is why Erza beat her. MC's don't always take on the strongest antagonists, but they do always fight the most important ones.

 

[IamtherealMirajane]

Yes, far more important.

Yes it is, the major antagonists are always dealt with by the MC's. Sometime side characters get to face foes that are as powerful as some of the antagonists, but they're never as important.

No, doesn't change the fact that Seilah is significantly less important than Kyoka, which is why Erza beat her. MC's don't always take on the strongest antagonists, but they do always fight the most important ones.

Are you serious? I repeat Larcade is the 3rd strongest spriggan. The most powerful creation of Zeref. The one stated by Zeref his secret weapon that can possibly defeat Acnologia.

Really answer me?? Who is Skullion in this arc???? He is just acting as the de facto leader of the 3 DE... nothing else. If he died in the next chapter. The plot of the arc still continue. Which means he is not important at all.

The story revolves on the five dragon god. And possibly the white mage.

And Nope Seilah almost choked Erza ( in the red pants) to death. Yes she almost killed Erza. The less important one, the weaker one. And you know why?? Because Erza has no answers to counter the macro.

 

[Seven777]

Are you serious? I repeat Larcade is the 3rd strongest spriggan. The most powerful creation of Zeref. The one stated by Zeref his secret weapon that can possibly defeat Acnologia.

Really answer me?? Who is Skullion in this arc???? He is just acting as the de facto leader of the 3 DE... nothing else. If he died in the next chapter. The plot of the arc still continue. Which means he is not important at all.

The story revolves on the five dragon god. And possibly the white mage.

And Nope Seilah almost choked Erza ( in the red pants) to death. Yes she almost killed Erza. The less important one, the weaker one.

Yep, and he is significantly less important than Skullion. He's a sideshow.

Who is Skullion? No idea. The mystery doesn't detract from his importance, it adds to it. Beyond that, he is the most present villain, which makes him the most important bar perhaps Touka and Ignia. Even the Water Dragon god is far less important than Skullion.

Key word there being almost, and im afraid in this context almost means unimportant, irrelevant, useless, etc. Seilah is far less important than Kyoka, and that's why Erza dealt with her and not Mirajane

 

[IamtherealMirajane]

Yep, and he is significantly less important than Skullion. He's a sideshow.

Who is Skullion? No idea. The mystery doesn't detract from his importance, it adds to it. Beyond that, he is the most present villain, which makes him the most important bar perhaps Touka and Ignia. Even the Water Dragon god is far less important than Skullion.

Key word there being almost, and im afraid in this context almost means unimportant, irrelevant, useless, etc. Seilah is far less important than Kyoka, and that's why Erza dealt with her and not Mirajane

The villain so far is here is the white mage not Skullion. I think by importance level he is comparable to Garou knight's leader nothing else.

Yes Seilah is less important than Kyouka but you cant change the fact. That Erza has no match to Seilah.

 

[Axiomus]

Here's what needs to happen for the plot to move forward:

• The Fairy Tail members need to be knocked out.
• The crystals need to be destroyed.

The Dragon Eaters want both. Also the dragon eaters are vital to the plot of the 100YQ. They are the only real villains we have right now other than Touka. The members of Fairy Tail are going to be taking a backseat as soon as the stuff with Aldoron is sorted out because they can't actually partake in the rest of the quest. The Dragon Eaters will likely be relevant right up until the last God Dragon is dealt with. Skullion in particular is shaping up to be Gray's arch-nemesis for the entire 100YQ, because I doubt anyone from the guild other than Natsu is taking down a god dragon.

As far as Kyria versus Mirajane goes, Kyria is an Erza-level dragon slayer. Kyria tanked Erza's belserion sword. Her yoto benisakura sword is already the sword that allows her to focus all of her magic power into attack power, and Wendy enchanted that sword with dragon slaying powers. Erza also comboed that sword with the flames from flame empress. And yes, Kyria did tank that blow. She was itching to continue fighting after taking that hit. Saying that Mirajane oneshots Kyria is silly talk.

 

[Plutogrim]

Kyria wins this med difficulty.

Mirajane doesn't have any feat that can put Kyria down, whereas Kyrias showed feat that can destroy Mirajane.

 

[Kiki]

Kyria wins this med difficulty.

Mirajane doesn't have any feat that can put Kyria down, whereas Kyrias showed feat that can destroy Mirajane.

but didnt you vote for mira?

 

[Plutogrim]

but didnt you vote for mira?

Lol, yes. But really Kyria would beat the crap out of Mirajane

 

[Vis]

Then answer this questions. Why do you think Macro wouldn't work on Kyria?

When you want to MP as basis

why mest's memory control worked on brandish. When the latter has insane magic power than the former?

Mest's magic works on people stronger than him, the strongest it has worked against is Brandish. That's how NLF works.
You don't go around claiming he can mess up Acnologia's memory just because it worked on Brandish, do you?

Why marin's ( brandish subordinate/ soldier)rule of the area magic cancelled out Jacob's ( a sprrigan) transport magic

Because he can? That's literally his magic, he counters spatial magic users. But the fact that he countered Jacob, doesn't mean he can counter that same magic if it were to be possessed by someone significantly superior to Jacob, i.e. August, Irene, Acnologia, etc.

Macro is a hax magic/curse, i repeat one of the hax magic/curse in fairy tail. It is a curse that use of an absolute control ( key word is absolute) to anyone whether alive, dead or inannimate object is irrelevant. So far only demon's take over is immune to it. Or unless you can do a kagebunshin technique times 100. Because it seems that macro is limited on the numbers that will be affected ( see Mirajane-Seilah vs Alvarez Soldiers)

And not unless stated in the manga that it can be negated because someone has a higher MP. ( I doubt you can you provide one)Then i will believe in you.

Let me ask you a few questions.
Do you think Kain Hikaru can control Acnologia if he were to possess a strand of his hair?
Do you think Aria from Element Four can take out Zeref with Metsu that he used against Makarov?
Do you think Evergreen can turn Igneel to stone with her Stone Eyes?

Because you're claiming that because it's never been shown to be countered, then it must not be something that can be countered.

And by the way, the fact that it was countered by Mirajane's Take Over in the first place already discredits Seilah's claim that it is absolute.
The fact that Seilah ordered herself to tear Mirajane apart and failed to do so should tell you that it is not absolute.

I don't think you understand the weight of the word absolute.

You have any proof it won't? Unless the hax has shown to be defeated by PL then I don't see a reason why it wouldn't work. Seilah used it on Erza and Minerva while in a state where she could get oneshotted by an exhausted Mira.

Same response as above.

 

[WoWfan]

well the weakness of Memory manipulation is awareness just like charm, so if Kyria is not aware of it, then she can't really do anything about it. that is why even powerful magics still have weaknesses, which would at times make the user powerless. Acno is immune to most magics, Zeref is immortal, Depends for Igneel if he doesn't just blitz Evergreen. it is not that Macro isn't absolute, it is because Mira is just that tough to be torn apart by someone of Sayla's caliber, it is not reality warping, just giving commands to things to do.

 

[Vis]

well the weakness of Memory manipulation is awareness just like charm, so if Kyria is not aware of it, then she can't really do anything about it. that is why even powerful magics still have weaknesses, which would at times make the user powerless. Acno is immune to most magics, Zeref is immortal, Depends for Igneel if he doesn't just blitz Evergreen.

So you're saying if Igneel doesn't blitz Evergreen, she would turn him into stone?
Zeref being immortal is irrelevant. Metsu does not kill. Not right away at least.

it is not that Macro isn't absolute, it is because Mira is just that tough to be torn apart by someone of Sayla's caliber, it is not reality warping, just giving commands to things to do.

Like I said, you don't understand the weight the word absolute means.
Cambridge Dictionary definition:
true, right, or the same in all situations and not depending on anything else:

Merriam-Webster Dictionary definition:

• free from imperfection
• being, governed by, or characteristic of a ruler or authority completely free from constitutional or other restraint
• having no restriction, exception, or qualification

If it was absolute as you claim it is, no matter how durable Mirajane is, she would have torn her apart as she ordered herself to do as this should nto have restricted or restrained her to carry out her own command.. You can't redefine the word to suit your own narrative. And the fact is, Seilah did not order herself to try to tear Mirajane apart, she ordered herself to do it. Which she didn't. Conclusively, this means the ability is not absolute.

 

[WoWfan]

A dragon was controlled by some random wizard (Not Future Rogue), it is relevant as Metsu does kill and it doesn't work on something if it can't bypass immortality, even lullaby can't do it. you are thinking that all things in the universe fall under this "absolute" you speak off, the absolute is only applied to the intended target, and you have to understand the meaning behind the phrase she gives to tear her apart, that just means as it says, she is free from imperfection to not tear apart her enemy as in without any flaws where she would not. It is not reality bending power that bypasses durability, just to place commands on something, she was never redefining anything, the narrative is as it is, just to follow a set given order, it is not the absolute order's fault that the enemy is stronger than anticipated to survive said attacks. It only applies to a intended target, not everything in the universe.

 

[Jko]

Mest's magic works on people stronger than him, the strongest it has worked against is Brandish. That's how NLF works.
You don't go around claiming he can mess up Acnologia's memory just because it worked on Brandish, do you?



Because he can? That's literally his magic, he counters spatial magic users. But the fact that he countered Jacob, doesn't mean he can counter that same magic if it were to be possessed by someone significantly superior to Jacob, i.e. August, Irene, Acnologia, etc.



Let me ask you a few questions.
Do you think Kain Hikaru can control Acnologia if he were to possess a strand of his hair?
Do you think Aria from Element Four can take out Zeref with Metsu that he used against Makarov?
Do you think Evergreen can turn Igneel to stone with her Stone Eyes?

Because you're claiming that because it's never been shown to be countered, then it must not be something that can be countered.

And by the way, the fact that it was countered by Mirajane's Take Over in the first place already discredits Seilah's claim that it is absolute.
The fact that Seilah ordered herself to tear Mirajane apart and failed to do so should tell you that it is not absolute.

I don't think you understand the weight of the word absolute.



Same response as above.

You're pulling a strawman argument bro. No one here is on Acnologia's level and Acnologia literally has the ability to resist and eat any form of magic (on top of Dragon Scales which have a resistance to most form of magic) therefore magical hax is practically useless as seen when Eric tried to read his mind with hearing magic, F.Rogue's Dragon Supremacy magic, and lapse in time failed against him. Acno doesn't out PL magic, he is a walking counter to them.

We have seen time and time again that hax has succeeded over PL. Mest -> Brandish, Brandish -> August, Evergreen/Bixlow -> anyone they've faced, Seilah while almost dead used it on bot Seilah and Minvera, Sting's Holy Stigma -> Natsu, Midnight -> Erza/Jellal, Minerva -> SO Erza, ect. Unless the magic is stated to be bypassed by hax then we don't assume otherwise. Her order wasn't Absolute bcs Mira Takeover magic bypasses 9 Demon Curse a.k.a. a counter.

Spoiler: Hax curses have no effect on Mira

She didn't out PL Seilah to bypass the hax, her takeover magic protects her from hax Curses like Macro and Sensation.

 

[Vis]

A dragon was controlled by some random wizard (Not Future Rogue),

The dragons Future Rogue was shown to control were not anything comparable to Igneel.

You did not answer my question.

it is relevant as Metsu does kill and it doesn't work on something if it can't bypass immortality, even lullaby can't do it.

Immortality is one thing, but Metsu literally only almost killed Makarov because his magical power was drained.
The death part is a side effect, not the actual point of the attack.

you are thinking that all things in the universe fall under this "absolute" you speak off,

It is literally the meaning of the word. Believing and understand it is the sensible thing to do. The word absolute falls to that meaning in every single context. You can't give it leeways just because you want it to mean a specific thing.

the absolute is only applied to the intended target, and you have to understand the meaning behind the phrase she gives to tear her apart, that just means as it says, she is free from imperfection to not tear apart her enemy as in without any flaws where she would not. It is not reality bending power that bypasses durability, just to place commands on something, she was never redefining anything, the narrative is as it is, just to follow a set given order, it is not the absolute order's fault that the enemy is stronger than anticipated to survive said attacks. It only applies to a intended target, not everything in the universe.

Macro controls people. You say it's absolute. You can't create your own headcanon here to make excuses. None of what you said here explains why she wasn't able to tear her apart, which was the order she set upon herself. Absolute means no other factors would matter. Mirajane's durability/endurance mattered. Tells you everything tbh.

You're pulling a strawman argument bro. No one here is on Acnologia's level and Acnologia literally has the ability to resist and eat any form of magic (on top of Dragon Scales which have a resistance to most form of magic) therefore magical hax is practically useless as seen when Eric tried to read his mind with hearing magic and lapse in time failed against him. Acno doesn't out PL magic he a walking counter to them.

We have seen time and time again that hax has succeeded over PL. Mest -> Brandish, Brandish -> August, Evergreen/Bixlow -> anyone they've faced, Seilah while almost dead used it on bot Seilah and Minvera, Sting's Holy Stigma -> Natsu, Midnight -> Erza/Jellal, Minerva -> SO Erza, ect. Unless the magic is stated to be bypassed by hax then we don't assume otherwise. Her order wasn't Absolute bcs Mira Takeover magic bypasses 9 Demon Curse a.k.a. a counter.

Spoiler: Hax curses have no effect on Mira

She didn't out PL Seilah to bypass the hax, her takeover magic protects her from hax Curses like Macro and Sensation.

A strawman argument is countering an argument the other person didn't make. You were arguing that it can work against anyone with a higher MP, therefore, you must also believe it could work on anyone on Acnologia's level.

If you don't think it wouldn't work on people on Acnologia's level, say Mercuphobia or Igneel, explain to me why. You can't go both ways. You can't tell me it would work on characters way stronger than Seilah then cave in when characters way stronger than Seilah is brought up.

 

[WoWfan]

Not that it matters, even Dragons are still subject to control. Makarov was not immortal though, and it only is effective if he has large quantities of magic. You are the one trying to assume that absolute Benz reality which it doesn’t, it only makes the person do something without any sort of exception, it doesn’t affect the physical world around it, that’s concept manipulation, and so far it has proven to be absolute, nothing about what you assume makes sense with your headcannon. I did not see it work on any one stronger, just those weaker, so you can’t say it was countered