Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2019] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[animeexpert]

YUUUUUURRRRRRRRRR CHAINSAWMAN COVER? LETS GOOOO

 

[Franz]

It's kinda fanny that SxF and JJK already surpass BC.

Wait a moment.

The first day Jujutsu was higher than BC as well as Soma, but in the following days Black CLover surpassed both.

I wouldn't be surprised if Black CLover gets higher next week.

To say, this is the Shoseki chart of 6th ( the third day of sales):


1. One Piece # 94
2. Kimetsu no Yaiba # 17
3. The Promised Neverland # 16
4. Spy x Family # 2
5. Black Clover # 22
6. Koyoharu Gotouge Short Stories
7. Shokugeki no Soma # 36
8. Jujutsu Kaisen # 7
9. Boruto # 9
11. Chainsawman # 4
13. Yuuna # 18
27. My Hero Academia Data Book
35. Hinomaru Sumo # 27
36. Samurai 8 # 1
40. Samurai 8 # 2


and of 7 (fourth day):

1. One Piece # 94
2. The Promised Neverland # 16
3. Kimetsu no Yaiba # 17
4. Spy x Family # 2
5. Black Clover # 22
6. Shokugeki no Soma # 36
7. Jujutsu Kasien # 7
8. Boruto # 9
28. Chainsawman # 4
32 Yuuna # 18
33. Spy x Family # 1
51. Samurai 8 # 1
53. Hinomaru Sumo # 27
58. Samurai 8 # 2

 

[iamnightwing]

I think those were the sale for Oct 5 and Oct 6, as the one for October 7 has KNY at #2 and TPN at #3 but yeah, BC is above JJK on Oct 7 as well... they might switch places next week... maybe the sales difference is close... can't wait for the volume sales chart....

 

[Heiji]

Shueisha dominates the Top 10 with The Top 8 being Weekly Shonen Jump/Jump+ titles



Oricon Weekly Series Top 10 (30/9 - 6/10)
One Piece
Kimetsu no Yaiba
The Promised Neverland
SPY×FAMILY
Jujutsu Kaisen
Shokugeki no Soma
Black Clover
Gotouge Koyoharu's Short Story Collection
Kaguya-sama wa Kokurasetai
Kingdom

Kimetsu no Yaiba Novel #02 : 86 519 in 4 days.

 

[anime64]

one piece sells are very low imo
KNY will overtake it in the coming weeks

 

[Ebrietas-]

one piece sells are very low imo
KNY will overtake it in the coming weeks

In what world is selling 1,2 million copies in 3 days low?

 

[sakuratt91]

Wait a moment.

The first day Jujutsu was higher than BC as well as Soma, but in the following days Black CLover surpassed both.

I wouldn't be surprised if Black CLover gets higher next week.

To say, this is the Shoseki chart of 6th ( the third day of sales):


1. One Piece # 94
2. Kimetsu no Yaiba # 17
3. The Promised Neverland # 16
4. Spy x Family # 2
5. Black Clover # 22
6. Koyoharu Gotouge Short Stories
7. Shokugeki no Soma # 36
8. Jujutsu Kaisen # 7
9. Boruto # 9
11. Chainsawman # 4
13. Yuuna # 18
27. My Hero Academia Data Book
35. Hinomaru Sumo # 27
36. Samurai 8 # 1
40. Samurai 8 # 2


and of 7 (fourth day):

1. One Piece # 94
2. The Promised Neverland # 16
3. Kimetsu no Yaiba # 17
4. Spy x Family # 2
5. Black Clover # 22
6. Shokugeki no Soma # 36
7. Jujutsu Kasien # 7
8. Boruto # 9
28. Chainsawman # 4
32 Yuuna # 18
33. Spy x Family # 1
51. Samurai 8 # 1
53. Hinomaru Sumo # 27
58. Samurai 8 # 2

This is Oricon Weekly Series Top 10 (30/9 - 6/10). BC is below JJK because of backlog.

 

[Samael Morningstar]

Two questions:

1. If S8 was done by a rookie Mangaka, with less promotion, would the potential sales be a good thing? Hell, even with the same promotion?
2. If S8 gets axed relatively soon, do you think Kishimoto is gonna bat a third time or just retire?

I think Shueisha was hoping that Naruto Fanbase would turnout in larger numbers, but 5 going on 6 years inbetween publications is too long imho. Especially with the amount of good series that popped up between S8 and Naruto that exploded. Maybe if S8 came out in the same span that Edens Zero came out after Fairy Tale, this conversation may have been extremely different.

Hell, even Boruto didn’t benefit from the Naruto fanbase all that much. It’s only as high up as it is due to being apart of the Franchise. The retelling killed alot of its momentum too but I personally still love it.

I don’t level all the blame at Kishi. At worst, he can only be blamed for 2 things: (1)Delivering a story with themes the core audience that Shueisha cares about aren’t interested in and (2)Being preachy in the first couple chepters.

While that is a BIG part of the problem along with Info dumps, Shueisha gassing it up with all that promotion drew more attention to it and drive away more readers. I was optimistic but it seems Kishi + Shueisha as a whole, fumbled S8.

I like it alot, but if it cannot last, I hope Kishi gives 1 last shot at manga making. I just gotta prepare for the worst case scenario.

Well yes the big promotion but the small sale is a bad thing...........
BBUUUTTTT

Strategically this huge promotion is both a boon and a Bane. Here let me break it down for you -

The big advertisement, interviews and pamplets together would have costed more than a 100 million yen and let's say the sales of both the volumes are 30k which would any to around 15 million yen and this is not including the ongoing manga expenses so usually if the series performs just like this forever it would have been axed by volume 5-6 , but the company won't axe it by then in case of samurai 8 because of that HEAVY PROMOTION, since the company won't be taking such a huge loss(promotion costs + ongoing costs) so as to minimize this lose they have to continue it as long as the heavy promotion cost has been earned so till that there extends the time of the manga which gives kishi the time he wanted cause if you remember from what he said from the very beginning "Introducing a new type of manga would be very tough and the information dump would be making the readers bored(which is actually happening as he predicted) so I would like the readers to have some patience so that I can make something really extraordinary" But deep down he knew that the readers won't be that patient , but this promotion cost will give him the time he needed for what he wanted to do so by this it will be a turning point of the series and all these if we consider that the series just does as bad for future volumes like now but it isn't the case since the recent chapters of kishimoto have been really interesting and many new people are interested in it so yes........ It was all a mastermind strategy from the very beginning.
Hope it helps.

 

[sakuratt91]

In what world is selling 1,2 million copies in 3 days low?

I think he just trolled.

 

[Franz]

This is Oricon Weekly Series Top 10 (30/9 - 6/10). BC is below JJK because of backlog.

Considering the blackness of Black Clover these days I expect that the week ahead will surpass it.

 

[TxxT]

Considering the blackness of Black Clover these days I expect that the week ahead will surpass it.

JJK backlog is much better than BCs even without an anime, at JJk's current pace itll overtake BC for sure next volume

 

[NeeNeen]

Well yes the big promotion but the small sale is a bad thing...........
BBUUUTTTT

Strategically this huge promotion is both a boon and a Bane. Here let me break it down for you -

The big advertisement, interviews and pamplets together would have costed more than a 100 million yen and let's say the sales of both the volumes are 30k which would any to around 15 million yen and this is not including the ongoing manga expenses so usually if the series performs just like this forever it would have been axed by volume 5-6 , but the company won't axe it by then in case of samurai 8 because of that HEAVY PROMOTION, since the company won't be taking such a huge loss(promotion costs + ongoing costs) so as to minimize this lose they have to continue it as long as the heavy promotion cost has been earned so till that there extends the time of the manga which gives kishi the time he wanted cause if you remember from what he said from the very beginning "Introducing a new type of manga would be very tough and the information dump would be making the readers bored(which is actually happening as he predicted) so I would like the readers to have some patience so that I can make something really extraordinary" But deep down he knew that the readers won't be that patient , but this promotion cost will give him the time he needed for what he wanted to do so by this it will be a turning point of the series and all these if we consider that the series just does as bad for future volumes like now but it isn't the case since the recent chapters of kishimoto have been really interesting and many new people are interested in it so yes........ It was all a mastermind strategy from the very beginning.
Hope it helps.

Interesting conspiracy theory, but I don't think Kishimoto is the one who decides on the advertising.

 

[SharkBait]

Spoiler: Haikyu New chapter information

We have a "jump in time" of several years at the end of the chapter. We find Hinata, which we see from behind, riding a bike in Brazil.

試合終了後集まる烏のメンバー
泣いたり、「俺はこの烏野で上に行きたかったです」話したり、先生が監督でよかったと伝えたりしている。
監督「君たちの何もここで終わらない。これからもなんだってできる！！」

そして皆んなで飯の時間
日向は別室で寝ているところに食事を持ってきてもらっている
食堂で和気あいあいと食事する皆んなと涙ボロボロ流しながら飯を食う日向

そして卒業式
礼を言う部員、笑顔でサヨナラをする三年生

数年後

そこにはブラジルでチャリに乗っている日向の後ろ姿

次号休載

Please be a dream sequence

 

[Xzone]

JJK backlog is much better than BCs even without an anime, at JJk's current pace itll overtake BC for sure next volume

We will see, but yeah, Jujutsu can still improve.

Well yes the big promotion but the small sale is a bad thing...........
BBUUUTTTT

Strategically this huge promotion is both a boon and a Bane. Here let me break it down for you -

The big advertisement, interviews and pamplets together would have costed more than a 100 million yen and let's say the sales of both the volumes are 30k which would any to around 15 million yen and this is not including the ongoing manga expenses so usually if the series performs just like this forever it would have been axed by volume 5-6 , but the company won't axe it by then in case of samurai 8 because of that HEAVY PROMOTION, since the company won't be taking such a huge loss(promotion costs + ongoing costs) so as to minimize this lose they have to continue it as long as the heavy promotion cost has been earned so till that there extends the time of the manga which gives kishi the time he wanted cause if you remember from what he said from the very beginning "Introducing a new type of manga would be very tough and the information dump would be making the readers bored(which is actually happening as he predicted) so I would like the readers to have some patience so that I can make something really extraordinary" But deep down he knew that the readers won't be that patient , but this promotion cost will give him the time he needed for what he wanted to do so by this it will be a turning point of the series and all these if we consider that the series just does as bad for future volumes like now but it isn't the case since the recent chapters of kishimoto have been really interesting and many new people are interested in it so yes........ It was all a mastermind strategy from the very beginning.
Hope it helps.

Is this a copypasta?

 

[Franz]

JJK backlog is much better than BCs even without an anime, at JJk's current pace itll overtake BC for sure next volume

We need to see the volume chart when it comes out, they will still be close to sales at a numerical level. Black Clover will probably be over even in this week's oricon

 

[Brizzi]

Spoiler: Issue 46 TOC

Weekly Shonen Jump Issue #46:

My Hero Academia (Cover & LCP)

Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba

Haikyu!! (**Break Next Issue**)

Dr. STONE

Black Clover

Jujutsu Kaisen (CP)

Mission: Yozakura Family

The Promised Neverland

My Hero Academia: Team Up Mission (One-Shot, CP)

We Never Learn

Mitama Security: Spirit Busters

Yuuna and the Haunted Hot Springs

Jump Gag Festival (Special Collaborative Project)

Chainsaw Man

ACT-AGE

Yui Kamio Lets Loose

Samurai 8: The Tale of Hachimaru

Double Taisei

Beast Children

Tokyo Shinobi Squad

Weekly Shonen Jump Issue #47:

Cover & LCP: Chainsaw Man

CP: ACT-AGE, Spy x Family (Special J+ Chapter)

Mitama Security: Spirit Busters (2 Consecutive 34p Chapters)

Wow, I think I'm even more surprised by Mitama getting two chapters in next issue than Yozakura being in Top 5 (even though ther wasn't a One Piece chapter this week to take one spot)!

 

[Leoat12]

Extremely happy to where Yozakura is placed on its first TOC, I hope there is a CP this year already to seal the deal. I think it has potential to be in midtier for the time being, I'm not pessimistic as you guys.

I'm not happy with Act-Age position thoguh, it deserves better. The same for Yui Kamio in my opinion. I think it will survive for this year like I said before, but for how much longer?

My Hero Academia Color Spread

An all girls lead cp, excellent.
Jokes apart, I think this is the first time I see this style from Horikoshi and I think it is excellent, probably my favorite color page from the series.
Also, we have to take a moment to marvel at Horikoshi talent to draw stylish and likeable girls of all kinds with a natural feel about them. In it comes to girls MHA is well served although I think they should take the spotlight a bit more in the story itself.

 

[Kolbe]

So:
-Neverland is ending in 2020
-Kimetsu should be ending in 2020 or 2021
-Haikyuu

Spoiler

with its final arc starting

should be ending also in late 2020 or 2021 (I really hope so)
-My Hero Academia

Spoiler

is starting to give also vibes of entering in a possible final arc

and could be ending in 2021 or 2022.

Will 2022 be the destined year for Black Clover to enter in an Oricon yearly top-10?

I don't read Haikyuu but My Hero Academia definitively isn't ending with this upcoming arc. It's probably just a bigger arc to end the first year and solve some loose plots like the traitor.

 

[Franz]

Also because the author at the time of volume 19 said he was halfway with history.

 

[animeexpert]

So:
-Neverland is ending in 2020
-Kimetsu should be ending in 2020 or 2021
-Haikyuu

Spoiler

with its final arc starting

should be ending also in late 2020 or 2021 (I really hope so)
-My Hero Academia

Spoiler

is starting to give also vibes of entering in a possible final arc

and could be ending in 2021 or 2022.

Will 2022 be the destined year for Black Clover to enter in an Oricon yearly top-10?

you trolling right?, lmao

--- Double Post Merged, Oct 9, 2019, Original Post Date: Oct 9, 2019 ---

My Hero Academia Color Spread

mah nibba looking fresh af !!!, deku wearing that tsuna design and pose, tribute to hitman reborn!!?. ayy!!, best color page