Discussion Strawhats character progress!

[ThatOtherGuy]

Which strawhat has grown the most as a character since their introduction into the series?

Which strawhat has grown the least?

 

[Pirate Queen]

Most? Ussop

Least? Brook

 

[afromarco005]

Most Luffy

Less Chopper I would even say that he regressed only being used as a one dimentional mascot.

 

[TitaniumOxide]

Most is Luffy...and there is literally too many reasons to list.

Least is Zoro I'm sad to say. He is my favorite character but here's the facts:

He was always badass and rarely afraid of challenges, he even asked Mihawk to kill his ass lol.
He is an alcoholic with an exceptional tolerance
He always gets lost
He is silently listening. Sometimes he makes a grand comment like when Usopp left the crew and wanted back in.

That summarizes it...the issue here is he is still pretty much the same. He only gained Haki and got stronger...but that is every NW character. On the ship he just defends it. He doesn't cook; he doesn't fix shit. Wano may or may not connect his history to the land of samurais and any info would be astounding but that doesn't change Zoro's core character: A badass alcoholic vigilante powerhouse that has hobbies including caring for others, getting lost, and training. His character will always be the same probably. Still my #1 dude though!

 

[everythingnice]

Most would be I think either Usopp, or Luffy.

Least would be Brook.

 

[TitaniumOxide]

Brook was just bones running on water.

He became the strawhat's entertainer then went on to literally become the Michael Jackson of the One Piece world. That in itself is huge. And if you are too young to know who MJ is then you need to go do some "soul" searching. Lol bad skull joke. And now he can travel thru walls as an apparition.

He also got stronger seeing as how Kinemon commented on his strength on PH but of course nowhere near Zoro however that doesn't count for the fact that he grew a lot from the time we met him. No Usopp or Sanji achievements yet but I cannot agree with him being the least developed. Granted, he is like 90 years old and it did take him this long to get to the point and yeah that is a snail's pace in the OP world but he did evolve a good amount these past two years. The story can even progress in a much more interesting way if Robin asked Brook some more interesting questions like example of the old news paper articles about Kaido or even The Rocks. But he doesn't get enough screentime for that.

Oooh shiet I LIED. I forgot a second there about MVP brook fighting Big Momma's personal homies and using his soul powers to injure at least one. Not the mention the fact that without him, the Strawhats may never have a copy of Big Mom's Road Poneglyph. This might be as huge as him becoming the One Piece Michael Jackson. I mean without this info Luffy can never get to Laugh Tale and become the Pirate King and possibly, the void century will not be fully explained. That is some God Usopp achievement right there. I highly doubt he can do this pretimeskip because he didn't project his soul as an apparition back then and very likely couldn't even handle one of Big Mom's personal Homies. Anyone who says Brook is least developed need to review Brook's history and appreciate his afro more. I don't know if his Afro has ever been messed up before. Reminds me of the durability seen in Doflamingo's glasses.

 

[kkck]

Well, the strawhat that has grown the most is luffy. He has had decent fights in every arc, his strength has increased and has had a whole training mini arc in the last two arcs so far.

As for who has the least development... Oda hasn't really treated the remaining strawhats with any justice in general. His focus recently is on strawhat allies rather than actual strawhats. Oda hasn't really done much of anything with franky, brook, chopper, nami, ussop and robin. They are largely unchanged since the timeskip. Oda did try to develop sanji but IMO everything oda has done with sanji is largely a dud. First you had the so called year of sanji... But what we got was the 2 year long WCI arc. Over which sanji didn't actually defeat anyone in combat AND his entire contribution to the arc was basically that fucking stupid cake. And now sanji finally got his raid suit... while luffy and zoro are getting miles ahead of him haki wise. And there is currently zero evidence that sanji's subpar haki is improving at the astonishing rate it needs to keep up with luffy and zoro (and sanji absolutely should keep up with them).

Oda needs to give less screentime to strawhat affiliated crews and instead focus more on the strawhats.

 

[TitaniumOxide]

Well, the strawhat that has grown the most is luffy. He has had decent fights in every arc, his strength has increased and has had a whole training mini arc in the last two arcs so far.

As for who has the least development... Oda hasn't really treated the remaining strawhats with any justice in general. His focus recently is on strawhat allies rather than actual strawhats. Oda hasn't really done much of anything with franky, brook, chopper, nami, ussop and robin. They are largely unchanged since the timeskip. Oda did try to develop sanji but IMO everything oda has done with sanji is largely a dud. First you had the so called year of sanji... But what we got was the 2 year long WCI arc. Over which sanji didn't actually defeat anyone in combat AND his entire contribution to the arc was basically that fucking stupid cake. And now sanji finally got his raid suit... while luffy and zoro are getting miles ahead of him haki wise. And there is currently zero evidence that sanji's subpar haki is improving at the astonishing rate it needs to keep up with luffy and zoro (and sanji absolutely should keep up with them).

Oda needs to give less screentime to strawhat affiliated crews and instead focus more on the strawhats.

We can't be so entitled and expect Oda to give us what we want everytime. This is his story and no matter how much you want Sanji to fight Oda has the final say. Looking back, I was somewhat dissappointed. He only fought...Judge, got owned and kicked Oven a couple times. I wanted a redemption fight but we got a cake. Also, looking back I realized how 'traditional' his audience is based on discussions in forums. I came to the conclusion that Oda did something amazing in that he broke that tradition and had Sanji KO a Yonko into dreamland thru a cake. A fucking cake. That is creativity. Some of us didn't like that type of creativity but again some of us are more entitled. I personally think the whole Year of the Sanji was great. We got a copy of Road Poneglyph out of it and found out about Big Mom's weakness to great food. I guess I share that weakness. I can be arguing with someone and if they pull out a nice medium cooked NY strip I be like okay you win gimme that steak.

As for the rest of the strawhats, Oda expanded his story too much. The overworld is huge. That requires more flashbacks (and people complaining about said flashbacks) and focus on newly introduced aspects. I sure do hope he focus on pretimeskip antics to showcase the Strawhats more but in a way he is stretched too thin to do so given that he only gets like 16 pages to tell a chapter. So he choose to focus more On Luffy. In time though, I'm pretty sure he will shift the focus back. If not, he will risk making all the other Strawhats look too weak to fight for example, the Black Beard pirates commanders. I remember Usopp and Chopper fighting with Mr 4 and Ms Merry Christmas back in Alabasta. It is final battles like these that we all itch for and Oda will deliver. I can see this happening by the end of Wano. If it still frustrates you, there is always the option of giving yourself a hiatus from reading this manga. I did it with the FT 100 year quest when it became too wtf for me. We just have to remember that at the end of the day, we get this shit for free before they do in Japan. How great is that?

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Most is Robin. She has been showing more of her emotion ever since the time skip.

Least is luffy. His behaviour seems like he doesn't reflect based on what happened at sabaody and marineford

 

[Aizen]

I am disappointed to some extent with how she has been used Post-Timeskip, but I would take Robin as the one who has progressed the most. Her mentality did change quite a bit after Enies Lobby.

The least could be several characters, but I will go with Luffy due to him being the main character. I would have liked to see more of a change after what he went through with Ace's death. I get why Oda chose not to do so though, as it would have been a risky move considering his demographic.

 

[Hana Maria]

Most: Usopp he was a plain coward at first!
Least: Chopper he regressed back as a character he become nothing more than a mascot!

 

[kkck]

TBH I feel like most strawhats haven't had any meaningful development over... the past decade or so. The last significant development at least was the timeskip... But since the timeskip oda has spent more time developing non strawhats than the actual strawhat. I suppose sanji has had the most development recently but that was during the WCI arc and most character arcs during that arc are better left buried and forgotten.

 

[Aizen]

Most: Usopp he was a plain coward at first!

He was the other one I considered.

TBH I feel like most strawhats haven't had any meaningful development over... the past decade or so. The last significant development at least was the timeskip... But since the timeskip oda has spent more time developing non strawhats than the actual strawhat. I suppose sanji has had the most development recently but that was during the WCI arc and most character arcs during that arc are better left buried and forgotten.

I am in full agreement with you on this. I can't help but feel that most, if not all of the characters on the crew have stagnated since the TS. One Piece never had massive character development, but the earlier arcs gave more spotlight to each crew member. Perhaps it is because the cast has swelled more and more, and most of the crew has been delegated to support roles lately.

 

[Fox666]

Yeah the characters don't grow much

But to be fair, the story happened within the span of just some days, except for the time-skip, which was just 2 years anyway...

 

[Sachsenhesse]

grown most: Namis chest

grown less: chopper sadly

But its really sad, i am grown tired of Luffys fights since Kuma forcefully parted the crew... until then it was always crewaction, afterwards its mostly luffy who shines. The fights of the SHs are always one chapter max right now, if not just a few panels and i want a change to that.

 

[Hana Maria]

grown most: Namis chest

grown less: chopper sadly

But its really sad, i am grown tired of Luffys fights since Kuma forcefully parted the crew... until then it was always crewaction, afterwards its mostly luffy who shines. The fights of the SHs are always one chapter max right now, if not just a few panels and i want a change to that.

I feel you...give no monster trio straw hats more love and battles oda pls!

 

[Shasha23]

But its really sad, i am grown tired of Luffys fights since Kuma forcefully parted the crew... until then it was always crewaction, afterwards its mostly luffy who shines. The fights of the SHs are always one chapter max right now, if not just a few panels and i want a change to that.

I feel you...give no monster trio straw hats more love and battles oda pls!

Im just hoping and wishing that this arc will be more like Alabasta/Enies Lobby, and each and every Strawhat will get a fight.
I really wana see Nami and Robin taking care of business.
I mean Luffy has had 5 fights and Zoro has had 4, while Franky 2 and Chopper, Usopp and Brook have 1..........
Just realized Sanji since NW has never had a solo fight with an outcome , Nami and Robin dont even have a fight each for 10 years now

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Just realized Sanji since NW has never had a solo fight with an outcome

Judge (a loss nonetheless)
Luffy (ok dont count this one)
Page1 (probably a win)

come to my mind

Spoiler

also: damn give the other ones of your league some chances will you liverpool?

 

[Shasha23]

Judge (a loss nonetheless)
Luffy (ok dont count this one)
Page1 (probably a win)

come to my mind

I dont count the Judge fight since he cheated.
Page One was left with a no outcome so i don't count it until story say otherwise.
He has clashed with soo many people i had forgoten Sanji this past 10 years has never had a solo win, with him lighting a cigarette while walking away and saying "i guess it was too spicy for you"

Spoiler

also: damn give the other ones of your league some chances will you liverpool?

Spoiler: future sight

HAHAHAHAHAHA never we breaking Man City's record of 100 points this season

 

[Sachsenhesse]

I dont count the Judge fight since he cheated.

Well jeah... thats his fightingstyle. Its like saying Zoro beating up Usopp and Usopp: "that doesnt count i dont had a sword!".

He has clashed with soo many people i had forgoten Sanji this past 10 years has never had a solo win, with him lighting a cigarette while walking away and saying "i guess it was too spicy for you"

Jeah against Mr. 2 "i think i broke a few ribs but thats okay.." Man this shit was awesome.

Spoiler

HAHAHAHAHAHA never we breaking Man City's record of 100 points this season

As we say in germany... you are "bekloppt"(kinda stupid). Get it