Fantasy Gray vs Mirajane

[Seven777]

Gray has DeS advantage, it's an open and shut case, he wins. Even without DeS advantage, he's still more impressive than Mirajane, you could argue that Gray could beat her in base without DeS spells or mode.

As for Skullion, he shot Gray down while he was trying to save the city from Skullions attack, I guarantee you he'll put up a high diff fight in their rematch. 100 year quest Gray would slaughter Invel as easily as he did in Alvarez.

 

[Jko]

That doesn't make any sense. She would have to hit Skullion in order to damage which is something Gray can do as he hit him Zeroth Long Sword. If Mira can't hit then it has nothing to do with her being weaker than Gray but Gray having a type advantage. She would have to hit Skullion and do less damage than Gray would do if he steps in and beats him.

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Gray: Mira has no weakness...

Lol, I guess she ain't weak to DeS since the DeS mage himself said that.

100 Year Gray got beat up by the Rajinshuu, he would get slaughtered by Invel currently as he can't beat him w/o PoF and that's made pretty dang clear in their fight.

 

[Seven777]

That doesn't make any sense. She would have to hit Skullion in order to damage which is something Gray can do as he hit him Zeroth Long Sword. If Mira can't hit then it has nothing to do with her being weaker than Gray but Gray having a type advantage. She would have to hit Skullion and do less damage than Gray would do if he steps in and beats him.

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Gray: Mira has no weakness...

Lol, I guess she ain't weak to DeS since the DeS mage himself said that.

100 Year Gray got beat up by the Rajinshuu, he would get slaughtered by invel currently as he can't beat him w/o PoF and that's made pretty dang clear in their fight.

Factually incorrect, Wahl made a bot for her. Gray has DeS, Mirajane transforms into demons, he wins. How is this even in question?

Just means the old Raijinshuu have stepped up their game. Freed has always been a beast, except in Tartaros, good to see him back up there. Plus Gray kinda butchered them anyway.

 

[Jko]

Factually incorrect, Wahl made a bot for her. Gray has DeS, Mirajane transforms into demons, he wins. How is this even in question?

Just means the old Raijinshuu have stepped up their game. Freed has always been a beast, except in Tartaros, good to see him back up there. Plus Gray kinda butchered them anyway.

Bcs DeS mage said she had no weakness...which means he doesn't think DeS is a weakness to her. He had to throw out a gag robot bcs he couldn't find a real weakness for her

Good ol Rajinshuu got beat by a proxy bot explosion lol. Stepped up game yet none were stated to get stronger like Lucy was stated and shown to be. He needed a DeS stat boost to beat them...

 

[Axiomus]

Nothing suggests what you said. All we know what triggered Gray's PoF is Juvia's death , and that was because it was similar to the darkness he held in his heart i.e. his parents' deaths. What triggered it is he was forced to fight Juvia , not anyone else. He has been keeping that darkness with him ever since he lost his parents , during Galuna island , during when he lost Silver again , and all of it exploded when he lost Juvia.

Same goes for Natsu , Zeref has been purposely pissing Natsu off ever since Tartaros for the sole reason of him activating his PoF. He even tries to kill Makarov , solely for the purpose of activating his PoF. It took a heck lot of time for Natsu to activate his PoF , and this was due to Zeref pissing him off from Tartaros.

These two cases were situational. Tell me where else did the MC use this kind of PoF.

What I'm saying isn't exactly that controversial. The longer the fight goes on, the more desperate they are to beat their opponents, and the more emotional they become. Skullion beat Gray before Gray managed to work up his emotions, which is something that Skullion can do because his attacks are strong enough. I haven't seen the same from Mirajane.

What triggered Gray's POF against Invel was Juvia's death. What triggered Gray's POF against Natsu was just the realization that Natsu turned out to be END. The "darkness in his heart" is just a poetic way of saying negative emotions. The emotions that Natsu was tapping into were his feelings for the guild, and really had absolutely nothing to do with anything Zeref did during the Tartaros arc. It doesn't take any amount of time for Natsu, or anyone else, to activate his POF. Natsu is always emotional, which means he's always using POF. It's just a matter of how emotional he gets. In any case, Natsu doesn't need POF at all to beat Mirajane. More importantly, Gray doesn't need to be at the level of Natsu's maximum POF to beat Mirajane.

 

[IamtherealMirajane]

Factually incorrect, Wahl made a bot for her. Gray has DeS, Mirajane transforms into demons, he wins. How is this even in question?

Just means the old Raijinshuu have stepped up their game. Freed has always been a beast, except in Tartaros, good to see him back up there. Plus Gray kinda butchered them anyway.

DeS is a curse. It has no effect on Mirajane. Just like how Macro doesnt work on Mirajane.

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Gray has DeS advantage, it's an open and shut case, he wins. Even without DeS advantage, he's still more impressive than Mirajane, you could argue that Gray could beat her in base without DeS spells or mode.

As for Skullion, he shot Gray down while he was trying to save the city from Skullions attack, I guarantee you he'll put up a high diff fight in their rematch. 100 year quest Gray would slaughter Invel as easily as he did in Alvarez.

Gray in base could not even beat the thunder tribe.

 

[Axiomus]

Bloodman's devil slaying is a curse. Gray's devil slaying magic has been referred to as magic several times.

 

[IamtherealMirajane]

Bloodman's devil slaying is a curse. Gray's devil slaying magic has been referred to as magic several times.

I dont think it was magic. Since it was the same curse/ that Silver gave it to Gray. And Silver has demon form.

Just like how gray can demonize.

 

[atlantisreturns]

What I'm saying isn't exactly that controversial. The longer the fight goes on, the more desperate they are to beat their opponents, and the more emotional they become.

What triggered Gray's POF against Invel was Juvia's death. What triggered Gray's POF against Natsu was just the realization that Natsu turned out to be END. The "darkness in his heart" is just a poetic way of saying negative emotions. The emotions that Natsu was tapping into were his feelings for the guild, and really had absolutely nothing to do with anything Zeref did during the Tartaros arc. It doesn't take any amount of time for Natsu, or anyone else, to activate his POF. Natsu is always emotional, which means he's always using POF. It's just a matter of how emotional he gets. In any case, Natsu doesn't need POF at all to beat Mirajane. More importantly, Gray doesn't need to be at the level of Natsu's maximum POF to beat Mirajane.

I'm not even in the discussion of whether Gray can beat Mira or not because both are overrated imo and I don't care.

I am pointing out you can't randomly go on giving PoF to them anytime. Natsu isn't always using his PoF , he uses it only when he activates his Flames of Ravage Emotions. When he shouts that he's going to use Flames of Emotions , that's when he uses PoF. Every single time PoF was used we're told about it and the effects were magnitudes larger. Fairy Sphere at Tenrou , the Dragon Cry Staff , Gray's darkness , Natsu's FoE against Zeref , the effects are ALWAYS magnitudes greater. There has to be a specific reason for that to happen. Zeref has been pissing Natsu off since a long time , and it even took 14 chapters for that to activate. Gray has no reason to get specifically that pissed off without a reason. Unless Mira does something stupid like Macro Gray into killing Juvia. There's a difference between simply being emotional and being able to channel those emotions into power. Even the FT guild was emotional at Tenrou , but the one who did the job of channeling them into power to no sell Acno's roar was Mavis. They would've been dead by now if not for her.

You go on giving PoF to Natsu and Gray always to try to get them out of fights. It isn't that simple , otherwise Natsu would've defeated Touka by now.

 

[Axiomus]

I dont think it was magic. Since it was the same curse/ that Silver gave it to Gray. And Silver has demon form.

Just like how gray can demonize.

Silver gave Gray magic power. Gray can indeed demonize and Silver can very well have a demon form. Doesn't change the fact that Devil Slaying magic has been referred to as....well, magic.

 

[Seven777]

Bcs DeS mage said she had no weakness...which means he doesn't think DeS is a weakness to her. He had to throw out a gag robot bcs he couldn't find a real weakness for her

Good ol Rajinshuu got beat by a proxy bot explosion lol. Stepped up game yet none were stated to get stronger like Lucy was stated and shown to be. He needed a DeS stat boost to beat them...

Alternatively, he thinks creating bots with DeS magic is outside Proxy Wahl's capabilities. Demons are weak to DeS magic, so Mirajane gets low diffed by Gray.

Yeah, a suicide explosion, for all we know it has the potency of Etherion, since the attack was specifically crafted by Wahl. Freed alone had the power to hold back an entire army for an extended period of time and he still had enough power left over to effortlessly slaughter Proxy Wahl. Freed back in the day was stronger than Elfman, and with Bixlow was on par with the Seven Kin.
Their performance in 100 year quest doesn't prove Gray is weak, its just confirmation Freed is strong again, because we already know for a fact that Gray is powerful, by Invel's own admission. Besides, Gray slaughtered them.

DeS is a curse. It has no effect on Mirajane. Just like how Macro doesnt work on Mirajane.

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Gray in base could not even beat the thunder tribe.

What are you talking about? Seilah massacred Mirajane with her attacks. Her curse power was so great she could oneshot Mirajane out of Sitri. Gray would do exactly the same with one of his DeS attacks.

 

[IamtherealMirajane]

Alternatively, he thinks creating bots with DeS magic is outside Proxy Wahl's capabilities. Demons are weak to DeS magic, so Mirajane gets low diffed by Gray.

Yeah, a suicide explosion, for all we know it has the potency of Etherion, since the attack was specifically crafted by Wahl. Freed alone had the power to hold back an entire army for an extended period of time and he still had enough power left over to effortlessly slaughter Proxy Wahl. Freed back in the day was stronger than Elfman, and with Bixlow was on par with the Seven Kin.
Their performance in 100 year quest doesn't prove Gray is weak, its just confirmation Freed is strong again, because we already know for a fact that Gray is powerful, by Invel's own admission. Besides, Gray slaughtered them.



What are you talking about? Seilah massacred Mirajane with her attacks. Her curse power was so great she could oneshot Mirajane out of Sitri. Gray would do exactly the same with one of his DeS attacks.

Seilah did one shot sitri but she cant tear Mirajane human form apart? Mirajane even manage to takeover her curse while taking a beating. oh great. Oh by the way we are talking the tartarus Mirajane here? Or the current Mirajane?

Like what said if Mashima think that Mirajane is weaker than Gray. he could easily make Skullion stomp Mirajane just like how Skullion low diffed Gray.

Mirajane is not even part of main characters right? He did not do it purposely to show that Mirajane is still above Gray. And the fight was already 6 chapters but Still Mirajane is not yet defeated. Although she took some kick nothing else.

But Gray was only in defeated 3 to 4 panels?

 

[Seven777]

Seilah did one shot sitri but she cant tear Mirajane human form apart? oh great. Oh by the way we are talking the tartarus Mirajane here? Or the current Mirajane?

Like what said if Mashima think that Mirajane is weaker than Gray. he could easily make Skullion stomp Mirajane just like how Skullion low diffed Gray.

Mirajane is not even part of main character right? He did not because Mirajane is still above Gray.

Can't she? Looked like she was about to before Elfman showed up. Not really sure your point is either way though, Seilah's curse power was so great that it could blast Mira out of Sitri with one attack. I'm talking Tartaros Mirajane in the context of Seilah oneshotting her. Current Mirajane in the context of Gray beating her.

Gray lost to Skullion because he was trying to protect the city from Skullions attack. I can guarantee you he'll be a match for Skullion when they next fight each other. Besides, Mirajane has performed just as poorly as Gray.

So what if Mira isn't a main character?

 

[Axiomus]

I'm not even in the discussion of whether Gray can beat Mira or not because both are overrated imo and I don't care.

I am pointing out you can't randomly go on giving PoF to them anytime. Natsu isn't always using his PoF , he uses it only when he activates his Flames of Ravage Emotions. When he shouts that he's going to use Flames of Emotions , that's when he uses PoF. Every single time PoF was used we're told about it and the effects were magnitudes larger. Fairy Sphere at Tenrou , the Dragon Cry Staff , Gray's darkness , Natsu's FoE against Zeref , the effects are ALWAYS magnitudes greater. There has to be a specific reason for that to happen. Zeref has been pissing Natsu off since a long time , and it even took 14 chapters for that to activate. Gray has no reason to get specifically that pissed off without a reason. Unless Mira does something stupid like Macro Gray into killing Juvia.

You go on giving PoF to Natsu and Gray always to try to get them out of fights. It isn't that simple , otherwise Natsu would've defeated Touka by now.

Natsu is using power of feelings all the time. His raging flames of emotions is the maximum level he can reach, but he is still using power of feelings even when he's not reaching those levels. Ignia could even tell that Natsu's emotions make him stronger even he's throwing a regular punch that's not very powerful. Power of feelings is a thing in this series. Characters become more powerful the more emotional they get. I don't see why Touka is relevant to this discussion. For all we know, she would be able to beat Natsu even when he's at maximum POF just by stealing his magic.

Spoiler: Ignia noting that Natsu gets stronger the more emotional he gets

In any case, the important thing here is how Gray stacks up against Mirajane.

 

[IamtherealMirajane]

Can't she? Looked like she was about to before Elfman showed up. Not really sure your point is either way though, Seilah's curse power was so great that it could blast Mira out of Sitri with one attack. I'm talking Tartaros Mirajane in the context of Seilah oneshotting her. Current Mirajane in the context of Gray beating her.

Gray lost to Skullion because he was trying to protect the city from Skullions attack. I can guarantee you he'll be a match for Skullion when they next fight each other. Besides, Mirajane has performed just as poorly as Gray.

So what if Mira isn't a main character?

Like what i said. If Mirajane is weaker than Gray. Mashima would already concluded the fight in chapter 36.because we already know how powerful Skullion is. There is no need to pro long the fight. Just like how Gray was defeated in less than 6 panels using his best shot.

Remember Mirajane is not even a main character unlike Gray.

In short Mashima still see Mirajane as above level than Gray.

Ps: I dont hate Gray in fact he is one of my favorite character. it just i believe Mirajane is stronger than him.

 

[Seven777]

Like what i said. If Mirajane is weaker than Gray. Mashima would already concluded the fight in chapter 36.because we already know how powerful Skullion is. There is no need to pro long the fight. Just like how Gray was defeated in less than 6 panels using his best shot.

Remember Mirajane is not even a main character unlike Gray.

In short Mashima still see Mirajane as above level than Gray.

Ps: I dont hate Gray in fact he is one of my favorite character. it just i believe Mirajane is stronger than him.

No he wouldn't? Mashima keeps fights going for as long as he wants them too, it doesn't say anything about character strength. Look how long Lucy vs The Strauss siblings went for. A fight can last 1 chapter or a dozen, it all depends on how much focus and the kind of pacing Mashima wants to give it. In short, Mirajane has done nothing, so her performance is not any better than Gray's.

Why does Mirajane not being a main character matter?

Almost certainly not true, because the chances are Gray is going to beat Skullion not Mirajane.

 

[IamtherealMirajane]

No he wouldn't? Mashima keeps fights going for as long as he wants them too, it doesn't say anything about character strength. Look how long Lucy vs The Strauss siblings went for. A fight can last 1 chapter or a dozen, it all depends on how much focus and the kind of pacing Mashima wants to give it. In short, Mirajane has done nothing, so her performance is not any better than Gray's.

Why does Mirajane not being a main character matter?

Almost certainly not true, because the chances are Gray is going to beat Skullion not Mirajane.

Nope thats way different.

Mirajane see Lucy as her Nakama ( even tainted in white) And Mirajane will never be serious fighting against lucy thats why she didnt use some nukes or her stronger takeover against lucy and the reason why she tied both leo and virgo she never meant to hurt lucy at all.

Now back to Skullion. Is Skullion a friend of Mirajane? Nope.. why would he need to pro long the fight i dont see any reason? When his mission is beat the fairy tail as much as possible. And remember Skullion dont like to fight when feels that they are outnumbered.

 

[Seven777]

Nope thats way different.

Mirajane see Lucy as her Nakama ( even tainted in white) And Mirajane will never be serious fighting against lucy thats why she didnt use some nukes or her stronger takeover against lucy and the reason why she tied both leo and virgo she never meant to hurt lucy at all.

Now back to Skullion. Is Skullion a friend of Mirajane? Nope.. why would he need to pro long the fight i dont see any reason? When his mission is beat the fairy tail as much as possible. And remember Skullion dont like to fight when feels that they are outnumbered.

So? Has nothing to do with anything, Gray sees Freed and the other as his Nakama and he still slaughtered them in a chapter. Skullions not serious against Mirajane anyway, you can see it plainly.

It's not whether Skullion prolongs the fight, he doesn't have a choice in the matter, it's Mashima who chooses how long the fight is going to go. Right now Mashima is leaving that fight on the back burner, and he'll get to it when he's ready. What exactly should I be impressed with from Mirajane? Having her attack no sold? Getting casually kicked in the back? At least Gray managed to overcome a named attack from Skullion and save the city, what exactly has Mirajane done? Nothing.

 

[IamtherealMirajane]

So? Has nothing to do with anything, Gray sees Freed and the other as his Nakama and he still slaughtered them in a chapter. Skullions not serious against Mirajane anyway, you can see it plainly.

It's not whether Skullion prolongs the fight, he doesn't have a choice in the matter, it's Mashima who chooses how long the fight is going to go. Right now Mashima is leaving that fight on the back burner, and he'll get to it when he's ready. What exactly should I be impressed with from Mirajane? Having her attack no sold? Getting casually kicked in the back? At least Gray managed to overcome a named attack from Skullion and save the city, what exactly has Mirajane done? Nothing.

Well Mirajane is the mother figure of the fairy tail. Personality wise she hates fighting as much possible. And she will stay away from it. Especially if the person shes fighting is close to her so she tend to restraint her power. Remember she even willing to sacrifice herself in the phantom arc just to save lucy.

While Gray will not think twice to beat his comrades just to test his strength. Just like Natsu.

Besides Gray is not close to thunder tribe as Mirajane as to lucy.

Even Gray admitted that Mirajane has no weaknesses. I dont think he will bluff for no reason.

What is already canon is Gray was already low diffed by Skullion. While Mirajane isnt. you cant change that.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

What is already canon is Gray was already low diffed by Skullion. While Mirajane isnt. you cant change that.

You can't change the fact that Skullion hasn't done anything worthwhile against Mirajane and If she can't beat him then she will be at the same level as non pof gray.

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NUmber of Chapters doesn't mean anything. Natsu is the main character and he is going to get the most attention. Mirajane never got an entire chapter like Gray did so you can't use that show that she has done better than Gray.