Discussion Second Strongest

[Pirate Queen]

kidd is not on luffy's side
second strongest between law or jinbei, but post-wano probably zoro

Zoro has better feats than Kidd anyway

 

[King Moe]

Zoro has better feats than Kidd anyway

Not really on how Oda is hyping Kidd up as of late. He sees him as rival to Luffy which puts him above Zoro already especially given his DF is worse to Zoro overall by taking his weapons away if he wants too.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Not really on how Oda is hyping Kidd up as of late. He sees him as rival to Luffy which puts him above Zoro already especially given his DF is worse to Zoro overall by taking his weapons away if he wants too.

I said FEAT not hype

 

[King Moe]

I said FEAT not hype

His feats has been stated causing trouble for BM by destroying her ships and damaging badly an YC which Zoro doesn't have that on his end. On feats he has more.

 

[Pirate Queen]

His feats has been stated causing trouble for BM by destroying her ships and damaging badly an YC which Zoro doesn't have that on his end. On feats he has more.

You dont know how exactly any of that stuff went down. You dont know if it was just him or if his crew was involved. You have no facts, were as Zoro has many feats.

If they fought eachother, Kidd>Zoro due to DF advantage but that's not what's being asked here.

 

[kkck]

It's hard to say... but I would think that it would be between zoro and azura doji. Mostly because azura had it in him to land a hit on jack. I am not quite of the idea that azura is actually as strong as jack but feat wise this has the rest of the cast beat. Zoro is a likely second candidate but it really depends on how far his haki boost from mastering enma can take him. Nekomamushi and inuarashi are likely to surpass either once the full moon kicks in though.

 

[King Moe]

You dont know how exactly any of that stuff went down. You dont know if it was just him or if his crew was involved. You have no facts, were as Zoro has many feats.

If they fought eachother, Kidd>Zoro due to DF advantage but that's not what's being asked here.

If Oda is pushing those feats and a major rival to Luffy, he got spotlight to be his second strongest as well as Law, but Zoro won't be there. He won't even be Top 5 of the series by the end of it.

 

[Pirate Queen]

If Oda is pushing those feats and a major rival to Luffy, he got spotlight to be his second strongest as well as Law, but Zoro won't be there. He won't even be Top 5 of the series by the end of it.

There are no feats to push. He hasn't done anything that puts him on Luffy's level.

 

[King Moe]

There are no feats to push. He hasn't done anything that puts him on Luffy's level.

He will show later in visible sight. We will see in the war as he wants revenge on Kaido after all.

 

[Pirate Queen]

He will show later in visible sight. We will see in the war as he wants revenge on Kaido after all.

He might, but not right now. So until we see that Zoro>Kidd featwise

 

[King Moe]

Until I see Zoro countering magnetism alone, then it's Kidd>Zoro.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Until I see Zoro countering magnetism alone, then it's Kidd>Zoro.

... well Fujitora couldnt keep Zoro down with his gravity, so a push against him with magnetic force shouldnt be new to him.

And if Kidd wants to pull Zoros Swords against him, he is welcomed to do so, i just hope for him Zoros hand usnt on the hilt there anymore. Didnt we see Zoros using a "no sword style too"?

If Kidd wants to defend against a slash that slashes against metal with his metaldefense. I also wish him luck. So far he didnt showed anything impressive on screen.

 

[King Moe]

... well Fujitora couldnt keep Zoro down with his gravity, so a push against him with magnetic force shouldnt be new to him.

And if Kidd wants to pull Zoros Swords against him, he is welcomed to do so, i just hope for him Zoros hand usnt on the hilt there anymore. Didnt we see Zoros using a "no sword style too"?

If Kidd wants to defend against a slash that slashes against metal with his metaldefense. I also wish him luck. So far he didnt showed anything impressive on screen.

Fujitora wasn't trying his full power lol. He won't do shit at all.

Didn't Zoro was fighter of hand to hand combat like that. Give feats him beating someone serious, by himself without swords cause I can only find...None at all .

If Kidd can fighting YC, Zoro isn't nothing especially latter got take our by nerfer and fox easily.

 

[nik87]

Zoro eats Kidd for breakfast, we can move on to stronger opponents like King.

 

[HereNThere]

Shutenmaru is probably the only one who has enough feats to be considered the 2nd strongest combatant on the Strawhats' side.

Zoro is top 5 for sure though.

 

[nik87]

Shutenmaru is probably the only one who has enough feats to be considered the 2nd strongest combatant on the Strawhats' side.
Zoro is top 5 for sure though.

The guy who wasnt able to tame Enma? ...
Betting against Zoro, in this arc of all arcs...

 

[Fox666]

You guys overestimate Zoro way too much

I don't see any reason to assume Zoro could get close to a Yonko commander. Luffy himself had trouble even with Gear 4. Further proof of that is how Kyoshiro could easily dealt with Zoro.

On the Strawhats side we have Luffy, Law, Nekomamushi, Inuarashi, Shutenmaru and Kawamatsu. Drake is at least not an enemy. All which could fight evenly with a Yonko commander. Plus Jinbe and Denjiro are going to show up at some point, right?

Kikunojo is not confirmed to be on the level as Shutenmaru and the others, but supposedly the Scabbards who did not travel to the future got stronger, so she may as well be the real deal.

So we have like 9-10 people much stronger than Zoro.

And what about people who are around the same level as Zoro? We Sanji, Shishilian, I'm guessing Bepo... if Big Mom is coming, then Pekoms may come too?

 

[nik87]

You guys overestimate Zoro way too much

I don't see any reason to assume Zoro could get close to a Yonko commander. Luffy himself had trouble even with Gear 4. Further proof of that is how Kyoshiro could easily dealt with Zoro.

On the Strawhats side we have Luffy, Law, Nekomamushi, Inuarashi, Shutenmaru and Kawamatsu. Drake is at least not an enemy. All which could fight evenly with a Yonko commander. Plus Jinbe and Denjiro are going to show up at some point, right?

Kikunojo is not confirmed to be on the level as Shutenmaru and the others, but supposedly the Scabbards who did not travel to the future got stronger, so she may as well be the real deal.

So we have like 9-10 people much stronger than Zoro.

And what about people who are around the same level as Zoro? We Sanji, Shishilian, I'm guessing Bepo... if Big Mom is coming, then Pekoms may come too?

You are underestimating Zoro so much.
There is a thing called match-up advantage/disadvantage. Hard thing for Luffy doesnt equal to hard thing for Zoro and vice versa.
There is no way that in swordsman arc there is a better swordsman than Zoro.

 

[Fox666]

There is no way that in swordsman arc there is a better swordsman than Zoro.

I don't see the logic here.

Big Mom presence proves that is false, right?

 

[nik87]

I don't see the logic here.

Big Mom presence proves that is false, right?

BM isnt classified as swordsman afaik.
I am pretty sure that allied side has no swordsman stronger than Zoro and only enemy swordsman who can be stronger could be King but Zoro would surpass during the fight but keep in mind that Zoro is setup to at least injure Kaido too.