Fantasy Brandish vs Laxus

[Crimson Ice]

Brandish is weird to debate. On paper she’s honestly the 3rd or 4th strongest Spriggan but the actual cannon doesn’t reflect that. She’d probably win the matchup but Laxus is stronger in general.

A perfect example would be when she was losing to a buffed Neinhart which got two shotted by base Nastu, yet she was easily able to enlarge Natsu’s tumour and incapacitate him.

 

[atlantisreturns]

Brandish is weird to debate. On paper she’s honestly the 3rd or 4th strongest Spriggan but the actual cannon doesn’t reflect that. She’d probably win the matchup but Laxus is stronger in general.

A perfect example would be when she was losing to a buffed Neinhart which got two shotted by base Nastu, yet she was easily able to enlarge Natsu’s tumour and incapacitate him.

Natsu could only defeat buffed Neinhart because Neinhart came directly in front of him. That isn't what he does usually in fights. What he does is he conjures historia and makes them fight his enemy. Neinhart getting two shotted by Natsu means his durability is shit , nothing else. His magic power is still a lot higher than Brandish's and Natsu's. Had he conjured historia then they would've been a lot more powerful than before.

 

[Crimson Ice]

Natsu could only defeat buffed Neinhart because Neinhart came directly in front of him. That isn't what he does usually in fights. What he does is he conjures historia and makes them fight his enemy. Neinhart getting two shotted by Natsu means his durability is shit , nothing else. His magic power is still a lot higher than Brandish's and Natsu's. Had he conjured historia then they would've been a lot more powerful than before.

Natsu is still destroying Neinhart. The buffed Neinhart who wasn’t using historias was superior to Brandish, and that was the point.

 

[atlantisreturns]

Natsu is still destroying Neinhart. The buffed Neinhart who wasn’t using historias was superior to Brandish, and that was the point.

Wrong. Brandish couldn't affect buffed Neinhart because his magic power was more than her. So naturally her hax didn't work. If you notice , Neinhart's attacks barely left scratches on Brandish . That itself means Neinhart didn't deploy his most powerful magic , i.e. historias. We didn't get to see how powerful the enhanced version can be in attack power because he didn't deploy them. And again , getting destroyed by Natsu in two punches means he's got shit durability and is a glass cannon. It doesn't mean his offense is weak.

 

[GL_Nova]

Brandish is one of the weakest Spriggan. Great hax, but that’s it.

 

[Jko]

Brandish thinks Laxus dies.

 

[LaGOAT]

Wrong. Brandish couldn't affect buffed Neinhart because his magic power was more than her. So naturally her hax didn't work. If you notice , Neinhart's attacks barely left scratches on Brandish . That itself means Neinhart didn't deploy his most powerful magic , i.e. historias. We didn't get to see how powerful the enhanced version can be in attack power because he didn't deploy them. And again , getting destroyed by Natsu in two punches means he's got shit durability and is a glass cannon. It doesn't mean his offense is weak.

but according @Jko since nienhart "onehsotted'' jellal then enchanted nienhart should have no problem with base natsu.

 

[atlantisreturns]

but according @Jko since nienhart "onehsotted'' jellal then enchanted nienhart should have no problem with base natsu.

As I said , being a good hitter doesn't mean your durability has to be good too. What Neinhart should do is he should spam ranged attacks like he did against Jellal while also conjuring historia. If he does so while enchanted , he can easily defeat Natsu. ( remember what was happening to Erza when 3 historia attacked simultaneously , that was his non enchanted form ) But that's not what he did. He tried to go hand to hand with Natsu despite him being a glass cannon and his durability being shit. So obviously , what did you expect to happen.

 

[Jko]

but according @Jko since nienhart "onehsotted'' jellal then enchanted nienhart should have no problem with base natsu.

Natsu has better durability showings than Jellal tho.

 

[Crimson Ice]

Wrong. Brandish couldn't affect buffed Neinhart because his magic power was more than her. So naturally her hax didn't work. If you notice , Neinhart's attacks barely left scratches on Brandish . That itself means Neinhart didn't deploy his most powerful magic , i.e. historias. We didn't get to see how powerful the enhanced version can be in attack power because he didn't deploy them. And again , getting destroyed by Natsu in two punches means he's got shit durability and is a glass cannon. It doesn't mean his offense is weak.

What do you mean wrong? Nothing I said was wrong. Brandish couldn’t beat Neinhart, that’s true regardless of what the reason was. I don’t care if Neinhart didn’t deploy his most powerful historias, I’m not giving him the benefit of the doubt above Natsu nor was that ever my intent. My post was simply made to describe why Brandish is hard to rank.

 

[GL_Nova]

Laxus thinks and Brandish is ash...

 

[Lucy>Wendy&Elfman]

Please... Laxus no-diffs.

 

[WoWfan]

I would say Brandish could get this high-diff

 

[Lucy>Wendy&Elfman]

Laxus claps

 

[FireIce]

Laxus drops the nuke he was about to kill Ajeel with and Brandish is reduced to ash.

Brandish's magic couldn't work on Neinhart enchanted by Irene lol. She ain't doing jack to someone who can kill people relative to her, lmao.

 

[WoWfan]

Laxus drops the nuke he was about to kill Ajeel with and Brandish is reduced to ash.

Brandish's magic couldn't work on Neinhart enchanted by Irene lol. She ain't doing jack to someone who can kill people relative to her, lmao.

Eh, nuke feat was iffy, considering that Ajeel was not scared but merely surprised, he even matched those who Makarov considered to be able to possible beat Laxus like Erza. Am i saying Ajeel would win against him? No, but he would still give him a decent fight nonetheless.

 

[Darklord#10]

I don't really know the answer to this question. I mean with feats laxus should be stronger but people in here also says that author's intention and portrayals matters. Until mashima states who's stronger between s12 and BDSM. If you think about it laxus should be stronger than a human form dragon god cuz he defeated kirin who's stronger than suzaku based on statements, but the problem is mashima doesn't think this way. If dragon gods are equal and suzaku defeated human form selene why was he fodder to ignia and dog? Is laxus also stronger selene human form since he defeated kirin? Mashima doesn't think like this for mashima once two characters are said to be equals they'll be equals until mashima states otherwise

 

[Ratrace]

I don't really know the answer to this question. I mean with feats laxus should be stronger but people in here also says that author's intention and portrayals matters. Until mashima states who's stronger between s12 and BDSM. If you think about it laxus should be stronger than a human form dragon god cuz he defeated kirin who's stronger than suzaku based on statements, but the problem is mashima doesn't think this way. If dragon gods are equal and suzaku defeated human form selene why was he fodder to ignia and dog? Is laxus also stronger selene human form since he defeated kirin? Mashima doesn't think like this for mashima once two characters are said to be equals they'll be equals until mashima states otherwise

This is why I think Alvarez Laxus vs. Brandish would be better because we know Laxus has gotten stronger since then but we don’t know anything about Brandish combat wise at least.
Problem Mashima will give more one character more screen time/feat than another because of that people will have to compare feats that are months -years apart and for that to work you would have to think some characters don’t get stronger at all

 

[Darklord#10]

This is why I think Alvarez Laxus vs. Brandish would be better because we know Laxus has gotten stronger since then but we don’t know anything about Brandish combat wise at least.
Problem Mashima will give more one character more screen time/feat than another because of that people will have to compare feats that are months -years apart and for that to work you would have to think some characters don’t get stronger at all

Laxus is probably one of the characters that his powers isn't constantly retconned cuz he doesn't need to be on adrenaline rush POF all the time. I mean mashima doesn't see a problem with BSS Mira struggling with J/H but she one shot Jacob. Mashima's power scaling doesn't work like normal logic. Characters need feats but for mashima it doesn't work like that cuz as long as characters are portrayed as equals it doesn't matter if the other character destroys a country or beats a stronger opponents they'd still be equals. If suzaku scales to human selene laxus one taps brandish that's just my view on this subject

 

[Ratrace]

Laxus is probably one of the characters that his powers isn't constantly retconned cuz he doesn't need to be on adrenaline rush POF all the time. I mean mashima doesn't see a problem with BSS Mira struggling with J/H but she one shot Jacob. Mashima's power scaling doesn't work like normal logic. Characters need feats but for mashima it doesn't work like that cuz as long as characters are portrayed as equals it doesn't matter if the other character destroys a country or beats a stronger opponents they'd still be equals. If suzaku scales to human selene laxus one taps brandish that's just my view on this subject

you’re right Laxus doesn’t have as many (I’m just say this because there might be some but I can’t think of any) POF moments as some characters do but he has gotten stronger since the Alvarez arc problem with Brandish is we don’t know if she grew or not since then and there’s nothing she has done that shows she has. one of the few problems I have with feats is gap between two characters Like with Laxus his last combat feat was a couple of days ago while Brandish was like a year ago. (Using FT time line)