Chapter Tower of God Chapter 459 Spoilers & Discussion

[Jedikos]

On the bright side, the themes SIU wanna explore are identified through and through, and SIU usually does it once and needs not explain similar situations all over again. For example, we have Wangnan and his sob story of failing the floor test every time, back then it was slow and we wanted to know what happened with Baam, but we came to appreciate Wangnan's case, and when someone fails the test, SIU had no need exploring their lives as well, Wang served as example for all. Kaiser's back story has made it so we don't question any bad thing the Lo Po Bia family does, floor of death made it clear people are afraid of change even if they pray for it, there are probably many places like floor of death society, so when we reach there we won't have to explain the mindset of people all over again. Now we have young people despising their historical heroes plus old people who would rather be timid and observe fake peace than rather protect their own against those that would oppress them, then comes the reality of life is not fair and the strong bully the weak theme, SIU will not have to bother with other people's backstory again since they will be similar, Delete's story will compensate for future people with the mindset of bullying the weak just because they are strong. Some of us who know these themes like the back of our hand will feel like the story has become slow, it's not like we asked SIU to educate us, but it comes with the story and we have to endure. And others are unusually patient and will enjoy every piece of the story and appreciate it too. We are all not the same and where some praise, others criticize and vice versa. It's all good. SIU does it heavily once and for all. What will remain is powerful people backing their views with the flashy powers some of us are fond of, it's just that we have to wait, even if it sometimes damps our enthusiasm.Its all good in the long run.

 

[shaheer]

White vs Kallavan + Dowon being freed isn't new content? C'mon

All of that could have happened in last chap and delete flattened in the middle of this chap with bam approaching kallavan by the end in this chap.. Earlier chaps had that amount of contents.

 

[tornidooo]

Me

We are already at season 3 at floor 52 . If SIU doesn't put uncessecary thing it could end at 1200 chaapter max .
And you put uncessary things
Red ?

Baam is not going every one of them for sure

The important and powerful characters are concentrated on the upper floors . so the next is much longer
+ Why does the assassination squad of zahard not important?

 

[Orbs2op]

Free? U think SIU will be this big without the teeming of fans? And cone on everyone has right to criticize in civil manner. Similarly you are in this forum for free. If you don't like someone's comment don't reply or ignore. Like there is this guy who's extremely negative here who called me a liar. I never reply to his comment since

Dude you guys act like every character sucks and bam needs to be a edge Lord, reread all the threads everything is the same, that character sucks, why isn't bam using all his powers against every opponents, where is urek, adori is the best, etc, it's like the chapters are an after thought, if you guys wants to hate on it why do it in the discussion thread about the story.

 

[Turtle hunter]

The guardian told bam contract are a shackle for him, if you think bam is climbing without contracts good for you.

Rankers underestimated him cause he is a regular what wrong with that? That normal in universe, and no he hasn't one shot any rankers, loops, zero and red t are all power ups, as far as his base abilities goes he is still a regular.

Stop being dramatic bam is meant to be an op character from the beginning, he always had the edge just because irregular, the way bam is written is fine I like him as a character and his approach to his own powers and friends is very good, as I said he op and I have said his powers are broken, but you have to be silly if you can't tell he is limited to floor he is on, it's how the tower works bam can ignite all his items, doesn't mean anything cause it's just raw power and that high ranker and elite rankers can produce normally, use your brain before you try to be rude.

You writing so much stuff but siu said gado was too much for bam, siu wrong too and making up bs? Or gado would have stand still like kallavan let bam use his best moves?

Okay i will explain to you . Contract are given for regular in order for them to use shinsoo . Baam doesn't really need it . He did one contract at floor one . But it is also sayed that you need to make a contract at each floor . Implying that contract effect is only limited to the floor that he made it . Tvis is basic logic . Baam not being at floor a he is not limited by a contract made at floor 1 . Again basic logic .

The problem is not that he underestimated him , but the fact that you are basing you argument on people who judge according to what they know about regular witjout taking into account that he is a speacial irregular . Thatvis wrong .

What about the fact that he injured Kallavan n would you say thatvhe can't one shot a mere ranker with that attack . What about red t attack that cut Gado leg would you say that he can't one shot that ranker .

What about that powerful ranker who struggled against Baam when he Baam was hoding back ? What about Baam who has been holding back most of his mower until now because implicitly SIU and Baam doesn't considere them a significant threat ?

Please show any indicator that shows us thla Baam is restricted . Because it is quite funny to hear that Baam is limited by something . When nothing can limit Baam thanks to his sorcerer Mom and the torn .

Lol so ranker can produce the same raw power than Baam now red T ?

And in most of these figth it isbonly a figth of raw power . They throw powerful beams

 

[brzytki]

People complained about the cage arc being constant fighting without rest and said it sucked. Now u craving constant fighting as well? What exactly do u fans even want? Lol.
Let the story build-up to fights and let the author take his time. I wouldn't even mind if SIU digresses to cheonhee's side of the story. We know somehow someway everything would combine somehow just be patient.

That's not what i wrote. My issue with the recent chapters (4) is that it could easily be contained within 2-2,5 chapters and it'd still include Baam's imprisonment, Hidden Garden flashback, townspeople turning on Canne ,Canne's doubts regarding unsealing her sister and siding with Kallavan and so on. It just wouldn't be so dragged out. As someone else already pointed out, it's been 4 chapters (1 month in RL) since Baam arrived at the wall.

For example, i was happy to see Kallavan defeating that ranker quite quickly, panel-wise. I think each and every panel in that fight is justified: showing Kallavan that ancient people manipulated shinsoo differently, picturing how meaningless it was in the face of Kallavan's raw power, finally killing the ranker and Canne's small monologue. And i'd expect Baam's co. getting rid of their ranker even faster in the next chapter, especially since he already took quite a few panels this week and the previous one. For me his flashback was unnecessary and took too many panels because it was already established in the previous chapters the townspeople care only about their peace, same with team Baam discussing that they all would attack while ranker stands still doing nothing. Those are two things i'd get rid of or significantly shorten in this chapter.

The major reason u feeling like this is cuz u following it weekly. Its easy to nitpick on things like slow pacing or what not. But drop it for like 2-3 months and binge read it again, I bet u wouldn't notice and pacing problems then.

That might be true. It's hard to see pacing problems for 4 chapters when you devour twice/thrice as much at once.

 

[Turtle hunter]

The guardian told bam contract are a shackle for him, if you think bam is climbing without contracts good for you.

Rankers underestimated him cause he is a regular what wrong with that? That normal in universe, and no he hasn't one shot any rankers, loops, zero and red t are all power ups, as far as his base abilities goes he is still a regular.

Stop being dramatic bam is meant to be an op character from the beginning, he always had the edge just because irregular, the way bam is written is fine I like him as a character and his approach to his own powers and friends is very good, as I said he op and I have said his powers are broken, but you have to be silly if you can't tell he is limited to floor he is on, it's how the tower works bam can ignite all his items, doesn't mean anything cause it's just raw power and that high ranker and elite rankers can produce normally, use your brain before you try to be rude.

You writing so much stuff but siu said gado was too much for bam, siu wrong too and making up bs? Or gado would have stand still like kallavan let bam use his best moves?

The same SIU who is saying that Baam is not yet ranker level

 

[Orbs2op]

All of that could have happened in last chap and delete flattened in the middle of this chap with bam approaching kallavan by the end in this chap.. Earlier chaps had that amount of contents.

This is ridiculously everything can happen one chapter sooner, lol why not a hundred yr time skip to zahard then?

 

[Turtle hunter]

Personally, I like reading complaints.

Some people will be happy with constant fights. Some with lore and expansion and side garbo. Some if it's sped up. Some if it stays at this pace or even slower (what did Delete eat for breakfast after all?). Some like Baam solo-ing everyone. Some like the side characters getting love.

You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time.

Oh, and I would think complaining about the pacing for the chapter IN THE CHAPTER DISCUSSION is pertinent - why would we need to be told not to complain? Should everyone just nod in agreement in how great the chapter is every week? How lame of a "forum" is that??

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Anyways, one thing this chapter does for me is confirm EoB (and thus EoB man) precedes the events of Dowan being sealed - probably by quite a while. So EoB man wasn't a contemporary of 'hidden garden' @LushuMine @EternalWinter

And AA's right back to using firefish after all lol @Wha

Yes that is what that 25 th Karaka whants alwaays says how wonderful the story is . Being in admiration before SIU . Without using our brain .

 

[shaheer]

Dude you guys act like every character sucks and bam needs to be a edge Lord, reread all the threads everything is the same, that character sucks, why isn't bam using all his powers against every opponents, where is urek, adori is the best, etc, it's like the chapters are an after thought, if you guys wants to hate on it why do it in the discussion thread about the story.

I think you need to be a bit more specific. I never said bam should be an edge Lord or should be insanely op. The one who says it is usually KD and you can ask him if he remember my response which is a big 'no'

But srsly the wall thing is being stretched. These are filler charas who we could just move away with 0 change in story weight and still with 2 chaps in we still have one of them around. That's pushing it IMHO

 

[King Dryst]

I think you need to be a bit more specific. I never said bam should be an edge Lord or should be insanely op. The one who says it is usually KD and you can ask him if he remember my response which is a big 'no'

I prefer troll protagonists to edgelords, as a matter of fact. Tatsumi Oga is the greatest manga MC to ever exist and ain't nobody gonna tell me no different.

 

[Orbs2op]

The same SIU who is saying that Baam is not yet ranker level

Bam isn't ranker level cause if he was, he would beat them has easily as regulars that how these type of story goes with defined levels, I have read a lot wuxia ln with op characters that go for couple thousand chapters, tog is similar that why I don't see the rush you guys are on, with the way things play it out, bam easily needs a lot of years to be has strong as you think he is right now by floor 75 to 80, been saying this for months.

 

[DDragneel]

Wow, someone does not even realise what boomer mean when the meme was made in their country and here I am an Indian with Hindi being the native tongue . A few of you are hardcore fans but most of us not so it is pretty much useless to reason with you all especially with those who can't even google to save them for being embarrassed. Also , damn , having a striking personality does make me giggle !

 

[shaheer]

I prefer troll protagonists to edgelords, as a matter of fact. Tatsumi Oga is the greatest manga MC to ever exist and ain't nobody gonna tell me no different.

Yeah I can see their appeal but Tog is really not that type I'd say. A pack up of this side within 5 6 chaos till we go to Yama vs yachra would have placated me

 

[Sakashi]

For the sake of other people and also for the sake of this thread. Stop jumping on each other. If you want to reply to someone then do it in a civil way like Shaheer stated. This is for the respect of everyone here.

 

[EternalWinter]

All of that could have happened in last chap and delete flattened in the middle of this chap with bam approaching kallavan by the end in this chap.. Earlier chaps had that amount of contents.

I think that would have been way too fast. It's like some of you guys want TOG to end in the next few years. Spreading that out to 2-3 chapters is fine imo. White vs Kallavan, Baam finishes up and arrives. Dowon might be free. Sets up for Kallavan to be beat back by new years

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

One thing's for sure - S3 is pretty polarizing.

 

[Pbgustang]

SIU is just prolonging the story here and now I can understand the criticism this series is getting . The main plot has not even progressed that much. They are on god damn 52 floor or something and there are like 134 or some floors even after 440 something chapters .People will defend it saying that it's fine but it is not . He release chapters every week with 100 panels for years now, maybe that's why solo levelling is a much bigger series than this.

60-100 pages per chapter yet we only got this far since S3 starts is very clear indication of many waste of panel and unimportant drama. But also thats how siu does it without breaks every week which deserve understanding. Yes, Hes losing much in story telling and character design and char development lately. Like the dengdeng drama, it is supposed to be relevan, but turns out it feels a drama of nobody and almost irrelevan - to us readers. It could be much better...like how drama of wangnan and his dead frind in hide and seek ..makes it all the way to our emotion. That was story done right. Dengdeng wasnt

Solo leveling is a much bigger series than tower of god? Lol that's new.

solo leveling indeed very exciting for its progressively fast story, nice art, clear plot as the novel already goes sooo faaar. But when you think another way, its just a dude goes from zero jumps very quick to darkhorse hero (which boys love) with such compact char+story development and good drawing. The theme is widely established in games so dont need to explain much. It wins in pace and cleaness, it doesnt need to explain the world and stuff since its on the earth, doesnt do much drama, the power concept is generic elemental and generic imaginary skill without explaining how it works or how its obtained, dont need boring training, dont need teacher, class level and type dictates result, why this why that...shallow yet indeed exciting. And the busy people today might need those: easy shonen... maybe Like one punch man. While ToG or one piece...almost everything is new and willing to go to details while maintaining so much mystery to unfold later..especially OP

Now i wonder, does hatsu really dont have role in here. Cant see how hes relevan after this even if hes got new sword and trained by white later...while even AA while son of eduan is being weirdly buffed to stay relevan to baam yet even that doesnt feel good enough to catch up. Been too long since last i see him with his crazy gambling, strategic plan and bluff which can turn the depressing situation to victory...maybe since workshop battle

 

[shaheer]

I think that would have been way too fast. It's like some of you guys want TOG to end in the next few years. Spreading that out to 2-3 chapters is fine imo. White vs Kallavan, Baam finishes up and arrives. Dowon might be free. Sets up for Kallavan to be beat back by new years

I hope bam is strong enough to beat kallavan in next arc

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Oh, har har @Pbgustang