I think you need to be a bit more specific. I never said bam should be an edge Lord or should be insanely op. The one who says it is usually KD and you can ask him if he remember my response which is a big 'no'
But srsly the wall thing is being stretched. These are filler charas who we could just move away with 0 change in story weight and still with 2 chaps in we still have one of them around. That's pushing it IMHO
I'm just speaking in general after chapter regardless of content is pointless or bam should be edgelord,etc, almost every week come on now that a bit much.
bruh I have seen people say the same thing for literally every arc, it's pointless and wouldn't shape the story, who knew hidden floor would lead to zahard given out orders and jinsung getting captured no one, again you don't know what the wall will lead to, the cage gave bam a huge power up, that more important than the dog themselves.
things serves a purpose just let the story play out instead of rushing it.
Wonder if white 'ate' those he beat in the last chap.. And if that makes him stronger.. Ie as he eats more the stronger he gets.
Also hopefully he taught bam how to use the soul powers
60-100 pages per chapter yet we only got this far since S3 starts is very clear indication of many waste of panel and unimportant drama. But also thats how siu does it without breaks every week which deserve understanding. Yes, Hes losing much in story telling and character design and char development lately. Like the dengdeng drama, it is supposed to be relevan, but turns out it feels a drama of nobody and almost irrelevan - to us readers. It could be much better...like how drama of wangnan and his dead frind in hide and seek ..makes it all the way to our emotion. That was story done right. Dengdeng wasnt
solo leveling indeed very exciting for its progressively fast story, nice art, clear plot as the novel already goes sooo faaar. But when you think another way, its just a dude goes from zero jumps very quick to darkhorse hero (which boys love) with such compact char+story development and good drawing. It wins in pace and cleaness, it doesnt need to explain the world and stuff since its on the earth, doesnt do much drama, the power concept is generic elemental and skill without explaining how it works or how its obtained, bows the training, dont need teacher, class level and type dictates result, why this why that...shallow yet indeed exciting. And the busy people today might need those: easy shonen... maybe Like one punch man. While ToG or one piece...almost everything is new and willing to go to details..especially OP
Now i wonder, does hatsu really dont have role in here. Cant see how hes relevan after this even if hes got new sword and trained by white later...while even AA while son of eduan is being weirdly buffed to stay relevan to baam yet even that doesnt feel good enough to catch up. Been too long since last i see him with his crazy gambling, strategic plan and bluff which can turn the depressing situation to victory...maybe since workshop battle
As White and Kallavan compete for whoever is a more of a douchebag, Hatsu can perhaps talk to Canne about Kallavan's real motive and of Baam to make her put two and two together and realize it's the boy her sister is waiting for.
60-100 pages per chapter yet we only got this far since S3 starts is very clear indication of many waste of panel and unimportant drama. But also thats how siu does it without breaks every week which deserve understanding. Yes, Hes losing much in story telling and character design and char development lately. Like the dengdeng drama, it is supposed to be relevan, but turns out it feels a drama of nobody and almost irrelevan - to us readers. It could be much better...like how drama of wangnan and his dead frind in hide and seek ..makes it all the way to our emotion. That was story done right. Dengdeng wasnt
solo leveling indeed very exciting for its progressively fast story, nice art, clear plot as the novel already goes sooo faaar. But when you think another way, its just a dude goes from zero jumps very quick to darkhorse hero (which boys love) with such compact char+story development and good drawing. The theme is widely established in games so dont need to explain much. It wins in pace and cleaness, it doesnt need to explain the world and stuff since its on the earth, doesnt do much drama, the power concept is generic elemental and generic imaginary skill without explaining how it works or how its obtained, dont need boring training, dont need teacher, class level and type dictates result, why this why that...shallow yet indeed exciting. And the busy people today might need those: easy shonen... maybe Like one punch man. While ToG or one piece...almost everything is new and willing to go to details while maintaining so much mystery to unfold later..especially OP
Now i wonder, does hatsu really dont have role in here. Cant see how hes relevan after this even if hes got new sword and trained by white later...while even AA while son of eduan is being weirdly buffed to stay relevan to baam yet even that doesnt feel good enough to catch up. Been too long since last i see him with his crazy gambling, strategic plan and bluff which can turn the depressing situation to victory...maybe since workshop battle
Did you just skip all the lore that was dropped here. I feel like the people who are upset "nothing" happened just skipped over what Delete and White said
As White and Kallavan compete for whoever is a more of a douchebag, Hatsu can perhaps talk to Canne about Kallavan's real motive and of Baam to make her put two and two together and realize it's the boy her sister is waiting for.
why do people want fug to look so bad. I think white will largely match Kallavan, once baam shows up it's just a rout. They free Dowon and head over to Yama. This will take about 4-5 chapters so just in time for new years imo
Of course he wouldn't but does he has a chance against Baam with all that?
Let's compare Delete with the Ranker Houndborn that Baam defeated.
First we have Delete who is someone that has been living in peace for 'supposedly' a long time (not the same time as Canne who has been there since Genesis but still a long time, Canne even forgot how to fight because all the time that passed but still she was a Ranker, so regulars weren't able to do anything against her). It's impossible that that time of peace hasn't affected Delete at all.
Then we have that Houndborn. He's a Ranker who has been fighting constantly for Paul in order to get revenge to Yama, he definitely wasn't weak even if he didn't use the transformation he was still a Ranker.
Who do you think is stronger? The one who hasn't fight for a long time or the one who has been fighting to prepare for a war without his full power.
The only reason to why Canzon grapped Gado was because he was looking down on Baam. He didn't believe Baam could do anything to Baam because he was a regular that's why he said to Baam to use the thorn as he did to get rid of Doom's black thing that opened a path to him, he didn't thought that it would do damage to Gado but he thought that at least it would distract him for a moment. And then Baam used the Red Thryssa along with Shinwonryu and cut Gado's leg. Canzon was clearly underestimating Baam thinking that he wouldn't be able to do too much.
But let's be clear with this:
1- I never said that Baam could have defeated Gado, although i never said either that he couldn't have. Why? Because we haven't seen Baam going with all his power a.k.a 'the multipliers'. He still had the Blue Thryssa, Black March, the Second Thorn, his Black Shinsoo, the ignition of Black March or the Thorns or both. He only decided to use 1 thorn and Shinwonryu with the Thryssa that he wasn't able to control yet. But again, i'm not saying that he would be able to defeat Gado, although i think he could have do it.
2- Let's not compare a Ranker who has been living in peace for a very long time to a High Ranker of a Slayer that it was implied he was 'strong'.
AS AN EXTRA
Do you remember Charlie? He was chosen to work at Zahard's altar because of his 'outstanding abilities'(season 2 chapter 308) i think we can say that at least he wasn't weak for a Ranker.
That Charlie two years ago said when Baam used the Flare Wave Explosion after Baam ate Black March that if that attack touch them they were done for. And that was 2 years ago when Baam didn't have too much control of his power, and obviously he was a lot weaker than what he's now.
So again, do you really think that Baam can't one shot a ranker with all his power ups/multipliers/whatever?
Great chap imo. Who cares if it goes to 10,000 chapters? Are you in a rush for time ? You have solo leveling to read right so why come here to complain Which is great make no mistake but TOG is a whole different world with different rules so it’s a lot more difficult it write for that .
Bam isn't ranker level cause if he was, he would beat them has easily as regulars that how these type of story goes with defined levels, I have read a lot wuxia ln with op characters that go for couple thousand chapters, tog is similar that why I don't see the rush you guys are on, with the way things play it out, bam easily needs a lot of years to be has strong as you think he is right now by floor 75 to 80, been saying this for months.
Did you just skip all the lore that was dropped here. I feel like the people who are upset "nothing" happened just skipped over what Delete and White said
Might be some..but its more about siu bad delivery of the story. You know how much the pace, the relationship, the feels and story quality drops compared to first and 2nd season. What i stressed is The drama doesnt not tear jerking, the style (like clothes, the wall resident appearance, armor and so on) .. , and down to minor things like how mellowed down karaka who was vicious- easily angered super strong slayer senpai, or the plain drawing of high ranker cha the leader of hidden garden. Its a turn off
I can agree that it need build up to reach the main dish of the arc. That build up itself is what i feel lacking in quality, resulting unsatisfactory reading experience in many area of this arc (which equal to some hundred pages or several weeks). Many thing about this season just dont click with me, thats what i feel
But the HR fight, blasting colors of attack and the super saiyan is good.
In people's haste to shit on the chapter, none of you guys even realized that white's sword had become more like the time when he faced the princess.
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why do people want fug to look so bad. I think white will largely match Kallavan, once baam shows up it's just a rout. They free Dowon and head over to Yama. This will take about 4-5 chapters so just in time for new years imo
I mostly on the side which say : most slayer > squad commander. In the many prev thrrad i was so sure that yama must be clearly stronger than kallavan. This time i just feel like white will have hard time again due to gas.
About whites sword...i dont see the change. Its still has 6 fangs till the last panel when he attack kallavan. And even if its change...isnt that just sword saved in inventory, unless it has morphing stage like zahards lecallicus
To be fair - those that are content with the pacing are the same that would be complaining the loudest if/when SIU had to rush an ending in 20 or 30 chapters (say, like Bleach). Because everything would be left open-ended and so much unresolved.
Yes, the Red Thryssa is a strong weapon. A strong weapon that Baam can't control at all.
When he attacked Gado he probably didn't control all the strength he put to the Thryssa, that's why he should try to control the Thryssa in this fight, at least level 1 Thryssa.
That should help Bam in a fight against Kallavan, 2 Thorns, power of souls, blue demon looking guy (anyone knows what is he? Lol) , imagine how far could he transform Red Bari..
he might be able to convert blue denon dude or the Thorn in to weapon!?
Bam is bound by contracts is base abilities no matter how high is still gonna have a limit, thus character can guage his overall strength, thus karaka said he should use the thorn cause it can push bam over the edge and all the rankers he faced went easy on him, if you wanna ignore what they say that your problem.
Obviously no one knows bam full powers that a reveal in itself, but as of right now in the story nothing suggest bam can one shot a ranker, then again bam running from gado=beating gado easily so say what you want, I stick to what being said and shown in the story.
Lol the same Canzon who was shocked by Baam when he cut Gado's leg .
You clearly wasn't playing attention to Baam figth until now , if yiu think thta torn is not enough to defeat Gado .
And it is clearly you that doesn't aknowledge Baam power , because you don'y whant to see Baam progresing too quickly ( and for thz story to end quickly )
SIU has clearly accelerated the pace pf the story . We was at regular level battle and now we have Slayers , commander on a battle . You are clearly dillusional here .
But i won't bother convince because i know you bother and you just whant the story to feat your idea .
So we will wait to see when Baam will give some trouble to Kallavan
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I mean she send Baam to Kallavan with a non liberated White . She doesn't really know , but know that he could stand is ground at least .
TOG is like quantity over quality. Even other real good stories like warlock of the magus world and reverend insanity have been victim to it . Well, you are arguing or just subtly abusing me because you like slow paced stories but most people don't. Anyways , why I am here ? Because I dont like naive mc but those cool ass panels got me in. I read the entire series in 3 days basically skipping every useless talk especially at the beginning of season 2 . Season was concise and good and I had to read every line in that. Bam doesn't need ass pulls right now , he has enough powers . I just want to see more of black march alone and the second in action alone . I want to see how black march will now converse with him after she was basically eaten by bam and I want to know what that blue guy thinks . I dont want another cannon fodders story like deletes. That pink hair sealed girl is something that was necessary unlike this guys .
Zahard + Family Leaders + Fug slayer and elder + Princesses of zahard +
Princes of zahard + Corps Commander + Red + Native +
Workshop + Sons of family leaders and strong personalities to which arc will be allocated ........................................... ect
Who is stupid who thinks we'll see all this in less than 2,000 chapters?
And yet, we all knew that those characters were general liabilities in any serious situation. And DBZ never made much of an effort to pretend otherwise.
You're right but that's not the whole point! It's about valuing even the weak (like Urek does) unlike Gustang's attitude which consists of disqualifying anyone who ain't a big deal as a simple "bug"!!!
No manga/manwha can be just full of OP characters!!!
Of course he wouldn't but does he has a chance against Baam with all that?
Let's compare Delete with the Ranker Houndborn that Baam defeated.
First we have Delete who is someone that has been living in peace for 'supposedly' a long time (not the same time as Canne who has been there since Genesis but still a long time, Canne even forgot how to fight because all the time that passed but still she was a Ranker, so regulars weren't able to do anything against her). It's impossible that that time of peace hasn't affected Delete at all.
Then we have that Houndborn. He's a Ranker who has been fighting constantly for Paul in order to get revenge to Yama, he definitely wasn't weak even if he didn't use the transformation he was still a Ranker.
Who do you think is stronger? The one who hasn't fight for a long time or the one who has been fighting to prepare for a war without his full power.
The only reason to why Canzon grapped Gado was because he was looking down on Baam. He didn't believe Baam could do anything to Baam because he was a regular that's why he said to Baam to use the thorn as he did to get rid of Doom's black thing that opened a path to him, he didn't thought that it would do damage to Gado but he thought that at least it would distract him for a moment. And then Baam used the Red Thryssa along with Shinwonryu and cut Gado's leg. Canzon was clearly underestimating Baam thinking that he wouldn't be able to do too much.
But let's be clear with this:
1- I never said that Baam could have defeated Gado, although i never said either that he couldn't have. Why? Because we haven't seen Baam going with all his power a.k.a 'the multipliers'. He still had the Blue Thryssa, Black March, the Second Thorn, his Black Shinsoo, the ignition of Black March or the Thorns or both. He only decided to use 1 thorn and Shinwonryu with the Thryssa that he wasn't able to control yet. But again, i'm not saying that he would be able to defeat Gado, although i think he could have do it.
2- Let's not compare a Ranker who has been living in peace for a very long time to a High Ranker of a Slayer that it was implied he was 'strong'.
AS AN EXTRA
Do you remember Charlie? He was chosen to work at Zahard's altar because of his 'outstanding abilities'(season 2 chapter 308) i think we can say that at least he wasn't weak for a Ranker.
That Charlie two years ago said when Baam used the Flare Wave Explosion after Baam ate Black March that if that attack touch them they were done for. And that was 2 years ago when Baam didn't have too much control of his power, and obviously he was a lot weaker than what he's now.
So again, do you really think that Baam can't one shot a ranker with all his power ups/multipliers/whatever?
My guy everyone said the same thing about the last station, bam gonna beat all the rankers cause bam>data z>rankers, when bam is no where near data z in power and skills, you guys need to read the dialogue from the characters, it has all the answers to everything.
That houndbound ranker still wasn't doing his best when he initially attacked bam, cause he was holding back subconsciously, and he fought as seriously as he could but his main power is metamorphosis, so he is still handicapped and bam skills are all high ranker and ranker level, that normal regulars can't execute, he still had a tough time won because of reserve flow control to stop the ranker movement to land a decisive hit with zero wave, which is him channeling his true powers, nothing easy about his win.
Against gado bam couldn't do anything at all, siu said gado didn't want to kill bam just hurt him enough to not interfere further, that exactly what happened in their fight gado said so himself and bam wouldn't be able to scratch him without red t, thorn or not cause the thorn multiples what bam does to an certain extent, while red t has been shown more than capable of taking on high rankers regardless of it's host strength, after bam cut off gado leg he ran and gado chased him, if bam could have killed him why didn't he then? Stop looking down the story and characters, to put bam over the top.
Delete seems stronger than that houndbound imo and bam ain't kallavan, so expecting him to trash him, is weird when we know about his powers and skills,when bam was using loops and zero wave and didn't one shot that houndbound, nor orbxloops could get bam close to doom, and now bam is spamming red t, he is using a lot of strength regardless of thorn or thorn ignition, in a real fight against rankers bam isn't dominating or anything of the sort, too much headcanon.
Why does having raw power equal stronger? Charlie is a rookie ranker and he could have easily killed bam as well, if Yuri didn't send bm, he was gonna attack bam and take the damage until Sharon came then karaka and white showed up, don't leave out the full story.
again bam is powerful but he is not there yet, if he was... it would be obvious cause he would be relying on his basic moves still, like at the start of the season 3, as soon as bam got red t the orb and loops have been put on ice, that alone shows bam isn't as strong as you think he is, cause he developed the loops for kallavan remember that? just a couple chapters ago he is relying mainly on metamorphosis now, the story tells you everything if you care to pay attention to it.
Bruh wtf are you talking about? Imo Bam is not a ranker get over it, I have stated all my reasons, siu went and made it an issue to separate bam abilities into training and not training, but breaks his own rules by allowing bam to use power up anyway, loops, zero wave and now red t are all above the regular level, so their is no point is acting like the thorn is some big deal now, when bam used to activate it all the time against fodders as well.
again if bam is high ranker strength what does it do for the story? Just you guys gloating about how he is the bestest ever nothing more.
As I have said siu is consistent with bam powers and limits, he fights like how I expect and the fights play out like they should, you guys see bam put a scratch on a wounded kallavan, now bam is as strong as kallavan and stronger than every ranker under him which is nonsense, I have yet to see bam take out a ship filled with rankers in one move like jinsung did and I have yet to see bam survive unhurt from a massive anti high ranker weapon also, again how many handicaps does siu have to set for kallavan now? One armed and gonna get even more weakened by white, just so bam doesn't fall to one hit like should.
Another wasted chapter... 457-459 could all be summarized in 1 chapter. There has been a major drop off in quality since the Last Train Arc, especially all the fodder characters that have been introduced besides Yama.
