Law and Sanji stated how trouble he is and they need to put him down. Idk about killing, but Sanji did beat him. It's not impossible to say like with Cracker's case who others said he WCI return to help out BM Pirates, but never did after his defeat.
Enough time has passed for Page to recover, there's no reason to believe he won't join in the fight. Wonder if Sanji and/or Zoro will fight Big Mom's guys instead of Kaidou's, and who's the stronger commanders.
Enough time has passed for Page to recover, there's no reason to believe he won't join in the fight. Wonder if Sanji and/or Zoro will fight Big Mom's guys instead of Kaidou's, and who's the stronger commanders.
Zoro didnt lose they clashed, he didnt need saving nor was he used as a hype toll to make the enemy look stronger than they actually are.
The very fact he broke his leg is actually what i mean, Sanji didnt win nor did he lose but him losing ground like that was Oda again using him as a jobber/hype toll to show us Vergo was strong.
Yeah beat Yonji and its so far his only solo win in the NW, but as for the Judge part i disagree, Niji and Ichiji showed better feats than him and also Sanji cant cry for losing because of his own naivety.
Never said he lost to Niji nor did i say they fought tho...
Enough time has passed for Page to recover, there's no reason to believe he won't join in the fight. Wonder if Sanji and/or Zoro will fight Big Mom's guys instead of Kaidou's, and who's the stronger commanders.
Same for Cracker after Luffy fight yet he never came back. Again if Oda thought he come back, he would have before Kamazou and Holder given AS heal faster, but yet nothing to say he is and if he was, Drake and Hawkins wouldn't be by themselves when we see them each time.
Dunno, but I'd agree with you if Katakuri was the only one worth anything in comparison to the Straw Hats. Wouldn't mind seeing King and Queen vs. Sanji and Zoro.
Same for Cracker after Luffy fight yet he never came back. Again if Oda thought he come back, he would have before Kamazou and Holder given AS heal faster, but yet nothing to say he is and if he was, Drake and Hawkins wouldn't be by themselves when we see them each time.
It was never meant to be fighting and dominate arc though. That's fan's ideas. Sanji did have fights, just not concluded ones. It was about giving layers abd development to his character.
No he doesn't. Pica was shit tier terrible. He ran and hide. Never was good fight even. Plus Zoro needed help of Orlumbus and Elizabetho to beat him. So wasn't a true one on one from start to finish. Zoro has shown much compare to Sanji who can fight off bigger league opponents without needing to end them.
Franky did have solid matchup of someone his size. Though Zoro wasn't really good one compare to that. Sanji beaten PO, Yonji, etc.. He has credible threats beaten. Zoro hasn't at all.
You arent helping your own case. Saying Pica was shit tier articulates that.... I am not debating any argument that puts Zoro beneath Sanji which is what it sounds like you are doing.
I am maintaining that Zoro > Sanji but only by slightly.
Zoro didnt lose they clashed, he didnt need saving nor was he used as a hype toll to make the enemy look stronger than they actually are.
The very fact he broke his leg is actually what i mean, Sanji didnt win nor did he lose but him losing ground like that was Oda again using him as a jobber/hype toll to show us Vergo was strong.
Yeah beat Yonji and its so far his only solo win in the NW, but as for the Judge part i disagree, Niji and Ichiji showed better feats than him and also Sanji cant cry for losing because of his own naivety.
Never said he lost to Niji nor did i say they fought tho...
Dunno, but I'd agree with you if Katakuri was the only one worth anything in comparison to the Straw Hats. Wouldn't mind seeing King and Queen vs. Sanji and Zoro.
Didn't a day or two pass, at most when Cracker was beaten? And he's known to be very sensitive to pain, so there's that as well.
Still an YC though. He got have something more if it takes him out awhile from one major hit alone. Again if Cracker never came back, don't be surprise on PO who is an YV.
Oda doesn't need to show anything at this point to know PO got taken out after several chapters we still don't see him.
You arent helping your own case. Saying Pica was shit tier articulates that.... I am not debating any argument that puts Zoro beneath Sanji which is what it sounds like you are doing.
I am maintaining that Zoro > Sanji but only by slightly.
Well, you siad everyone, and thats the point. That by definition would mean more than Vergo, which wasnt even a battle.
I said they are equals, not who stronger. It doesn't take special vision to know Pica truly such as a fighter and cutting stones isn't much to say about. It stands like Lexus said he hasn't five anyone credible enough to write home about unlike Sanji side. Though Sanji hasn't got ending to some his encounters too. Just pointing it out on both sides.
Generally, in shonen, you can't have a main character lose an actual fight unless it's some sort of defining moment. i.e: Zoro vs Mihawk, Kuma vs Strawhats, Kizaru and Sentomaru vs SHs etc... So when it comes to losses, the best you can do is a clash where the main character comes out clearly inferior.
I'm so over the Vergo & Sanji fight. I'm not beating that dead horse. @ThatOtherGuy sums it up perfectly. The scene is meant to be taken as it was. Further plot shows Vergo wasn't a chump.
Back to this P1 debate. What does it matter that Sanjo with his first raid suit debut off screen P1. Only thing that matters was that we were denied s much needed Sanji fight, and he were teased with just a sample of his Raid suit. Other than that, P1 more than likely got stomped, his ass whopped, beat up, and lost..None of those would be an exaggeration as Sanji was already winning the fight. Now since we didnt see the fight, fans may want to see more of what P1 was capable of...Odds and chances are we won't..why because he was someone relatively strong who lost a fight to Sanji off screen..Its not One piece typical formula to a fight, clash whatever you wanna call it..but this is what we have.
It was a clash that was used to hype up Vergo nothing more, they both landed hit and then ran away from the poison gas.
He fought Doffy and lost, he fought Judge and lost all the rest where clashed some where used to hype up the people he clashed with.
It was a clash that was used to hype up Vergo nothing more, they both landed hit and then ran away from the poison gas.
He fought Doffy and lost, he fought Judge and lost all the rest where clashed some where used to hype up the people he clashed with.
That is the problem with Oda, so we cant use it against Zoro. Since NW when he ran into the major villain he either One Short or the enemy avoids him for 1 reason or another.
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Thats what happened and you know it.
Your logic is slowly but surely getting warped with every post, can you please stop this nonsense!
I need to see you type that Zoro, an Elite Swordsman, didn't bother to at least try to cut strings....
Only then will you realize how stupid that sounds.
There are 2 things going on here....
1. You believe Zoro didn't cut the strings because he wasn't smart enough to realize Swords > Strings
Or
2. Zoro couldn't cut the strings because it had already been established that you cannot cut through the strings Birdcage is made out of and thr best option was to push it away.
So either Zoro is an idiot or couldn't cut the strings....
Generally, in shonen, you can't have a main character lose an actual fight unless it's some sort of defining moment. i.e: Zoro vs Mihawk, Kuma vs Strawhats, Kizaru and Sentomaru vs SHs etc... So when it comes to losses, the best you can do is a clash where the main character comes out clearly inferior.
Back to this P1 debate. What does it matter that Sanjo with his first raid suit debut off screen P1. Only thing that matters was that we were denied s much needed Sanji fight, and he were teased with just a sample of his Raid suit. Other than that, P1 more than likely got stomped, his ass whopped, beat up, and lost..None of those would be an exaggeration as Sanji was already winning the fight. Now since we didnt see the fight, fans may want to see more of what P1 was capable of...Odds and chances are we won't..why because he was someone relatively strong who lost a fight to Sanji off screen..Its not One piece typical formula to a fight, clash whatever you wanna call it..but this is what we have.
I am guessing it the anime will cover that in detail, but the fact that Sanji didn't get a proper fight is a bit disappointing. thats the overall point i have against Sanji's portrayal in the new world. Same can be said about others, but he's the only one left out from the monster trio in terms of fights.
It was a clash that was used to hype up Vergo nothing more, they both landed hit and then ran away from the poison gas.
He fought Doffy and lost, he fought Judge and lost all the rest where clashed some where used to hype up the people he clashed with.
Every scenario he's been, there's been a reason why he's come off worse which brings back to the original point that he's not been given a fair fight. And again, that is the only conclusive way to say Sanji is far far inferior to Zoro.
I do make sense. You never heard me saying Sanji better than Luffy or beat top tiers easily from overhype like Zoro's case. Also think you got those twisted. Sanji is underestimated and Zoro is overestimated clearly as that.
The problem is was fujitora trying too? If he was then ur saying that birdcage isn’t even capable for an admiral level tier to cut and by that logic luffy can’t cut it either
Actually no. Fujitora could do something, but at the time WG couldn't do anything given reputation and status of Warlord system. They can't just go after Doffy and everything without proper authority (Gorosei or higher), so which is why Fujitora placed his bet on Luffy instead on dealing things himself.
Agreed, but saying that to prove Sanji is inferior by a large margin? fair???
I am guessing it the anime will cover that in detail, but the fact that Sanji didn't get a proper fight is a bit disappointing. thats the overall point i have against Sanji's portrayal in the new world. Same can be said about others, but he's the only one left out from the monster trio in terms of fights.
Every scenario he's been, there's been a reason why he's come off worse which brings back to the original point that he's not been given a fair fight. And again, that is the only conclusive way to say Sanji is far far inferior to Zoro.
Oda did said he let anime fills on stuff he couldn't show, so should take it Canon with Canon fillers in Canon arcs.
Sanji issues isn't because he can't face them, just needing ending to fights. Similar opposite to Zoro who got end fights, but no one credible. When he does, he get hype tool or can't beat them face to face more.
Yes, he couldnt cut Birdcage while Abdullah and Jeet have cut the exact same strings.
Yes, there is proof. Summon Asura and treat Parasite like the fodder move that it is.
It wasn't the same string. One of the things that makes Mingo the best villain portrayed in the series is his versatility with the fruit. We've seen him use his string as a whip, as a weapon and even a cage. So its not fair to assume it was the same string those guys cut when the attacked the clone is what i am assuming you mean.
Now regarding Mingo vs Zoro, i dont think Zoro would've pawned Mingo surely, but perhaps he would've faired better than Sanji. In Tottoland arc, Sanji showed immense speed which could've helped, but not from what we knew in Dressrosa. So Zoro would've faired better than Sanji, but pawned Mingo, dont think so.
The problem is was fujitora trying too? If he was then ur saying that birdcage isn’t even capable for an admiral level tier to cut and by that logic luffy can’t cut it either
If you want to get technical, to cut something, you need something thinner. So if birdcage threads are thinner than the sword, it'll cut the sword and the convese, sword would need to have a thinner end. So swordsmen cutting the cage will depend on that.
That's what makes birdcage deadly.
Except he directly addressed us and stated the marines had no right to be the saviors of the country they had a hand in subjugating.... it's why he and Akainu got into it so heatedly and Akainu badded him from all marine bases.
Your comment is directly contradicted.
Does it make sense? No it does not... but that's what happened.
Ur not getting the point I’m talking about destroying birdcage not defeating DD. Destroying birdcage=\=DD defeat. I mean if that’s the case he shouldn’t have held off birdcage Birdcage was hurting civilians too Which is also his job
