What are you talking about? Stat-wise? What that hell is that? Did you want her to punch someone through a mountain or something? How would anyone guess Erza's stats? Visually they're the exact same as they were at the start of the manga. Erza has always displayed her improvement by whipping out better equipment.
Pretty much every character in the new manga has shown enormous improvements over their Alvarez selves.
Lucy can now combine Star Dresses and even has her own nuke.
Elfman has a new form.
Lisanna has two new forms.
Mirajane almost certainly has a new form(I swear to god Mashima).
Erza herself has 3 new enormously powerful weapons.
Laxus finally has his own mode.
Natsu has a new FDK spell so powerful it's literally the difference between being unable to scratch a foe and putting them down.
And Wendy can friggin High Enchant.
The only characters we haven't yet seen a powerup for is Gray(who will almost certainly get one soon) and Gajeel(who got shafted with an off-paneled fight). Pretty much everyone is powered up massively, arguably more so than they did in Alvarez.
Has yet to do anything stat wise to say she is stronger than her Alvarez incarnation. Literally yeah. Natsu came out of the one year timeskip punching mountains and destroying stuff and here no one has done nothing impressive.
What does new forms have to do with anything? Elfman hasn't show nothing to say he is stronger either nor was that form stated to be new. Lisanna got a new trump but it did crap so lol.
But it could just be a 9D form which she would have access to in Alvarez.
That he got in Alvarez.
New FDK spell in Base that's weaker than anything he had done in FDKM or DF.
She doing the same level of spells she showed in the Alvarez arc.
Nothing on the level of PoF Erza has done lol.
Gray is straight up weaker and Gajeel doesn't got his DF boost. Natsu stamina also looks worse than Lucy's lol.
Nah the jump is basically what most got in Alvarez. Erza just got new swords, Laxus obtained the same power along with Wendy and Lucy and Lisanna got buffed. Gray and Gajeel are both not as strong as they were in Alvarez.
It's one year between the last fight with Acno and the final chapter of Fairy Tail. Everyone has a party, Levy gets pregnant, etc. Dunno how long after that 100 year quest started, but it's been a year since Alvarez. So in terms of time they've had as long as their Tartaros selves had to power up into their Alvarez selves, and their improvements are certainly noticeable(except Gray for now, and Gajeel)
In that case I'll double down on them being stronger.
Yea, Gray needs a good fight. His skirmish with Skullion was during the DE hype phase, and Brandish intervened (btw I hope she gets a 1-year power up lol). He'll develop an Ice Make tech which does something similar to Ash. I wonder if he has Invel's Ice Kamui, or an upgraded version of it.
Gajeel has to get DF confirmed. At least he's able to keep up with Natsu (base/LFD), which is an impressive feat.
Has yet to do anything stat wise to say she is stronger than her Alvarez incarnation. Literally yeah. Natsu came out of the one year timeskip punching mountains and destroying stuff and here no one has done nothing impressive.
What does new forms have to do with anything? Elfman hasn't show nothing to say he is stronger either nor was that form stated to be new. Lisanna got a new trump but it did crap so lol.
But it could just be a 9D form which she would have access to in Alvarez.
That he got in Alvarez.
New FDK spell in Base that's weaker than anything he had done in FDKM or DF.
She doing the same level of spells she showed in the Alvarez arc.
Nothing on the level of PoF Erza has done lol.
Gray is straight up weaker and Gajeel doesn't got his DF boost. Natsu stamina also looks worse than Lucy's lol.
Nah the jump is basically what most got in Alvarez. Erza just got new swords, Laxus obtained the same power along with Wendy and Lucy and Lisanna got buffed. Gray and Gajeel are both not as strong as they were in Alvarez.
Still don't get what you mean by stat wise. They've all shown their improvement, so they're all stronger.
New forms, new powers, new spells, new magic, they all signify improvement, as does the timeskip itself.
Don't know why you're talking about Natsu busting mountains when you so feverishly claim Natsu wasn't holding back in the guild hall with those chair busting attacks. Matching Laxus is better than busting a meteor.
Could be a new 9D form and I hope it is, but the simple act of showing it on panel signifies improvement. It's like Sitri, Mira always had it, but her bringing it out on panel was clearly the visual representation of her improvement.
Ahhh
The laxus wank
Any hype that laxus gets must be true lol
Even though he shows nothing even near that hype
Ajeel gave erza a high diff fight
But now we have to complicate the situation to keep laxus hype alive
How? Simple, stronger people dont necessarily have to have better stats.
So ajeel can give a high diff fight to erza.
And ajeel can die by a causal laxus move.
But for some unknown reason laxus cant even knockout erza with a causal move. Hell laxus cant even kill mira with a causal move
Basically a character can have durability alot less than his tier even if he is a physical type mage.
This brings up sh!t possibility of aria having better durability than jose
Azuma having better durability than bluenote
And kagura having better durability than jura.
Before this sh!t it was normally accepted that if you rank someone in some tier, they would generally share similarities in their capabilities. No one will be talking about jura durability or his speed or his attack power compared to say kagura. Because it was simply accepted that jura should out class some who is not on his tier.
Yes their were some exceptions, small differences like jellal durability vs laxus durability. But again jellal durability will be undoubtedly above kaguras
Another exception is no physical mage, who rely on spirits or historias. They can have lowers stats. But for everyone else it was simple
Now for laxus, we have to come up with sh!t like this.
The guy never one shot even one springgans but alas, its after all laxus hype.
1) Same having the same amount of magic power doesn't mean you have the sameattack power. It also doesn't mean that your defense is equal to your opponent's attack power. 2) Power of feelings is simply power that comes from emotions. Natsu was enraged because he thought Lucy had died, so he had POF. There simply is no such thing as a casual END. END's power only activates when Natsu taps into his emotions. Saying that Laxus had POF when he fought Wall is meaningless because Natsu had POF when he had END's power as well, and Laxus' feats were still better. Quite frankly, if Laxus' punches were weaker than END's punches, then Erza should be able to stop them with her bare hands. 3) August literally said that he would feel sad if any of his comrades would die. There's no reason to doubt August's judgement here. Him saying that Serena was with him in his heart isn't even remotely similar as an example. 4) Aria was oneshotted by Makarov. Aria had plenty of time to recover after Erza's slash. People get back up from getting knocked down all the time. By the way, how do you know Erza did most of the damage here? How do you know Makarov's punch didn't do most of the damage? As far as I can tell, Aria got back up after Erza's slash and still had enough magic power to attempt a sneak attack. Nobody got back up after Makarov. Being stronger does generally mean you have better durability. That only helps to prove my case because Gajeel is stronger than Aria. In fact, not only is Gajeel stronger than Aria, but he also he has a magic that is better suited for defense. 5) Rival doesn't mean you are equals. You can be rivals on a personal level, but be vastly different when it comes to actual power level. Natsu has always been stronger than Gray, and has outshined in feats in every arc except the Tartaros arc. Levy and Gildarts aren't rivals on a personal level or in terms of power, so this is an extremely odd example. 6) Erza knew Natsu was special because he was a dragon slayer. That's the reason why everyone thought he was special too. People like Simon even knew that he was raised by Igneel, and Igneel is kind of a big deal for those that were familiar with dragons. Erza doesn't know Natsu is the main character. That would require her to know that she's in a fictional story....which isn't the case here. Oracion Seis caught the group off guard. In their rematch, Racer couldn't solo Gray and Lyon. 7) Pre-1st timeskip Jura was indeed the weakest wizard saint and would have been weaker than Jose. GMG Jura was the 5th ranked wizard saint, meaning he got stronger than Makarov. Laxus has always been stronger than GMG Jura. Again, there's no power-up for Laxus during the 1st timeskip. After he got back from Tenrou Island, there was only 3 months before the Grand Magic Games started. During that time, Laxus was never specifically stated to have trained. He just showed up. For all practical purposes, GMG Laxus is the exact same power level as Tenrou Laxus....and this version of Laxus can beat GMG Jura. 8) How did it not factor in Minerva? Jura hadn't fought Orga when Minerva used the war god spell. The most you can say is that her attack was stronger than the attack he used on the MPF, which wasn't him going all out anyways. 9) You're basically saying Laxus had better showings than Erza because plot demanded it. To which I say, so what? Erza of all characters should not be complaining about having plot dictate favorable showings. 10) Laxus can casually kill Ajeel. He can't casually kill Wall because Wall built himself to be immune to lightning, so he needed "lightning that surpassed lightning". That was his red lightning.
To answer your questions:
In terms of magic power, Jellal and Laxus are equals. Both of them giving their magic to Natsu was comparable to etherion. In terms of how strong they actually are in combat, it's anyone's guess, but I would favor Laxus.
Erza wasn't taken out by underhanded methods. Sure Jellal used a snake-bind on her, but she got out of it by the time Jellal casted Altairis. If Erza was a match for Jellal, she would have fought him then.
Erza was removed from the fight to take down Thunder Palace....which was one of Laxus' spells. The damage she took from that took her out anyways. Also, Laxus would have simply killed everyone had Fairy Law actually worked. Fairy Tail only survived Laxus because he viewed them as friends.
Pre-timeskip Erza was already comparable to a Wizard Saint, yes. Indeed second origin would bring her closer to the 5th rank. That's why I say Erza after she released second origin closed the gap between Laxus. Erza during the fighting festival arc, however, wasn't on his level.
1) than what does it mean?
2)ok ok assuming you are correct, we are still comparing normal laxus punches with END punches. Red lightening is not something laxus could do constantly?
3) why is there not.
Was ajeel confidence shattered?
It simple hard to believe someone who can give erza a hard fight will die so easily by a character who isnt even that above erza
4) err. So you basically get up from being knocked out fully healed? Erza finished him. When he finally regained consciousness you think he is hundred percent? Dude seriously. They left after that, assure you aria did get up
This impossible to tell now. If ajeel can high diff erza but have massively low durability than erza. Than i need a specific comment stating gajeel is more durable than aria. Just being stronger is not enough now. Just because of that laxus hype
5) they were rivals physically. They fought each other all the time. No one ever said natsu is stronger to grays face. They were in each tier. That is how these mangas work
6) sigh!
So you are saying gray can solo racer after knowing his magic
So going by their previous showing
Erza should besolo cobra, racer and hoteye together
My question was, why was the initial take down so different. Why didnt mishma had racer put erza down, just like he did with natsu and gray. Why did mishma had three OS working on erza, while everyone else had one or less than one
7) er are you sure? I am pretty sure laxus trained? Wasnt pre ts laxus = pre ts jellal.
Gmg jellal had alot of time. He should be couple tiers above gmg laxus, if laxus didnt train
So SO erza is equal to gmg jura?
Or did the main character get less power boost compared to everyone else
8) because Minerva stats dont exists
That is ogra strongest move.
Minerva god spell is above it hype wise.
Ogra wanted to see if jura could take a hit from that very spell. Jura agreed but dodged it instead (tricking ogra, ogra never challenged jura to a fight). But a kagura and pre ts erza took it with minimal damage
9) no i am saying it that is not comparison, dont use it. Otherwise i am gonna talk about tenrou lucy being above tenrou gildarts. Some things are easily plot demands nothing else. Otherwise makarov or jellal will have better showing than injured laxus
10) laxus cannot kill any springgans causally period. Not even nienhart. To kill someone, you have to be massively above them. Like hades vs wendy, hades would have to put in an effort on one spell to kill her, jellal simon is a good example
Like ff laxus vs ff natsu. Laxus cant kill that natsu, even with his two strongest move
Laxus vs springgans is different. Laxus can maybe mid diff normal springgans, meaning difference is even less than ff laxus and ff natsu. Killing is not even a possibility
Bind snake was underhand. She had no magic afterwards.
Again why mishma did not show jellal stomping erza, to show clear difference in power?
It was laxus trap spell. This is not indication of laxus power. Laxus was saving up to finally surpass markarov. Again, what was the point? Mishma could atleast have shown us laxus stomping erza to show us the difference in power.
Again is SO erza equal to gmg jura or not. Of not, why not?
Why wasnt the huge power gap you speak of in fighting festival isnt shown in fighting festival by laxus stomping erza.
To me, it was clear in both arcs, heaven arc and ff arc
Erza jellal and laxus were deliberately kept from each other. To keep us guessing who is stronger
Indeed jellal wondered who would win erza or him
Markarov thought erza could take laxus
Hell, jellal even thought erza could take zero.
Ahhh
The laxus wank
Any hype that laxus gets must be true lol
Even though he shows nothing even near that hype
Ajeel gave erza a high diff fight
But now we have to complicate the situation to keep laxus hype alive
How? Simple, stronger people dont necessarily have to have better stats.
So ajeel can give a high diff fight to erza.
And ajeel can die by a causal laxus move.
But for some unknown reason laxus cant even knockout erza with a causal move. Hell laxus cant even kill mira with a causal move
Basically a character can have durability alot less than his tier even if he is a physical type mage.
This brings up sh!t possibility of aria having better durability than jose
Azuma having better durability than bluenote
And kagura having better durability than jura.
Before this sh!t it was normally accepted that if you rank someone in some tier, they would generally share similarities in their capabilities. No one will be talking about jura durability or his speed or his attack power compared to say kagura. Because it was simply accepted that jura should out class some who is not on his tier.
Yes their were some exceptions, small differences like jellal durability vs laxus durability. But again jellal durability will be undoubtedly above kaguras
Another exception is no physical mage, who rely on spirits or historias. They can have lowers stats. But for everyone else it was simple
Now for laxus, we have to come up with sh!t like this.
The guy never one shot even one springgans but alas, its after all laxus hype.
Ahhh, the Laxus hate. Where every comment you make has to be about Laxus.
FT durability>Spriggan durability, it's always been a thing. In fact we argued it before Laxus vs Erza started.
Those characters would have to prove their high durability like FT has.
That was before spriggans.
He oneshot Wahl, would have oneshot Ajeel. Natsu two shot Neinhart and Dimaria, Jellal oneshot Neinhart. Spriggans are oneshottable, because they're weak, they've always been weak, nothing new needs to be made up, I've told you all this long before Laxus took on Erza. Ajeel is as paper thin as Erza's lightning armor lol.
Ahhh, the Laxus hate. Where every comment you make has to be about Laxus.
FT durability>Spriggan durability, it's always been a thing. In fact we argued it before Laxus vs Erza started.
Those characters would have to prove their high durability like FT has.
That was before spriggans.
He oneshot Wahl, would have oneshot Ajeel. Natsu two shot Neinhart and Dimaria, Jellal oneshot Neinhart. Spriggans are oneshottable, because they're weak, they've always been weak, nothing new needs to be made up, I've told you all this long before Laxus took on Erza. Ajeel is as paper thin as Erza's lightning armor lol.
Meanwhile in other threads people are saying that they ranked gray above erza in the last arc
Or laxus is on human irene tier
Laxus gets no hate. He just get extreme wanked
I like how you say he one shot wahl. Pof is like literally ignored in laxus case
When did aconologia prove his durability? When did August prove his durability?When did jura prove his durability? When did silver prove his durability?
Meanwhile in other threads people are saying that they ranked gray above erza in the last arc
Or laxus is on human irene tier
Laxus gets no hate. He just get extreme wanked
I like how you say he one shot wahl. Pof is like literally ignored in laxus case
When did aconologia prove his durability? When did August prove his durability?When did jura prove his durability? When did silver prove his durability?
Gray above Erza? Where?
Laxus prob is human Eileen tier.
He gets hate... Just look up %90 of your posts.
Why wouldn’t I? He was hyped to oneshot a spriggan and he did the deed. Nice and clean. As for PoF, do you see me saying Erza is weaker than Minerva without PoF? That she couldn’t beat Ikaruga without PoF? Even Kyoka I have always maintained is weaker than Erza despite the PoF, idk what you want from me.
When he tanked attacks from Gajeel, Laxus, Jellal, Eileen and Igneel.
When he tanked punches from Laxus.
Silver has stats given by Mashima
1) than what does it mean?
2)ok ok assuming you are correct, we are still comparing normal laxus punches with END punches. Red lightening is not something laxus could do constantly?
3) why is there not.
Was ajeel confidence shattered?
It simple hard to believe someone who can give erza a hard fight will die so easily by a character who isnt even that above erza
4) err. So you basically get up from being knocked out fully healed? Erza finished him. When he finally regained consciousness you think he is hundred percent? Dude seriously. They left after that, assure you aria did get up
This impossible to tell now. If ajeel can high diff erza but have massively low durability than erza. Than i need a specific comment stating gajeel is more durable than aria. Just being stronger is not enough now. Just because of that laxus hype
5) they were rivals physically. They fought each other all the time. No one ever said natsu is stronger to grays face. They were in each tier. That is how these mangas work
6) sigh!
So you are saying gray can solo racer after knowing his magic
So going by their previous showing
Erza should besolo cobra, racer and hoteye together
My question was, why was the initial take down so different. Why didnt mishma had racer put erza down, just like he did with natsu and gray. Why did mishma had three OS working on erza, while everyone else had one or less than one
7) er are you sure? I am pretty sure laxus trained? Wasnt pre ts laxus = pre ts jellal.
Gmg jellal had alot of time. He should be couple tiers above gmg laxus, if laxus didnt train
So SO erza is equal to gmg jura?
Or did the main character get less power boost compared to everyone else
8) because Minerva stats dont exists
That is ogra strongest move.
Minerva god spell is above it hype wise.
Ogra wanted to see if jura could take a hit from that very spell. Jura agreed but dodged it instead (tricking ogra, ogra never challenged jura to a fight). But a kagura and pre ts erza took it with minimal damage
9) no i am saying it that is not comparison, dont use it. Otherwise i am gonna talk about tenrou lucy being above tenrou gildarts. Some things are easily plot demands nothing else. Otherwise makarov or jellal will have better showing than injured laxus
10) laxus cannot kill any springgans causally period. Not even nienhart. To kill someone, you have to be massively above them. Like hades vs wendy, hades would have to put in an effort on one spell to kill her, jellal simon is a good example
Like ff laxus vs ff natsu. Laxus cant kill that natsu, even with his two strongest move
Laxus vs springgans is different. Laxus can maybe mid diff normal springgans, meaning difference is even less than ff laxus and ff natsu. Killing is not even a possibility
Bind snake was underhand. She had no magic afterwards.
Again why mishma did not show jellal stomping erza, to show clear difference in power?
It was laxus trap spell. This is not indication of laxus power. Laxus was saving up to finally surpass markarov. Again, what was the point? Mishma could atleast have shown us laxus stomping erza to show us the difference in power.
Again is SO erza equal to gmg jura or not. Of not, why not?
Why wasnt the huge power gap you speak of in fighting festival isnt shown in fighting festival by laxus stomping erza.
To me, it was clear in both arcs, heaven arc and ff arc
Erza jellal and laxus were deliberately kept from each other. To keep us guessing who is stronger
Indeed jellal wondered who would win erza or him
Markarov thought erza could take laxus
Hell, jellal even thought erza could take zero.
1) Having the same magic power just means you have the same amount of magic power. How that magic power translates into attack power, durability, ect is still determined by the merits of their feats. 2) Red lightning is something that Laxus can do constantly. It's a mode. He may have figured it out by chance during the Alvarez arc, but it's not something that exhausts his power. Furthermore, Laxus only needed red lightning against Wall because Wall was immune to his regular lightning. This isn't an issue with the Spriggans that aren't immune to his regular lightning in the first place. 3) Ajeel thought he could solo the entirety of Ishgar and that he was much stronger than God Serena. He got whipped by Elfman and Lisanna. That's overconfidence. August is the strongest mage in the series that is not a dragon. He should have a good idea of what is necessary to beat Ajeel. 4) No Aria wasn't fully healed. But he recovered enough so that he could use magic. The durability of Aria's body doesn't really change. Like I said, not only is Gajeel stronger than Aria (which should already warrant his durability as being higher), but Gajeel's magic specifically enhances his durability by covering his skin with a layer of dragon scales. Aria's magic does no such thing. The most Aria's magic offers is the ability to turn intangible, which doesn't actually matter if he gets blitzed....like what happened with Makarov. Gajeel has taken hits that were better than Makarov's non-titan punches. 5) Natsu and Gray have never fought each other seriously, and guild brawls don't count because nobody ever fights seriously in those. Natsu is stronger because his feats are better. When Fukuro used Natsu's power against Gray, a single roar dealt enough damage to take him out for the rest of the arc. 6) I didn't say that Gray could solo Racer. But he and Lyon together could beat Racer because they weren't caught by surprise, and Gray figured out Racer's magic. Erza wasn't caught by surprise in the first place, and I have no idea if she can take on Cobra, Lyon, and Hoteye all at once. 7) Where was it mentioned that Laxus trained? Jellal was on Laxus' level in terms of magic power because of how strong they made Natsu. I still said I favored Laxus, didn't I? This is a perfect example of why mages with equal amounts of magic power aren't necessarily equal when it comes to their attacks. Even though Jellal matched Laxus in terms of MP, many of Laxus' attacks were still better. His roar does more damage than Grand Chariot and Fairy Law was unrivaled until Jellal learnt Sema. GMG Jellal was still on Jura's level, and had to go all out with his best spell in order to beat Jura. So whatever gains you think he made over the 7 years... He still scales to that. Second Origin made Erza is closer to GMG Jura's level, yes. 8) It doesn't matter if Minerva's stats don't exist. Orga was stated to be the strongest in the guild, including Minerva. We don't need to know what Minerva's exact stats are. At best, they would be equal to Orga's because he's the strongest. Orga's best attack wasn't the attack he used on the MPF. His best attack was the attack he used against Jura, which is a different attack. Your argument was that Jura noted the war god spell to be powerful after witnessing Orga's best attack, and this is false. Jura only met up with Orga after Minerva had already used her war god spell. 9) Lol why is it not a comparison? Just because you don't like it? Tenrou Lucy and Gildarts have nothing to do with it, and Gildarts has better showings than Lucy regardless. Lucy couldn't even move under Bluenote's gravity. Gildarts beat Bluenote. 10) Laxus can kill Ajeel casually, and would likely kill any Spriggan with Ajeel's durability or less. Wall wasn't a typical Spriggan because Wall specifically modified his body to be immune to regular lightning, so Laxus needed something special to counter that. Who says that Laxus couldn't have casually killed Natsu during the fighting festival arc? Laxus could have easily killed Natsu. His roar and his heavenward halberd wasn't his best attack. His best attack is Fairy Law, and Fairy Law would have killed everyone in Magnolia if Laxus actually saw them as his enemies.
Bind snake just stopped Erza from moving. It doesn't drain magic. Erza was out of bind snake by the time Natsu pulled her from the etherion crystal. If Erza was capable of beating Jellal, she would have done so then. Or after she woke up after Natsu knocked her out.
Thunder Palace was one of Laxus' spells. How is that not an indication of his power? Laxus even said that he doesn't need Thunder Palace to beat everyone. Fairy Law would have done the same thing.
I've already answered your question. Second origin puts Erza close to Jura's level. Close enough that if you want to argue that she's on Jura's level, I wouldn't argue against it.
Gray above Erza? Where?
Laxus prob is human Eileen tier.
He gets hate... Just look up %90 of your posts.
Why wouldn’t I? He was hyped to oneshot a spriggan and he did the deed. Nice and clean. As for PoF, do you see me saying Erza is weaker than Minerva without PoF? That she couldn’t beat Ikaruga without PoF? Even Kyoka I have always maintained is weaker than Erza despite the PoF, idk what you want from me.
When he tanked attacks from Gajeel, Laxus, Jellal, Eileen and Igneel.
When he tanked punches from Laxus.l
Silver has stats given by Mashima
So i am like the only guy who hates laxus here?
I hate laxus because the wank he gets from fan (and its super fun because people get riled up to defend laxus honor).
But check out how many people hate erza, but alas you only protect laxus reputation
In the chapter discussion thread
Yeah that is what i mean laxus is probably is irene tier. For some unknown reason i cant find anywhere stating gmg erza being gmg jura tier. Could you point me a link to this very thread, you know around the time gmg last day was going on. So i can see how many people put gmg erza on gmg jura tier then
He was hyped because mishma wasnt gonna give him anything else
Actually you do, i dont see you saying alvarez erza can causally over power strong august moves. All you are saying all feats of erza can be easily given to laxus
Aconologia is immune to magic, so tanked non magic gajeel punch. So his durability is below erza?
August neutralize laxus nuke, he didnt tank it. He blocked it using magic
So jura durability is high because he can take laxus punches lol. Natsu and gajeel can take laxus punches as well. So gmg jura durability is around gmg gajeel durability?
Haha like how silver had to use stats. Poor guy has no feats to prove his durability
I am guessing you believe mishma actually believes his over hyped springgans to have glass durability
Ajeel has pretty decent durability. Only problem on his durability record is laxus hype. Which obviously just some statement and doesnt neccessary have to be true (jellal couldnt do it, natsu couldnt do it, erza couldnt do it. But of course laxus)
1) Having the same magic power just means you have the same amount of magic power. How that magic power translates into attack power, durability, ect is still determined by the merits of their feats. 2) Red lightning is something that Laxus can do constantly. It's a mode. He may have figured it out by chance during the Alvarez arc, but it's not something that exhausts his power. Furthermore, Laxus only needed red lightning against Wall because Wall was immune to his regular lightning. This isn't an issue with the Spriggans that aren't immune to his regular lightning in the first place. 3) Ajeel thought he could solo the entirety of Ishgar and that he was much stronger than God Serena. He got whipped by Elfman and Lisanna. That's overconfidence. August is the strongest mage in the series that is not a dragon. He should have a good idea of what is necessary to beat Ajeel. 4) No Aria wasn't fully healed. But he recovered enough so that he could use magic. The durability of Aria's body doesn't really change. Like I said, not only is Gajeel stronger than Aria (which should already warrant his durability as being higher), but Gajeel's magic specifically enhances his durability by covering his skin with a layer of dragon scales. Aria's magic does no such thing. The most Aria's magic offers is the ability to turn intangible, which doesn't actually matter if he gets blitzed....like what happened with Makarov. Gajeel has taken hits that were better than Makarov's non-titan punches. 5) Natsu and Gray have never fought each other seriously, and guild brawls don't count because nobody ever fights seriously in those. Natsu is stronger because his feats are better. When Fukuro used Natsu's power against Gray, a single roar dealt enough damage to take him out for the rest of the arc. 6) I didn't say that Gray could solo Racer. But he and Lyon together could beat Racer because they weren't caught by surprise, and Gray figured out Racer's magic. Erza wasn't caught by surprise in the first place, and I have no idea if she can take on Cobra, Lyon, and Hoteye all at once. 7) Where was it mentioned that Laxus trained? Jellal was on Laxus' level in terms of magic power because of how strong they made Natsu. I still said I favored Laxus, didn't I? This is a perfect example of why mages with equal amounts of magic power aren't necessarily equal when it comes to their attacks. Even though Jellal matched Laxus in terms of MP, many of Laxus' attacks were still better. His roar does more damage than Grand Chariot and Fairy Law was unrivaled until Jellal learnt Sema. GMG Jellal was still on Jura's level, and had to go all out with his best spell in order to beat Jura. So whatever gains you think he made over the 7 years... He still scales to that. Second Origin made Erza is closer to GMG Jura's level, yes. 8) It doesn't matter if Minerva's stats don't exist. Orga was stated to be the strongest in the guild, including Minerva. We don't need to know what Minerva's exact stats are. At best, they would be equal to Orga's because he's the strongest. Orga's best attack wasn't the attack he used on the MPF. His best attack was the attack he used against Jura, which is a different attack. Your argument was that Jura noted the war god spell to be powerful after witnessing Orga's best attack, and this is false. Jura only met up with Orga after Minerva had already used her war god spell. 9) Lol why is it not a comparison? Just because you don't like it? Tenrou Lucy and Gildarts have nothing to do with it, and Gildarts has better showings than Lucy regardless. Lucy couldn't even move under Bluenote's gravity. Gildarts beat Bluenote. 10) Laxus can kill Ajeel casually, and would likely kill any Spriggan with Ajeel's durability or less. Wall wasn't a typical Spriggan because Wall specifically modified his body to be immune to regular lightning, so Laxus needed something special to counter that. Who says that Laxus couldn't have casually killed Natsu during the fighting festival arc? Laxus could have easily killed Natsu. His roar and his heavenward halberd wasn't his best attack. His best attack is Fairy Law, and Fairy Law would have killed everyone in Magnolia if Laxus actually saw them as his enemies.
Bind snake just stopped Erza from moving. It doesn't drain magic. Erza was out of bind snake by the time Natsu pulled her from the etherion crystal. If Erza was capable of beating Jellal, she would have done so then. Or after she woke up after Natsu knocked her out.
Thunder Palace was one of Laxus' spells. How is that not an indication of his power? Laxus even said that he doesn't need Thunder Palace to beat everyone. Fairy Law would have done the same thing.
I've already answered your question. Second origin puts Erza close to Jura's level. Close enough that if you want to argue that she's on Jura's level, I wouldn't argue against it.
1) and what if they dont have feats. Like majority of villians who aren't boss character or dont come across natsu.
And what kind of feat. Large aoe, being able to throw people far away or Actually taking out poeple?
2) red lightening is laxus strongest move. In Alvarez laxus was amped up pof as well. Why i should use this and say laxus casually can do this. I dont see you saying that erza can causally over power August top tier moves.
3) strongest mage does not make him any more reliable. Meanwhile ajeel confidence was not even remotely damaged
4) sooo. Getting hit by a car doesnt change victim durability? Erza got aria form 100% to 0%. Aria regained consciousness and tried to sneak markarov and markarov took aria hp 5% to 0%.
So gajeel is a tier above aria in durability? So wrecked erza one shot arai, fully erza can seriously damage gajeel with same attack.
5) natsu feats are better because he is a main character. He has taken every single boss. He gets most panels. His fights are the longest.
And yet mishma keeps on showing gray not to be too far from natsu. That owl guy beat natsu. He easily tanked natsu moves too. Gray took him out after he was using his own power with natsu add on. Even that same stats you keep on taking about gray isnt that far from.natsu.
Yet erza had no problem beating natsu
Gildarts had no problem beating natsu
Why was only natsu being considerate for gray here (complete opposite of his personality)
Why did mishma do this?why were they rivals
6) erza was caught by suprise. Worse than natsu was. She was attacking cobra and when racer appeared. And unlike natsu she easily blocked racer. Her performance against os in the start of the arc was couple of tiers above natsu.
Again why did mishma do this if erza is same as natsu?
7) everyone trained. Only gildart was said not to need training. Only erza was the person who went through the entire gmg without a power up. Everyone else did train or got SO.
Laxus.pretty sure might have gone with raijinshu to train
You are confusing me
Pre ts jellal = pre ts laxus
7 years time skip jellal = pre ts laxus (still? if laxus didnt train)?
Impossible to tell. Laxus roar doesnt have as mush feats as GC
I rank in pre ts
GC > heaven wing > lightening dragon roar
Natsu was literally trembling after getting up from GC. GC was direct force hit. No extra effect was there like penetration effect of blomblatt
Blinded aria was easily above natsu. Full powered aria was one shot by wrecked erza heaven wings. Fully fresh erza heaven wings will be even more devastating. I obviously assume, that dormant power for pof and nothing else (consistent with fairy tail entire story). And stronger mages should have durability of that level.
Laxus dragon roar nearly took out natsu and gajeel. But the roar had an extra effect of lightening, they couldnt move thier bodies because of it.
8) yes it matters, because Minerva wasn't taken into consideration. What difference were in the two spells? I thought they were the same. And Minerva move was still hyped to be above it
9) not so easy.
Agreed gildarts have higher physical strength
But
Magical stemina goes to.lucy
Cheers
10) because he couldnt.
Fairy law is different and is not neasure of power
Cana cant produced even near the power she can get from fairy glitter
Same for ajeel. Laxus needed pof to kill wahl. Causal laxus isnt killing anyone. Jellal needed amped up to ko nienhart. But laxus can casually kill ajeel?
What do you mean? Can gmg erza give extreme high diff match to gmg jura ?
Lightening palace was most likely readied before. Laxus does not have aoe even near to destroy magnolia
Again why this confusion. Why not clearly show laxus and jellal stomping erza?
So i am like the only guy who hates laxus here?
I hate laxus because the wank he gets from fan (and its super fun because people get riled up to defend laxus honor).
But check out how many people hate erza, but alas you only protect laxus reputation
In the chapter discussion thread
Yeah that is what i mean laxus is probably is irene tier. For some unknown reason i cant find anywhere stating gmg erza being gmg jura tier. Could you point me a link to this very thread, you know around the time gmg last day was going on. So i can see how many people put gmg erza on gmg jura tier then
He was hyped because mishma wasnt gonna give him anything else
Actually you do, i dont see you saying alvarez erza can causally over power strong august moves. All you are saying all feats of erza can be easily given to laxus
Aconologia is immune to magic, so tanked non magic gajeel punch. So his durability is below erza?
August neutralize laxus nuke, he didnt tank it. He blocked it using magic
So jura durability is high because he can take laxus punches lol. Natsu and gajeel can take laxus punches as well. So gmg jura durability is around gmg gajeel durability?
Haha like how silver had to use stats. Poor guy has no feats to prove his durability
I am guessing you believe mishma actually believes his over hyped springgans to have glass durability
Ajeel has pretty decent durability. Only problem on his durability record is laxus hype. Which obviously just some statement and doesnt neccessary have to be true
Oh please, again with your "everyone loves Laxus and hates Erza" nonsense? Just go look at the poll in the chapter discussion thread, %40 of people want Erza to win, %60 of people want Laxus to win. Laxus is only slightly more loved than Erza and yet you've been literally going on for years crying about how unfair everyone is to her. It's all in your head, Erza and Laxus are both treated appropriately.
Why would there be anything saying GMG Erza is Jura tier?
Except Mashima did give him something else, he made him kill a different spriggan while massively handicapped.
I do what? Erza can't casually do anything, she could prob cut Melt with Nakagami if that makes you feel better. As for Laxus getting her feats, nah, busting a spriggan is simply more impressive than busting a top spriggan attack. Besides, we'll see who's stronger soon enough.
Igneel hits without magic.
So? Tanking an attack so powerful that it broke Gildarts' new arm is more impressive durability than any spriggan has shown.
Natsu and Gajeel's durability is high too. Jura is better though, because unlike Natsu and Gajeel he wasn't left helpless by a roar.
Indeed, if it were feats alone Silver's durability would be trash. I certainly thought it was til the stats came out.
No, the problem on Ajeel's durability record is that he got beat by Elfman and Lisanna. People still thought he had good durability before that despite knowing Laxus could oneshot him. Laxus oneshots most spriggans, it's expected. The statement doesn't have to be true, but it almost certainly is given Laxus' performance and the track record of spriggans in general.
