Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2020] - Discussion and ToC Talk

[Shinuki no Reborn]

MANGAHELPERS "TOC" POLL ISSUE #51 - VOTING!​

The poll for issue #51 is now open, vote for your favorite chapters of the week clicking HERE!

Alongside the release of Sakamoto Days, the extra series this week are:

-Dragon Ball Super 66
-Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 52
-Ghost Reaper Girl 10

Good Votes!

 

[Halloween]

Moderator Notice:
Henceforth, I will be deleting posts that complain about Weekly Shonen Jump having too many/not enough gag/battle/exorcism/sports/etc series.

These posts are not insightful, and do not meaningfully contribute to this thread. Also, this decision is not up for discussion, so posts discussing this decision will also be deleted.~ Halloween

 

[Ryuusei]

Spoiler: 52 TOC & 01 Preview

呪 僕 O マ ブ S C D 破 C B 夜 C 僕 あ 灼 ぼ チ 高 ア 森 A 仄 ぼ 次号カラー ヒロアカ アンデラ 夜桜 約ネバ 道産子 GIGA 岸本先生が描くコラボポスター 爆豪クリアファイル

Spoiler: Issue #52 ToC & Preview

Jujutsu Kaisen (Cover & LCP)
My Hero Academia
One Piece
Mashle
Black Clover
Sakamoto Days (CP)
Dr. Stone
Magu-chan: God of Destruction (CP)
Build King
Mission: Yozakura Family
Me & Roboco
Ayakashi Triangle (CP)
Shakunetsu no Niraikanai
We Never Learn
Chainsaw Man
Koukousei Kazoku
Undead Unluck
Moriking
Agravity Boys
Honomieru Shounen
Bokura no Ketsumei

Issue #1
Cover & LCP: My Hero Academia
CP: Undead Unluck, Mission: Yozakura Family, The Promised Neverland, Dosanko Gyaru wa Namaramenkoi

GIGA Preview
Collab poster by Kishimoto
Bakugou clear file

 

[Thundercat27]

Well, that's technically impossible to happen, so...

After 2016, nothing is impossible in life anymore, darling.
And I see the same argument back when RxL still a thing, how people thought its axed was underserved as it was selling more than KnY, WNL and the like. WNL eclipsed RxL a long time ago, and don't even try to compare KnY now with RxL.
Nothing is sacred nor irreplaceable in WSJ.

 

[TxxT]

Pretty noticeable drop for My Hero Academia

My Hero Academia #22: 547,062 (21 days)
My Hero Academia #23: 485,480 (18 days)
My Hero Academia #24: 496,745 (17 days)
My Hero Academia #25: 457,350 (19 days)

 

[OniluapL]

Well, we should wait for samurai 8 volume 3 sales, however, if they do show a decline (even to like, 15k?) it probably shows that the series dont have much to grow and therefore it would make sense to cancel (or maybe a transfer would be better), even if there are series that sell less, because those have a bigger chance to grow overtime than a series from a well known author that had more promotion. Comebacks of the sort tend to be higher in volume 1 (such as Eden's Zero) than the subsequent ones.

 

[Thundercat27]

Also I didn't advocate S8 cancellation. I advocated Shueisha cemented Saikyo as a magazine for former prominent properties and authors, so the niche readers still care about current Dragon Balls, Yu-Gi-Oh, Bort can also follow both works of Kishi without buying WSJ.
Also, chance of a batch has full of hits ain't impossible. Didn't One Piece and previous work of Toriko author begin in the same batch. While a batch of 6 has more variables than a batch of 2, the chance ain't 0%.

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

Also I didn't advocate S8 cancellation. I advocated Shueisha cemented Saikyo as a magazine for former prominent properties and authors, so the niche readers still care about current Dragon Balls, Yu-Gi-Oh, Bort can also follow both works of Kishi without buying WSJ.
Also, chance of a batch has full of hits ain't impossible. Didn't One Piece and previous work of Toriko author begin in the same batch. While a batch of 6 has more variables than a batch of 2, the chance ain't 0%.

Don't you mean V Jump?

I'm talking about a batch of 4 ~ 6 mangas, not 2.

 

[Nemesis]

Also I didn't advocate S8 cancellation. I advocated Shueisha cemented Saikyo as a magazine for former prominent properties and authors, so the niche readers still care about current Dragon Balls, Yu-Gi-Oh, Bort can also follow both works of Kishi without buying WSJ.
Also, chance of a batch has full of hits ain't impossible. Didn't One Piece and previous work of Toriko author begin in the same batch. While a batch of 6 has more variables than a batch of 2, the chance ain't 0%.

I think those are good options, but at this point I see more them leaving it on WSJ instead.

 

[Caiops]

Oricon Rankings 16/12 - 22/12

211919 1250151 Kimetsu no Yaiba #18
171653 1315444 Kimetsu no Yaiba #08
170803 1308651 Kimetsu no Yaiba #07
166862 1300081 Kimetsu no Yaiba #09
165499 1289108 Kimetsu no Yaiba #10
159459 1271137 Kimetsu no Yaiba #11
157731 1262171 Kimetsu no Yaiba #12
151809 1257691 Kimetsu no Yaiba #04
150245 1252173 Kimetsu no Yaiba #05
149784 1250893 Kimetsu no Yaiba #06
145105 1331666 Kimetsu no Yaiba #17
140994 1260915 Kimetsu no Yaiba #13
139996 1242489 Kimetsu no Yaiba #14
139279 1296341 Kimetsu no Yaiba #16
139127 1253231 Kimetsu no Yaiba #15
135771 1374850 Kimetsu no Yaiba #01
134277 1333640 Kimetsu no Yaiba #02
132636 1298647 Kimetsu no Yaiba #03
*51008 *457350 My Hero Academia #25
*24967 *278867 World Trigger #21
*21558 *512734 Kimetsu no Yaiba Fanbook
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*19847 *184277 Dragon Ball Super #10
*18914 *403333 SPY×FAMILY #02
*18538 *478104 SPY×FAMILY #01
*11258 *111697 act-age #09
*10898 1947320 One Piece #94

Damn, the boost is even bigger now.

Just imagine when they release the movie

 

[Rain Spectre]

Dunno if anyone's noticed, but Anya's twitter icon now displays next to Jump+'s hashtag on twitter.

#ジャンププラス hashtag on Twitter

See Tweets about #ジャンププラス on Twitter. See what people are saying and join the conversation.

twitter.com

 

[Nemesis]

Dunno if anyone's noticed, but Anya's twitter icon now displays next to Jump+'s hashtag on twitter.

#ジャンププラス hashtag on Twitter

See Tweets about #ジャンププラス on Twitter. See what people are saying and join the conversation.

twitter.com

It's really really impressive how this series grew so much in so few time.

 

[101nemesis]

Oricon Rankings 16/12 - 22/12

211919 1250151 Kimetsu no Yaiba #18
171653 1315444 Kimetsu no Yaiba #08
170803 1308651 Kimetsu no Yaiba #07
166862 1300081 Kimetsu no Yaiba #09
165499 1289108 Kimetsu no Yaiba #10
159459 1271137 Kimetsu no Yaiba #11
157731 1262171 Kimetsu no Yaiba #12
151809 1257691 Kimetsu no Yaiba #04
150245 1252173 Kimetsu no Yaiba #05
149784 1250893 Kimetsu no Yaiba #06
145105 1331666 Kimetsu no Yaiba #17
140994 1260915 Kimetsu no Yaiba #13
139996 1242489 Kimetsu no Yaiba #14
139279 1296341 Kimetsu no Yaiba #16
139127 1253231 Kimetsu no Yaiba #15
135771 1374850 Kimetsu no Yaiba #01
134277 1333640 Kimetsu no Yaiba #02
132636 1298647 Kimetsu no Yaiba #03
*51008 *457350 My Hero Academia #25
*24967 *278867 World Trigger #21
*21558 *512734 Kimetsu no Yaiba Fanbook
-
*19847 *184277 Dragon Ball Super #10
*18914 *403333 SPY×FAMILY #02
*18538 *478104 SPY×FAMILY #01
*11258 *111697 act-age #09
*10898 1947320 One Piece #94

Lol what the actual hell.
I wasn't expecting another 200k for KNY 18.

KNY 18 is almost 3x MHA 25
Ya'll remember when people argued "Another million seller is not possible and MHA was the highest a series can get today" in an attempt to defend the numbers of other series. And then came KNY.

Pretty noticeable drop for My Hero Academia

My Hero Academia #22: 547,062 (21 days)
My Hero Academia #23: 485,480 (18 days)
My Hero Academia #24: 496,745 (17 days)
My Hero Academia #25: 457,350 (19 days)

Wait, it's not even stabilizing? The drop between 22 and 25 is actually pretty big.
25 even had more days than 23 and 24.

If only MHA had a good anime adaptation, it would have been a 1.5 million seller like KNY.

 

[Rain Spectre]

SQ, but it's about a WSJ property, sooo...

 

[Teennitro]

If only MHA had a good anime adaptation, it would have been a 1.5 million seller like KNY.

Compare to other weekly Shonen jump series MHA does have a good anime adaptation

 

[OniluapL]

It's weird to me that MHA is declining because its backlog seems to be selling well? But it's not converting into sales (or first month sales) of the current volume

 

[tirakai]

MHA's anime done very well, gave it a nice boost. It just didn't have hinokami kagura.

Remember this insane Kimetsu no Yaiba boost isn't really the effect of the anime as a whole, at first it was getting a great boost but pretty normal levels of good, on track to be a solid maybe contender to MHA. Ep 19 is what put the sales in high gear, people got word of the ending scene and it's popularity snowballed and snowballed. This isn't just the effect of a good adaptation, this is the effect of one amazing episode going viral in a good adaptation.

 

[Rain Spectre]

MHA's anime done very well, gave it a nice boost. It just didn't have hinokami kagura.

Remember this ridiculous Kimetsu no Yaiba boost isn't really the effect of the anime as a whole, at first it was getting a great boost but pretty normal levels of good, on track to be a solid maybe contender to MHA. Ep 19 is what put the sales in high gear, people got word of the ending scene and it's popularity snowballed and snowballed. This isn't just the effect of a good adaptation, this is the effect of one amazing episode going viral in a good adaptation.

Exactly. Let's not forget, the episode became a Twitter Moment.

 

[Minsel]

Kimetsu is an anomaly. We shouldn't treat other shows badly since they didn't get lucky. Kimetsu just got lucky, not dismissing ufotable or the manga, im just saying.

 

[TyVip]

If only MHA had a good anime adaptation, it would have been a 1.5 million seller like KNY.

you contradict yourself 2 months ago

 

[pamuchi]

Still baffles me that the toc leaked way too early. That means some series will get their chapters leaked and with Viz oficial date for this issue, some won't wait to read the chapters officially.

 

[Tamil]

If only MHA had a good anime adaptation, it would have been a 1.5 million seller like KNY.

Well there is the Fire Force example but the counter argument would be that it's source material isnt that strong. I thought MHA had a good anime adaptation, did something go wrong that I wasn't aware of?

MHA's anime done very well, gave it a nice boost. It just didn't have hinokami kagura.

Remember this insane Kimetsu no Yaiba boost isn't really the effect of the anime as a whole, at first it was getting a great boost but pretty normal levels of good, on track to be a solid maybe contender to MHA. Ep 19 is what put the sales in high gear, people got word of the ending scene and it's popularity snowballed and snowballed. This isn't just the effect of a good adaptation, this is the effect of one amazing episode going viral in a good adaptation.

Most of the boost came after the anime though so I doubt that. I think a bigger factor is that the series is at it's final arc is what caused this insane boost. The timing was just too good. I'm pretty sure that had ep.19 not gone viral then Kimetsu still would've been a million copy seller. It may of helped but I dont think it helped as much as you claim.

It would be nice if we had a graph of Kimetsu's backlog per week since the start of it's anime to now. Then we can see where it peaked.

 

[101nemesis]

I was being sarcastic about MHA not having a good adaptation.
But that's my mistake. Should've put the /s at the end of my statement.