Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[GL_Nova]

I am judging by the facts I'm given now in the 100 Years Quest. August's opinion is irrelevant to me since I have Mashima's opinion with me now. One of the objectives of the 100 year quest was to make the power scaling of the show clear. If performance contradicts with opinion , then performance should be given first preference. Till now , it was okay. But not now.

It shouldn't matter if Erza is handicapped or not. It shouldn't. If you can go toe to toe with and take serious hits from a very famous and top boxer , then a 7 year old's attacks shouldn't affect you even if your hands and legs are tied up and he's allowed to hit you. If they do which means the boxer doesn't deserve his qualifications because you're being scaled to him. Then it matters jack shit if he's been acclaimed by very famous critics or not ( August in this case ) , praises from critics can't hide your performance.

The base punch on Ajeel might be weaker than the one with Neinhart but we still know Natsu can't kill Ajeel with his FDK Demolition Fist via scaling to Jacob. Jacob was only knocked out by it , he wasn't killed. Okay , let's ignore the fight and look at it this way. Erza has to stand in one place and let Ajeel hit her. And she has to endure his attacks. Basically it's a durability test for Erza. This is exactly what happened in their battle. It was a durability test. And she passed , but just barely. What does that mean ? It means that the showing we saw there was her cap in durability at that point of time.

I don't care whether Ajeel can defeat someone or not. Even I know Ajeel hadshe improved to the extent of getting damaged by Base Natsu tier punches to tanking attacks 10 times stronger than Natsu's FDK Demolition Fist ? I mean , shit , were Natsu and Laxus sitting at home shitting eggs all this time that Erza surpassed them by such an extent ? They're so dumb and slow at learning ? I don't buy it tbf.

If you’re only judging by facts, can we start using them please? Fact, August knows more about magic than you or Ajeel. So i’ll take his statement over yours. The Magic King blocked the attack, and stated it would kill Ajeel. You’re only rebuttal is that Ajeel, a guy who thought he could take Ishgar alone. Who couldn’t even put down a handicapped Erza, and got his ass whooped by Elfman. He. Lost. To. Elfman. Literally everything stated by Ajeel is useless hype. His performance is that he cannot even beat the weakest members of team Tenrou. He lost to Erza even having the perfect hax for her.

This entire paragraph makes no sense bro. Erza bested Ajeel. She then went on to beat Irene. Laxus almost killed him, with the most impressive AOE attack of the arc, and then one shot Wahl. Then they both went on to have decent showings against Acnologia. Ajeel is a footnote in their battle records, at best. An you have based an entire counter argument on a boastful characters unsubstantiated claim.

The base punch of Ajeel is certainly weaker than what took out Neinhart. He has nothing to suggest that he is anywhere near FDK Natsu. An scaling to Jacob isn’t helpful here. We already know that Natsu wasn’t trying to kill him. That’s not his mo anyways. You can’t seriously believe Natsu can blast Zeref to pieces and couldn’t have killed Jacob if that was his goal. I mean END didn’t even kill Dimaria.

We are debating the outcomes of these fights in an attempt to scale and rank the wizards. Why would I ignore the fights? He had Erza unable to requip, and couldn’t put her down. He used his top spell, and couldn’t put her down. Erza was the superior mage. He didn’t even do enough damage to keep her out of the war. He literally accomplished nothing bro.

Well, since you never showed why I should compare Ajeel to what Natsu’s output is. I’m not sure the point of this last paragraph. As to the whole Erza vs Laxus situation. Erza has certainly improved. She closed the previous gap between her and Laxus. One that was showcased during his performance against Hades, and made crystal clear during his battle with Jura. Erza was able to equip the right weapons and push him to his limits. It’s not even that unbelievable. Erza was always closer to him than Natsu. An her battle with Irene was clearly supposed to be the battle that put her on the map. A big deal was made showing how Irene was comparable to August. An FT’s strongest Man and Woman fought them. It was the first time we got Erza put on that Gildarts tier. Like Hades earlier comment about Laxus caliber, and Makarov mentioning Gildarts was the best opponent for Jura. This recent fight just cemented it.

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 22, 2019, Original Post Date: Dec 22, 2019 ---

my boys using logic

which means they think Gajeel is one of the top tiers

I mean, according to our peers, Natsu’s admission to being basically out of magic means it was a tie right?

 

[Demon Hunter]

I mean, according to our peers, Natsu’s admission to being basically out of magic means it was a tie right?

oh yeah, definitely


pity that Natsu vs Gajeel was off paneled

 

[Kiki]

I was thinking of doing polls on specific attributes. Like who would be the fastest, have the most attack power, best durability, ect. Maybe even pit specific attributes against each other. Like Jellal's speed vs Erza's durability.

hmm I am wondering, what would the options be, say, for "who would be the fastest" question?

it's open for many characters, and we might somehow miss a character or two (tho "other" option can cover it)

while we are waiting for the tourney, I am thinking to make another poll, similar to what @BluePegasus has done in the past and top 10 game on this site's Fun Forum section combined. Like, for example, the title is "Top 10 Fastest", people sends their list to me, the list consists of 10 chars they consider the fastest. Of course I am asking for your permission, after all you inspired me, otherwise it'd be considered plagiarism.

as for the vs (Jellal's speed vs Erza's durability), isnt it fitting to be in Domus Flau section?

 

[Demon Hunter]

as for the vs (Jellal's speed vs Erza's durability), isnt it fitting to be in Domus Flau section?

hm it's kinda of a waste thread.

I remember back some years ago when the tourney was up, we had something like this for example:

Natsu vs Gajeel

and then you put something like this

Attack Power - Natsu > Gajeel

Durability - Gajeel > Natsu

etc

we can do it in the next tourney.

seems out of place if we have something like Jellal's speed vs Erza's durability as a separate thread.

if there will be a tourney, we will need some clarifications because there were some problems in the last one.

 

[Ramen]

hm it's kinda of a waste thread.

I remember back some years ago when the tourney was up, we had something like this for example:

Natsu vs Gajeel

and then you put something like this

Attack Power - Natsu > Gajeel

Durability - Gajeel > Natsu

etc

we can do it in the next tourney.

seems out of place if we have something like Jellal's speed vs Erza's durability as a separate thread.

if there will be a tourney, we will need some clarifications because there were some problems in the last one.

They should restrict DF Natsu in the next tourney, since only like Gildarts and Maybe RL Laxus/Red pants Erza can give him a challenge. Everyone else gets stomped.

 

[Demon Hunter]

They should restrict DF Natsu in the next tourney, since only like Gildarts and Maybe RL Laxus/Red pants Erza can give him a challenge. Everyone else gets stomped.

that was one of the problems LoL, whether or not he can use it willingly or not.

 

[Livinbreathineatin]

Top 10 in Fairy Tail guild

1. Gildarts
2. Laxus
3. Erza
4. Gray
5. Gajeel
6. Mirajane
7. Wendy
8. Lucy
9. Freed
10. Juvia

Elfman is stronger than 10-8. They’d all get stomped if they fought Madmole for as long as Elfman is.

 

[GL_Nova]

Why would you rob Natsu of his top form in a tournament?

 

[Demon Hunter]

Why would you rob Natsu of his top form in a tournament?

well the tourney was running along the arc IIRC so some of them didn't have feats (Natsu had the most) and giving him DF would be an overkill.

it's like giving Goku MUI.

 

[Kiki]

There is no Makarov in these ranks. He's become forgotten

 

[JaminRdz]

I don't think Elfman is that good, most of his take overs are defensive but that's all. He's slow, doesn't have overwelming magic power and his attack is not even half as good as Mira

 

[GL_Nova]

well the tourney was running along the arc IIRC so some of them didn't have feats (Natsu had the most) and giving him DF would be an overkill.

it's like giving Goku MUI.

So would we run it along the arc again?

Cause look at Georg Raizen. He’s the guild master for Diablos so should be at the top of the food chain, but Kyria’s response to Laxus’ power kinda puts his overall stats in question for me.

 

[Ramen]

So would we run it along the arc again?

Cause look at Georg Raizen. He’s the guild master for Diablos so should be at the top of the food chain, but Kyria’s response to Laxus’ power kinda puts his overall stats in question for me.

That dude is completly irrelevant rn tho. No feats and was shown on one panel.

 

[Static]

I want others opinions on this - is it really fair to discount Power of Emotions whenever discussing power levels? Every time there's a battle thread or discussion involving a character who uses PoE a lot, people tend to neglect it for the sake of a more accurate power ranking. I know that many here hate it a lot (including me) but PoE is a legit boost in-universe, it's been implied so dozens of times, especially the fact that it's One Magic. Should those feats really be less valid than ones without it?

 

[Demon Hunter]

I want others opinions on this - is it really fair to discount Power of Emotions whenever discussing power levels? Every time there's a battle thread or discussion involving a character who uses PoE a lot, people tend to neglect it for the sake of a more accurate power ranking. I know that many here hate it a lot (including me) but PoE is a legit boost in-universe, it's been implied so dozens of times, especially the fact that it's One Magic. Should those feats really be less valid than ones without it?

well technically speaking, when they fight an enemy, they always have PoF on because they are protecting their guild, world or whatever but that goes for every Shounen.

problem is, they take this on a whole other level (see Natsu vs Zeref, Erza vs Kyouka etc).

 

[Ramen]

When it comes to PoF and PoE, deal with it cuz literally every character uses it. People discount Erza and Natsu because they are major users of it but who cares. They are the some of the strongest of the entire series so deal with it.

Gildarts uses it, Laxus, Gray, Gajeel, Elfman, literally everyone.

Regarding this: The rankings when everyone is at their strongest goes like this:

DF Natsu
Gildarts
RL Laxus
Erza
DeS Gray/DF Gajeel/Mira
the rest

@Jean Grey @Crimson Ice ^^slight revision

 

[GL_Nova]

well technically speaking, when they fight an enemy, they always have PoF on because they are protecting their guild, world or whatever but that goes for every Shounen.

problem is, they take this on a whole other level (see Natsu vs Zeref, Erza vs Kyouka etc).

I think saying “problem” is a step to far. Goku gave a friendship speech before he beat Jiren. Ichigo before he beat Byakuya. Luffy gave one before he beat well basically everybody. It’s literally a staple of the genre. An at least it’s an explainable mechanic that’s been present since the start of the series.

 

[Crimson Ice]

DF Gajeel being that low is a joke.

 

[Demon Hunter]

I think saying “problem” is a step to far. Goku gave a friendship speech before he beat Jiren. Ichigo before he beat Byakuya. Luffy gave one before he beat well basically everybody. It’s literally a staple of the genre. An at least it’s an explainable mechanic that’s been present since the start of the series.

yeah, exactly.

you can use it but bruh, if someone is miles above you but then suddenly you dusted him because you got a bit emotional... like

 

[Ramen]

DF Gajeel being that low is a joke.

We saw his DF once and he can't use it on his own. It's hard to rank it