Discussion Sanji Discussion Thread

[jaymizzo]

I just saw reddit right now and there is recently posted fanpost of picture of Sanji with 2.5 thousand likes and growing. Again just type and look for it. Possible to see OP Reddit Forum.

Dont move the goalpost.

For once, post them and stop waffling and changing topic. Stay on the same thing and prove it.

WCI is one of the highest rated Arcs, Sanji is MVP based on japanese forums and reddit.

Stick to proving that, not fan pictures.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

If the SHP did not care about collateral damage and made it seem as if the cake is somewhere else, BM would just have destroyed her territories and the SHP would be safe.

My point is, which i should have made earlier is that Sanjis moment was to define Sanji... but was not so impactful in the grand scheme of things. It did not stop BM from still coming after them but managed to save a lot of lives. It was an MVP moment to Sanji himself where he reinforced his own vows and inturn helped save innocents. In a way, he was taking some responsibility for the mess that he created.

By ranking
Brook

Pedro
Jinbei/Luffy
Sanji
Nami/Chopper

agree with the ranking. IMO jinbei should rank higher than luffy tho
Chopper, just like sanji, was sidelined heavily on WCI.

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Dont move the goalpost.

For once, post them and stop waffling and changing topic. Stay on the same thing and prove it.

WCI is one of the highest rated Arcs, Sanji is MVP based on japanese forums and reddit.

Stick to proving that, not fan pictures.

lol i literally gives the ranking from the latest one piece magazine here and it doesnt show any hints of WCI being one of the highest rated arc, and king moe just keep denying it. He really doesnt want to accept other people's opinion on this.

 

[King Moe]

Dont move the goalpost.

For once, post them and stop waffling and changing topic. Stay on the same thing and prove it.

WCI is one of the highest rated Arcs, Sanji is MVP based on japanese forums and reddit.

Stick to proving that, not fan pictures.

I have to search through JP Reddit to see, but in West many like the arc, so again Idk why you doing and avoiding that.

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agree with the ranking. IMO jinbei should rank higher than luffy tho
Chopper, just like sanji, was sidelined heavily on WCI.

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lol i literally gives the ranking from the latest one piece magazine here and it doesnt show any hints of WCI being one of the highest rated arc, and king moe just keep denying it. He really doesnt want to accept other people's opinion on this.

Not really. Sanji did a lot of work in WCI once back with the crew. He is above everyone except with Pedro and Luffy.

Translations to that as it looks like moments than whole arc stated and there is no results saying Japan hate WCI arc. Idk where you and others see it as hated arc by everyone in the world when it's not true. If few don't like it, tough. Though majority do not hate it and enjoy it.

This isn't fanboyism, this is common sense.

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this. Funny how king moe fails to get this even after being explained numerous times.
WCI is an arc piloted by sanji and his family, but that doesnt make him the MVP. MVP should be given to jinbei or brook.

Sounds like you failed to understand the arc and what MVP is as can be more than one. Already stated who are top MVPs in order. Learn to accept opinions than in denial over someone's opinion.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Discussion - Where would you rate the Whole Cake Island Arc overall in context to the other arcs?

Do you love the WCI Arc, do you hate it or dont you care at all?

mangahelpers.com

links says it all i guess lets see what our membersection thinks

 

[jaymizzo]

I have to search through JP Reddit to see, but in West many like the arc, so again Idk why you doing and avoiding that.

Please tag us when you do find it. Until then WCI isn't a loved arc (by polls) and Sanji was not MVP.

 

[King Moe]

Please tag us when you do find it. Until then WCI isn't a loved arc (by polls) and Sanji was not MVP.

By this small website that speaks to whole fanbase. Yeah that's your opinion. If you don't like it, on you. But not changing my mind or other websites with more people. If you don't believe me, see this as example of how many enjoy it:


Not only post I found many enjoy it and voted on liking it more than any other NW Arcs. Should I link that too?

 

[jaymizzo]

By this small website that speaks to whole fanbase. Yeah that's your opinion. If you don't like it, on you. But not changing my mind or other websites with more people. If you don't believe me, see this as example of how many enjoy it:


Not only post I found many enjoy it and voted on liking it more than any other NW Arcs. Should I link that too?

Did you actually read the posts in that thread or did you just go by title? A quick browse through the comments shows a discussion not everyone agreeing its the best. I mean, we have you here, if you posted a thread saying WCI is the best, you can't use that as a measurement because its a title not a poll.

 

[Brandish μ]

Try avoiding using someone's post from Reddit, or their likes, to support claims on MH. If you have a poll or graph or something, to show popularity, that's fine. But it shouldn't become a talking point, and is derailing this thread.

I'm going to assume anyone stating that their opinion is supported by another group/community as trolling from now on, depending on the context. Respect the people who you're discussing with, by talking about the manga, and your thoughts on it, in the One Piece section.

 

[King Moe]

Did you actually read the posts in that thread or did you just go by title? A quick browse through the comments shows a discussion not everyone agreeing its the best. I mean, we have you here, if you posted a thread saying WCI is the best, you can't use that as a measurement because its a title not a poll.

I do and majority are selling they enjoy it and like it. There are fair criticisms in there, but understandable enough it didn't demeen the arcs. They also critic the past NW arcs and comparing them and said WCI is the best one thus far.

Never said EVERYONE loves it, but majority falls more liking it. That's what we debating here as you stated many in fanbase hate it and I disagree with you on true ratio of that arc as it wasn't universally hated.

How it any different here and new topic created? Many opinions matter and others have stated more positive than negative about it.

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Try avoiding using someone's post from Reddit, or their likes, to support claims on MH. If you have a poll or graph or something, to show popularity, that's fine. But it shouldn't become a talking point, and is derailing this thread.

I'm going to assume anyone stating that their opinion is supported by another group/community as trolling from now on, depending on the context. Respect the people who you're discussing with, by talking about the manga, and your thoughts on it, in the One Piece section.

The talk was debate if WCI was universally hated or not. Wasn't stating 'everyone' likes it. Just not everyone hated it at major scale. I respect other opinions, but tend exaggerate hate on things sometimes. Just disagreeing on that.

So using polls is fine to see how others feel about something? Is that allowed and good? Just asking.

 

[Brandish μ]

The talk was debate if WCI was universally hated or not. Wasn't stating 'everyone' likes it. Just not everyone hated it at major scale. I respect other opinions, but tend exaggerate hate on things sometimes. Just disagreeing on that.

So using polls is fine to see how others feel about something? Is that allowed and good? Just asking.

Fair enough. But as I mentioned, I do consider 'name-dropping' communities/mangaka etc as trolling when it's not correctly sourced.

I don't see why using information from another site, as long as it's on topic, correctly sourced, and doesn't derail a topic, cannot be used.

 

[King Moe]

Fair enough. But as I mentioned, I do consider 'name-dropping' communities/mangaka etc as trolling when it's not correctly sourced.

I don't see why using information from another site, as long as it's on topic, correctly sourced, and doesn't derail a topic, cannot be used.

Alright then.

Thank you for that. So do I still show poll for WCI or end this talk for now?

 

[jaymizzo]

@King Moe Heres the problem, you argued with a poll that is a more objective representation than a discussion thread with a misleading title and no universal agreement.

No one is debating your subjective opinion, you said WCI is regarded as one of the best arcs by many and have yet to prove it.

A discussion thread with less than 100 comments is not going to outweigh the results of a poll.

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Alright then.

Thank you for that. So do I still show poll for WCI or end this talk for now?

If its correctly sourced then why not?

 

[King Moe]

@King Moe Heres the problem, you argued with a poll that is a more objective representation than a discussion thread with a misleading title and no universal agreement.

No one is debating your subjective opinion, you said WCI is regarded as one of the best arcs by many and have yet to prove it.

A discussion thread with less than 100 comments is not going to outweigh the results of a poll.

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If its correctly sourced then why not?

It got close to 400 likes though and this isn't only post to talk WCI in positive light. Can give more sourced posts or from other websites. Just saying their more positives than negative in the arc. It's not perfect, but it was good enough for many fans of OP.

 

[Pirate Queen]

It got close to 400 likes though and this isn't only post to talk WCI in positive light. Can give more sourced posts or from other websites. Just saying their more positives than negative in the arc. It's not perfect, but it was good enough for many fans of OP.

Likes dont equal agreement.

I "like" lots of shit I dont agree with, and I do it to appreciate the post.

 

[King Moe]

Likes dont equal agreement.

I "like" lots of shit I dont agree with, and I do it to appreciate the post.

Kinda does in long run as there reason OP is best selling manga still and overall. You have to like/love something to be that point.

 

[jaymizzo]

Kinda does in long run as there reason OP is best selling manga still and overall. You have to like/love something to be that point.

Likes on Reddit and forums are the reason OP is one of the best selling manga? What?

People like OP but dont necessarily buy OP... How is that helping sales in Japan?

 

[King Moe]

Likes on Reddit and forums are the reason OP is one of the best selling manga? What?

People like OP but dont necessarily buy OP... How is that helping sales in Japan?

Sales are world-wide. Not Japan. Also yeah, YouTube, Reddit, Twitter, etc. helps get word out for it as it spreads on internet and create fans to want to read and check it out. Thus continue to build OP to how it become more.

What you mean by they don't buy? Large amount do buy OP that is very evident thing for it.

 

[jaymizzo]

Sales are world-wide. Not Japan. Also yeah, YouTube, Reddit, Twitter, etc. helps get word out for it as it spreads on internet and create fans to want to read and check it out. Thus continue to build OP to how it become more.

What you mean by they don't buy? Large amount do buy OP that is very evident thing for it.

I swear you and Nik are the same person. There is a lot more people who pirate OP than who buy it... In this whole community, theres a handful of people who have OP merch.

On Reddit - people go there for spoilers... for a pirated comic... and they are driving OP sales.

Whoa, since being a fulltime troll is not banworthy, I think its high time I join you and Nik. You guys are professionals at moving the goal post.

Edit: Just saw how this discussion originated... @King Moe youre good so long as someone bites lol

 

[Brandish μ]

Sanji Thread guys.

 

[jaymizzo]

Sanji Thread guys.

I fell for it and realised too late. Will stay on topic.