Discussion Best Defense, Endurance, Durability - Finished

[Axiomus]

So you're on my side right ? You agree that FH doesn't increase Zeref's AP right ?

If I'm right , the attack which beat him was a punch from Natsu amped with power of the guild and PoF. Where did Fire Dragon King Demolition Fist come from ? If I remember correctly , it wasn't successful in burning his magic , whereas Guild Mark Natsu's attack was.

Well, I'm not sure if it increased Zeref's attack power or not. It may have, or Zeref may have been capable of using those attacks without Fairy Heart. What I do know is that the Zeref did use with Fairy Heart didn't beat out Natsu's attack, so it didn't have infinite power.

The attack that beat Zeref was a Fire Dragon King's Demolition fist. Natsu shouted the name of the attack in chapter 525, and Zeref did the same with his attack. They then clashed in the next chapter. This particular demolition fist was amped by Natsu's flames of emotions. It's up to you if you think he was taking magic power from everyone in the guild, but I personally don't because nobody else felt their mp being drained.

Spoiler: Natsu and Zeref shouting the names of their attacks in 525

Spoiler: Attacks clashing in 526

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I think @Axiomus was talking about the attack that beat FH Zeref, which was an FDK Demo Fist used by DF Natsu.

Didn't have dragon force. But it wouldn't be accurate to say it was base Natsu either, because it was an FDK spell.

 

[Demon Hunter]

just call it a PIS and that's it.

not that it matters here anyway

 

[Fyron]

Well, I'm not sure if it increased Zeref's attack power or not. It may have, or Zeref may have been capable of using those attacks without Fairy Heart. What I do know is that the Zeref did use with Fairy Heart didn't beat out Natsu's attack, so it didn't have infinite power.

The attack that beat Zeref was a Fire Dragon King's Demolition fist. Natsu shouted the name of the attack in chapter 525, and Zeref did the same with his attack. They then clashed in the next chapter. This particular demolition fist was amped by Natsu's flames of emotions. It's up to you if you think he was taking magic power from everyone in the guild, but I personally don't because nobody else felt their mp being drained.

Spoiler: Natsu and Zeref shouting the names of their attacks in 525

Spoiler: Attacks clashing in 526

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Didn't have dragon force. But it wouldn't be accurate to say it was base Natsu either, because it was an FDK spell.

Ah okay so that was a FDK spell. Guess I missed out on that detail.

No I mean the FT guild in general is capable of amplifying their members' powers. That's what happened at Tenrou. We have two instances of that happening. One is the tenrou tree granting them boosts in magic power , and the second is against Acnologia. The Tenrou team wasn't even remotely strong enough to block a full power attack from Acnologia , even now it isn't. So it makes sense that it was the guild which amplified their powers. So instead of amplifying the entire guild's powers like on Tenrou , it amplified only Natsu's power and gave all that power to Natsu. Hence , "the guild's power".

 

[Axiomus]

Ah okay so that was a FDK spell. Guess I missed out on that detail.

No I mean the FT guild in general is capable of amplifying their members' powers. That's what happened at Tenrou. We have two instances of that happening. One is the tenrou tree granting them boosts in magic power , and the second is against Acnologia. The Tenrou team wasn't even remotely strong enough to block a full power attack from Acnologia , even now it isn't. So it makes sense that it was the guild which amplified their powers. So instead of amplifying the entire guild's powers like on Tenrou , it amplified only Natsu's power and gave all that power to Natsu. Hence , "the guild's power".

Well, the tenrou tree really only applies on the island. And Mavis casting Fairy Sphere was what allowed them to survive Acnologia.

 

[atlantisreturns]

Well, the tenrou tree really only applies on the island. And Mavis casting Fairy Sphere was what allowed them to survive Acnologia.

I know Tenrou tree only applies to the island but he used this as an example to cite FT is capable of giving it's members powers.

Mavis stated that it was the power of guild that saved them from Acnologia.

 

[Fyron]

Well, the tenrou tree really only applies on the island. And Mavis casting Fairy Sphere was what allowed them to survive Acnologia.

Well , Mavis said it was the guild's power that powered the Fairy Sphere , so ...

 

[Axiomus]

But the boost from the Tenrou Tree and Mavis taking everyone's emotions and using it to cast Fairy Sphere isn't the same thing as Natsu thinking about his guild and getting stronger because of his emotions. Actually, the tenrou tree and fairy sphere isn't even the same thing as each other.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

There is nothing to think about. Natsu just got power boost thinking about his friends and one-shotted Zeref. This is no different from Laxus getting Red Lightning out of his ass by thinking about his guild and Nakama. Gray getting rage boost is another example. Erza was the only who got none, that meteor Irene summon was made of clay.

 

[Demon Hunter]

there is ABSOLUTELY nothing to suggest that a freaking guild hall amplifies anyones power.

Hiro randomly pulled that stuff out of his butt, sorry for swearing.

people take everything too literally.
really, people want to justify fodder Zeref

Natsu took him down and that's it. we should just forget about that horrid fight.

in fact, Zeref isn't even in the ranking. I would rather discuss durability of Brandish.

 

[atlantisreturns]

There is nothing to think about. Natsu just got power boost thinking about his friends and one-shotted Zeref. This is no different from Laxus getting Red Lightning out of his ass by thinking about his guild and Nakama. Gray getting rage boost is another example. Erza was the only who got none, that meteor Irene summon was made of clay.

Erza is multiversal , so obviously the meteor is fodder to her.

--- Double Post Merged, Jan 3, 2020, Original Post Date: Jan 3, 2020 ---

^^^ Apparently end's attacks are multiversal now. Scaling from galaxy level CSK and galaxy level Jellal.

 

[Ramen]

Erza is multiversal , so obviously the meteor is fodder to her.

--- Double Post Merged, Jan 3, 2020, Original Post Date: Jan 3, 2020 ---

^^^ Apparently end's attacks are multiversal now. Scaling from galaxy level CSK and galaxy level Jellal.

BRUH.......

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

BRUH.......

You are just upset because Laxus doesn't have these awesome feats. Laxus the GOAT of fodders

 

[Ramen]

You are just upset because Laxus doesn't have these awesome feats.

Your avi speaks for itself

 

[Kiki]

8th place (score: 48)

Gray Fullbuster
@Seven777 (3) @One4All (4) @IamtherealMirajane (4) @Brandish (5) @LighteningLord (6) @Stormsfury (6) @Ajeel Ramal (4) @Sevently (3) @Takuan (3) @Jean Grey (4) @lakhan220 (2) @Axiomus (4)​

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Your avi speaks for itself

It's an honor to be stepped on by such a great wizard, only one whose hype was deserved.

 

[Ramen]

It's an honour to step by such a great wizard, only one whose hype was deserved.

 

[Kiki]

7th place (score: 54)

Gajeel Redfox
@August_Lightning (1) @Seven777 (5) @One4All (2) @IamtherealMirajane (3) @Brandish (6) @LighteningLord (4) @Stormsfury (5) @Ajeel Ramal (5) @Sevently (4) @grey matter (2) @Takuan (4) @Jean Grey (7) @lakhan220 (1) @Axiomus (5)​

 

[atlantisreturns]

BRUH.......

What amazes me is that guy's logic.

Jellal : Can call the seven stars and grand chariot from the sky , also scales above CSK's Galaxia blade , which contains a galaxy's power. Galaxy+ level.

Neinhart : Oneshotted Jellal. Multi galaxy+ level.

Base Natsu : Oneshotted Neinhart . Universal+ level.

end Natsu : Way above Base Natsu. Multiversal level.

Erza : Stopped End Natsu 's and demon Gray's attacks with her bare hands. Multiversal+ level.

Acnologia : Scales above everyone else in the verse and has power over the rift of time , which is the 5th dimension of imagination beyond time and space which contains an infinite number of multiverses. Outerversal level and on par with Mr. Mxyzptlk.

 

[Ramen]

What amazes me is that guy's logic.

Jellal : Can call the seven stars and grand chariot from the sky , also scales above CSK's Galaxia blade , which contains a galaxy's power. Galaxy+ level.

Neinhart : Oneshotted Jellal. Multi galaxy+ level.

Base Natsu : Oneshotted Neinhart . Universal+ level.

end Natsu : Way above Base Natsu. Multiversal level.

Erza : Stopped End Natsu 's and demon Gray's attacks with her bare hands. Multiversal+ level.

Acnologia : Scales above everyone else in the verse and has power over the rift of time , which is the 5th dimension which contains an infinite number of multiverses. Outerversal level and on par with Mr. Mxyzptlk.

BRUH

BRUH

BRUH

Mr. Mxyzptlk solos all of FT no question.

Please tell me this isn't reddit. If it is, those fanboys are getting out of hand

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

What amazes me is that guy's logic.

Well, there are some people in FT Reddit that want Lucy to beat Ignia. I think I saw it in this chapter raw discussion