Chapter Tower of God Chapter 464 Spoilers & Discussion

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By lore and logics a Floor ruler has to be the strongest being of a Floor and should be able to take on everyone else of that Floor If they have a mutiny. Same for Squadron Commanders and their Squads. However, the Squadron should be stronger than a Floor ruler and all its underlings together, with the difference that one Works under a specific Admin, while the other Works for the King of the entire Tower.

A Slayer by reference should be leveled along with Floor Rulers, people able to be called Gods.


Yeah, I suppose first Squadron Comander is Adori also, so perhaps that solves things. According to rank she should at least be able to fight a FH, and same for Luslec who is a Slayer.

And also that both Floor Rulers, Slayers and Squadron Comanders have some Power spectrum that overlaps at some points. But that usually Squads should be above Floors, same for Slayers and their cults/gangs. These 3 powers should be close to each other, given the right amount of time. In example: I doubt 2F's entire Floor + Evk and YHS would be above Just the Cage. That's an older more settled gang than Karakka's, which also has a Lair at "forgot number" Floor and a decent population. And ofc, each of these should be way smaller than one Noble Family.
Well, from what we've seen both Squadron leaders and floor rulers are pulled from the strongest high rankers available. Though I bet the strength level there fluctuates wildly.
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Like my impression so far is that this Cat squadron leader is stronger than Kallavan. And Adori is likely to make both of them seem like helpless children.
 

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I bet that the second squadron commander is a arie.
 

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Well, from what we've seen both Squadron leaders and floor rulers are pulled from the strongest high rankers available. Though I bet the strength level there fluctuates wildly.
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Like my impression so far is that this Cat squadron leader is stronger than Kallavan. And Adori is likely to make both of them seem like helpless children.
Agreed. My take on this is the following comparison:
-World class: Jahad/Enryuu
-Country level: FUG(Luslec)/Wolhaiksong(Urek & Baek)/Jahad Army(Adori)/Noble Families(10FH)
-State level: Slayers/Squad Commanders/Floor Rulers/Wolhaiksong executives/Family branch
-City level: Floor Rankers/Division Commanders/Slayer's henchmen
-Population: unafiliated rankers/army Rankers/Slayer followers

Urek should be Jahad level but he rules over a weak organization, hence he stays (unfairly) along with FHs. Wolhaiksong and FUG are like weaker countries and Jahad's army is like his version of a Noble Family. They float on Power levels, one country can be much weaker than another. But we have to compare sticks with sticks and Stones with Stones. Each Slayer's gang would have to work with a family branch/Squadron in case a conflict arises, regardless of whether they can pull It off or not: its their organizational tier equivalent.

Imo, FUG is the weakest country due to being ravaged by Wars in the past, which left it without governors for its states. It is unorganized and inner conflicts are worse than in 10 families. Each Slayer should strive to equal Branch Heads/Squad Commanders' level, but they still aren't there. FUG's maximum Power is to equal Jahad's army, they cannot be a match to more than that without other Noble Families on their side to balance things. And Bam needs to grow into a New leader for FUG, one that surpasses Adori and can equal a FH de facto.
 

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Well the whole power and rank thing is all over the place, no one here can say what’s actually what. Kallavan’s greatest feature is that his body is almost indestructible, his skills really aren’t that impressive (White, in his current REGULAR form, tanked his atomic bomber)

But the case of Kallavan “The Collector” seems strange. Wasn’t his squadron made up of people he defeated, then made into subordinates? So wouldn’t they in turn have no choice but to follow Kallavan??

Which brings me to Yas, seems like he collects subordinates as well. Could having a large following be a qualifier for being Squadron Commander???
 

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Agreed. My take on this is the following comparison:
-World class: Jahad/Enryuu
-Country level: FUG(Luslec)/Wolhaiksong(Urek & Baek)/Jahad Army(Adori)/Noble Families(10FH)
-State level: Slayers/Squad Commanders/Floor Rulers/Wolhaiksong executives/Family branch
-City level: Floor Rankers/Division Commanders/Slayer's henchmen
-Population: unafiliated rankers/army Rankers/Slayer followers

Urek should be Jahad level but he rules over a weak organization, hence he stays (unfairly) along with FHs. Wolhaiksong and FUG are like weaker countries and Jahad's army is like his version of a Noble Family. They float on Power levels, one country can be much weaker than another. But we have to compare sticks with sticks and Stones with Stones. Each Slayer's gang would have to work with a family branch/Squadron in case a conflict arises, regardless of whether they can pull It off or not: its their organizational tier equivalent.

Imo, FUG is the weakest country due to being ravaged by Wars in the past, which left it without governors for its states. It is unorganized and inner conflicts are worse than in 10 families. Each Slayer should strive to equal Branch Heads/Squad Commanders' level, but they still aren't there. FUG's maximum Power is to equal Jahad's army, they cannot be a match to more than that without other Noble Families on their side to balance things. And Bam needs to grow into a New leader for FUG, one that surpasses Adori and can equal a FH de facto.
Urek and 10 heads belong in world class imo
 

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Urek and 10 heads belong in world class imo
Enryu defeated a floor administrator though and was able to exit the tower, which is a significant feat. Also, he's an Axis, which isn't mentioned much anymore.

Jahad made a contract to be king of the tower and stop all continued climbing, which is a significant feat too.

Enryu should be Universe Level
Jahad Planet Level
Then FH's
Urek in between Jahad and FH's?
 

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Enryu defeated a floor administrator though and was able to exit the tower, which is a significant feat. Also, he's an Axis, which isn't mentioned much anymore.

Jahad made a contract to be king of the tower and stop all continued climbing, which is a significant feat too.

Enryu should be Universe Level
Jahad Planet Level
Then FH's
Urek in between Jahad and FH's?
Enryu is not an Axis , Phantaminum is.
 

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Wangan is actually a Prince of Zahard, not a clone.
Jahad can't sire children (canon up to this date). It is therefore impossible for Jahad to have biological sons as princes, Seeing that the princes look almost identical to Jahad, wouldn't they then have to be clones?
 

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When are people gonna realize that Urek is FH lvl but doesn’t have that immortality contract. His power is at the same level as theirs. One example is when Gustang tells Urek to not wipe out his family. If you still doubt this then how could Urek withstand blows from Arie Hon on his test and even fight on the same level like him as stated. Urek Mazino is not a guy to be taken lightly, even his friend Baek is on FH level but on a budget.

Also, SIU stated that Enryu is not an axis, he is like a ”cheater” in a game and that’s why he is so broken. This explains exactly how he could defeat a Administrator and even leave the place and never be found. My guy cheats, he’s too broken.
 
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What I meant with World class is someone above FHs and Admins. FHs only intervene on their own families, not others', and not with Admins (so Far). Jahad can intervene anywhere. Only Enryuu and Phantaminum so far can equal that.

And Cha is instantly a more likeable character than Dowon, although she does have more depth than him atm.
 

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I bet that the second squadron commander is a arie.
Then what would the first squadron commander be ? (Nb: Adori is the general commander of the entire army, answerable probably to the king alone)
 

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Enryu defeated a floor administrator though and was able to exit the tower, which is a significant feat. Also, he's an Axis, which isn't mentioned much anymore.

Jahad made a contract to be king of the tower and stop all continued climbing, which is a significant feat too.

Enryu should be Universe Level
Jahad Planet Level
Then FH's
Urek in between Jahad and FH's?
Phanta is an axis not Enryu
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What I meant with World class is someone above FHs and Admins. FHs only intervene on their own families, not others', and not with Admins (so Far). Jahad can intervene anywhere. Only Enryuu and Phantaminum so far can equal that.

And Cha is instantly a more likeable character than Dowon, although she does have more depth than him atm.
This isn’t true... The FH have power to influence the tower but they have ceded their power to Zahard. Which is why his companions say the “adventurer” Zahard is the true Zahard not this dictator and why most FH are politically inactive... What I’m trying to say is Zahards “ability” to intervene “anywhere” isn’t his power, rather it’s his paranoia. If he weren’t bent on ruling and controlling the tower he wouldn’t need to intervene nor have safeguards (Urek travels the tower quite freely I may add)...He is still at the behest of admins. SIU has stated he(Zahard) couldn’t kill an admin if he tried... Putting Enryu above him in world/tower contending strength.

Phantaminum is the only irregular with Universe bending power... Being an axis and all.
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Jahad can't sire children (canon up to this date). It is therefore impossible for Jahad to have biological sons as princes, Seeing that the princes look almost identical to Jahad, wouldn't they then have to be clones?
And what would be the difference
Well, from what we've seen both Squadron leaders and floor rulers are pulled from the strongest high rankers available. Though I bet the strength level there fluctuates wildly.
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Like my impression so far is that this Cat squadron leader is stronger than Kallavan. And Adori is likely to make both of them seem like helpless children.
Where does the impression cat guy (Yas) is stronger than Kalla come from? Yas has stated his trick. The houndkin have his blood. Therefore he can control them, other than that he has just used hostages and mind games. Nothing is indicative of him being stronger than Kallavan.

And given Adori is ranked 7 that isn’t just “likely”, more so a definite fact of (TOG)reality.
 

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Jahad can't sire children (canon up to this date). It is therefore impossible for Jahad to have biological sons as princes, Seeing that the princes look almost identical to Jahad, wouldn't they then have to be clones?
Was it about the lore that zahard white fluid is too strong for any non irregular womb to handle? Isnt that just to shut masses up and as one of some pretexts of making princess of zahard?
 

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This isn’t true... The FH have power to influence the tower but they have ceded their power to Zahard. Which is why his companions say the “adventurer” Zahard is the true Zahard not this dictator and why most FH are politically inactive... What I’m trying to say is Zahards “ability” to intervene “anywhere” isn’t his power, rather it’s his paranoia. If he weren’t bent on ruling and controlling the tower he wouldn’t need to intervene nor have safeguards (Urek travels the tower quite freely I may add)...He is still at the behest of admins. SIU has stated he(Zahard) couldn’t kill an admin if he tried... Putting Enryu above him in world/tower contending strength.
If they disagree with Jahad but can't change things, and can't rule over another family other than their own, while Jahad's jurisdiction reaches everywhere, then Jahad does hold more influence than any FH. He is one tier above them, its not like they could take his seat in "next elections", he is currently a self crowned emperor no matter what others think. Unless a great deal of effort is put, he won't move and no single FH can do It by himself/herself.
 

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Enryu defeated a floor administrator though and was able to exit the tower, which is a significant feat. Also, he's an Axis, which isn't mentioned much anymore.

Jahad made a contract to be king of the tower and stop all continued climbing, which is a significant feat too.

Enryu should be Universe Level
Jahad Planet Level
Then FH's
Urek in between Jahad and FH's?
As mentioned Enryu isn't an axis, but above Zahard as Zahard could never kill an admin (or presumably create life). That said we also don't know if he exited the tower, do we?

I think Urek is probably closer to, if not equal to Zahard. It was mentioned by Garam wanting him to kill Zahard but he won't - or maybe can't (but implying more of the former IMO). But at least won't. He is stronger than Arie we know, but how much stronger who knows. I don't think Urek fears Zahard though.

When are people gonna realize that Urek is FH lvl but doesn’t have that immortality contract. His power is at the same level as theirs. One example is when Gustang tells Urek to not wipe out his family. If you still doubt this then how could Urek withstand blows from Arie Hon on his test and even fight on the same level like him as stated. Urek Mazino is not a guy to be taken lightly, even his friend Baek is on FH level but on a budget.

Also, SIU stated that Enryu is not an axis, he is like a ”cheater” in a game and that’s why he is so broken. This explains exactly how he could defeat a Administrator and even leave the place and never be found. My guy cheats, he’s too broken.
What's the difference between a ranker with defacto immortality and a FH immortality contract at this point anyways? Before the Zahard empire beings couldn't climb and 'rank' but they can now and don't seem to age (or age so imperceivably slow that they are effectively ageless). We don't know if the FH contract makes them ageless and invulnerable. It is said only Zahard is invulnerable from tower inhabitants due to his kingly, SECONDARY contract - which the FH do not have. OTOH, you have Arlen who couldn't kill herself, supposedly, or at least she healed so fast it was too difficult to kill herself a la Wolverine trying to slit his wrists. Making her *effectively* invulnerable, but does it have a limit (some here think she was able to find a way to suicide after all)?

Then what would the first squadron commander be ? (Nb: Adori is the general commander of the entire army, answerable probably to the king alone)
IMO, she pulls double-duty. As both.

And what would be the difference
Effectively a distinction without a difference. Well, small differences - for one they would share FULL Zahard genetics rather than half. For two, it just underscores his 'seed' is too powerful to 'take' by natural means. But really it's just the difference between how they were begat. The mechanics if you will of how they came to be.

Do we have proof that Adori isn’t the first squadron commander? It would only make sense if she is.
I agree.
 

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Zahad could have raped arlene?
 

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Correct Enryu is not an Axis. Baam is an axis or at least it was hinted he was, right?
 
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