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MANGAHELPERS "TOC" POLL ISSUE #51 - VOTING!​

The poll for issue #51 is now open, vote for your favorite chapters of the week clicking HERE!

Alongside the release of Sakamoto Days, the extra series this week are:

-Dragon Ball Super 66
-Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 52
-Ghost Reaper Girl 10


Good Votes!
 
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Henceforth, I will be deleting posts that complain about Weekly Shonen Jump having too many/not enough gag/battle/exorcism/sports/etc series.

These posts are not insightful, and do not meaningfully contribute to this thread. Also, this decision is not up for discussion, so posts discussing this decision will also be deleted.~ Halloween
 
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It's still clear above the usual flops we get but never forget, RxL got cancelled when it started off significantly higher.

There's not much point in continuing debate about it though, really we just need to wait and see if the lack of any new hits is going to keep it alive (if everything else keeps selling worse), if it'll get cancelled anyway, or, hopefully, a couple of the currently new series stick become hits so we don't have so much unfilled space.

I hope something new becomes a hit soon, I want something new to get excited about future stories and arcs in.
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Seriously though, it's unlikely we'll see any cancellations this round, so once Witch's Guardian has started we'll have 7 new series less than half a year old (I think) running at the same time, none of which we know are safe (unless Zipman or Agravity Boys gets consistent high rankings right away, or if Yozakura or Mitama can climb up well).
 

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I hope something new becomes a hit soon, I want something new to get excited about future stories and arcs in.
I don't know. I feel pretty happy with what I'm reading now, TBH. I wouldn't mind quality new series, of course. But I can honestly say that I am pretty satiated.
 

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It's still clear above the usual flops we get but never forget, RxL got cancelled when it started off significantly higher.

There's not much point in continuing debate about it though, really we just need to wait and see if the lack of any new hits is going to keep it alive (if everything else keeps selling worse), if it'll get cancelled anyway, or, hopefully, a couple of the currently new series stick become hits so we don't have so much unfilled space.

I hope something new becomes a hit soon, I want something new to get excited about future stories and arcs in.
I agree, but it's also worth noting that the usual flops didn't get the same treatment S8 got.
It gets held to a higher standard because realistically, it should have done better.
It got pushed harder than any series I can remember for its debut, and it's just not working.

Now yeah it's selling better than complete flops, but it is clear by now from the ToC and sales that it isn't growing at all. I certainly wouldn't blame them if they got rid of it to take a chance on something else.


I'm not unhappy with the current lineup though, there's plenty of stuff that I like. Only problem is that the only series to really interest me since CSM has been agravity boys, so hopefully the 3 newcomers will be good.
 

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Welp, Samurai 8 is certainly not growing. As others have already said, I think it's gonna heavily depend on what sales for the newer series end up being. Still would be surprised if it was straight up cancelled, but wouldn't be surprised at all if it was transferred to somewhere that isn't WSJ.
 

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Part of me thinks that Kishi only agreed to return if he was given full tenure in his contract.

Assuming that's true, and Shuiesha agreed, his sales and ToC placements wouldn't matter. They'll just let him keep going. Going forward, they'd likely just stop promoting it, which is what we're seeing now.
 

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I don't know. I feel pretty happy with what I'm reading now, TBH. I wouldn't mind quality new series, of course. But I can honestly say that I am pretty satiated.
I'm enjoying the stuff we have now too of course, it's just we've finally got the entire lineup of series officially translated (except Yuuna) so it feels a bit sad that it happened when we've essentially got 8 spaces for flops. Sometimes there's only been 2-3 open spaces not filled by at least minor hits but now it's almost half the magazine.

I read everything and it'd be nice if some more of them stuck around for a while.

That brings to mind a question, has there ever been another time when WSJ has had this much unfilled space? There's been other stretches where they struggled to get new hits but generally that happened when the magazine was already very full, not when it was half empty.

We've had lots of new series at once before but generally at those times a couple end up staying long term (like when we had Spring Weapon + the batch of 6, of which 4 of the 7 lasted over a year and 2 became proper hit series). But now that S8's a clear failure we've had a full year where a large portion of the magazine was filled by new series and the only success started in issue #1.
 

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I don't know. I feel pretty happy with what I'm reading now, TBH. I wouldn't mind quality new series, of course. But I can honestly say that I am pretty satiated.
My problem is so many of the seemingly axed series reach a point where they just start flopping around for 10 chapters before finally ending. I assume it's because they know they're going to be axed and don't want to bother putting effort into a dead series and save ideas for future series but there's too much deadweight to cancel them right away. If we don't get new series soon that problem is only going to get worse when TPN, WNL, Demon Slayer and maybe Yuuna start ending.

If the failing stuff was at least trying like Double Taisei it would be one thing but right now most of them aren't.
 

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Part of me thinks that Kishi only agreed to return if he was given full tenure in his contract.

Assuming that's true, and Shuiesha agreed, his sales and ToC placements wouldn't matter. They'll just let him keep going. Going forward, they'd likely just stop promoting it, which is what we're seeing now.
What evidence do you have to such a thing being the case? Mangaka don't even have typical "contracts" to my knowledge.

Also, I honestly fail to see why Jump would keep Samurai 8 around, in spite of it objectively failing to get what they wanted, purely because of Kishimoto's contributions to Jump. Nepotism is not a good look.

I'm enjoying the stuff we have now too of course, it's just we've finally got the entire lineup of series officially translated (except Yuuna) so it feels a bit sad that it happened when we've essentially got 8 spaces for flops. Sometimes there's only been 2-3 open spaces not filled by at least minor hits but now it's almost half the magazine.

I read everything and it'd be nice if some more of them stuck around for a while.

That brings to mind a question, has there ever been another time when WSJ has had this much unfilled space? There's been other stretches where they struggled to get new hits but generally that happened when the magazine was already very full, not when it was half empty.

We've had lots of new series at once before but generally at those times a couple end up staying long term (like when we had Spring Weapon + the batch of 6, of which 4 of the 7 lasted over a year and 2 became proper hit series). But now that S8's a clear failure we've had a full year where a large portion of the magazine was filled by new series and the only success started in issue #1.
Part of the problem is simply that so many of the new series that have launched have seemed to emphasize the unspectacular and safe over everything else. Ne0, Higuma, TSS and Zipman all had/have that problem of having very standard and "traditional" storylines with small casts and simple villains above all else, rather than doing anything which would actually garner reader attention and interest. Meanwhile we have series like Yui, Taisei, Beast, Yozakura and Agravity which seem outright unfinished in some ways, with no clear direction or jarring tonal shifts which make the manga largely incoherent. For the most part, many of the serializations simply never even stood a chance.
 

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Part of the problem is simply that so many of the new series that have launched have seemed to emphasize the unspectacular and safe over everything else. Ne0, Higuma, TSS and Zipman all had/have that problem of having very standard and "traditional" storylines with small casts and simple villains above all else, rather than doing anything which would actually garner reader attention and interest. Meanwhile we have series like Yui, Taisei, Beast, Yozakura and Agravity which seem outright unfinished in some ways, with no clear direction or jarring tonal shifts which make the manga largely incoherent. For the most part, many of the serializations simply never even stood a chance.
Honestly though, a mangaka can definitely improve throughout a serialization. I mean, if I go back to 2016, I'm pretty sure most people would think kimetsu was getting axed early on. Fast forward 180 chapters later and it's the biggest hit of the decade.
Black clover started as the most generic shonen possible and I honestly dropped it pretty early, yet from what I read in this thread it improved a lot (I'm sorry guys, I'll give it another shot when I have time, I promise).

This is the reason why I'm much more willing to accept flaws from something like Agravity boys than Zipman for example.
 

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Make an announcement that what the One Piece is will be revealed in the next volume. It would sell 50 million copies first week, 120 million first month.
Absolute facts. Would be sad for DS if that happened 🤣
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Hell, Watsuki literally got busted with child porn and he was still allowed to continue doing the RK sequel.

Oda would have to like, murder babies on live TV for them to even consider firing him. And even then they might not.
Wasn't Shimabukuro's first manga (forgot the name) cancelled because he got accused of doing something sexual with a minor but it was apparently false or something?
 

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Absolute facts. Would be sad for DS if that happened 🤣
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Wasn't Shimabukuro's first manga (forgot the name) cancelled because he got accused of doing something sexual with a minor but it was apparently false or something?
He hired a girl through an agency. Unbeknownst to him the girl was a year underaged.
It's a rather different situation. Watsuki was intentionally engaging in illegal pedophile behavior (downloading child porn is illegal pedophile behavior).
Shima was entrapped and didn't intentionally engage in illegal pedophile behavior.
 

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Part of me thinks that Kishi only agreed to return if he was given full tenure in his contract.

Assuming that's true, and Shuiesha agreed, his sales and ToC placements wouldn't matter. They'll just let him keep going. Going forward, they'd likely just stop promoting it, which is what we're seeing now.
I doubt Kishimoto's is that kind of person.

Also I remeber him saying in an interview that he wasn't just a one time lucky guy and wants to prove he can make a manga that surpasses Naruto. So doing something like that is kinda like... scummy.
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He hired a girl through an agency. Unbeknownst to him the girl was a year underaged.
It's a rather different situation. Watsuki was intentionally engaging in illegal pedophile behavior (downloading child porn is illegal pedophile behavior).
Shima was entrapped and didn't intentionally engage in illegal pedophile behavior.
Ah I see. Thanks
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How does he have tenure over Togashi?
He makes more money
 

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Absolute facts. Would be sad for DS if that happened 🤣
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Wasn't Shimabukuro's first manga (forgot the name) cancelled because he got accused of doing something sexual with a minor but it was apparently false or something?
Takeshi got cancelled in WSJ due to the scandal but Shimabu still managed to wrap up the series in Super Jump a few years later.

For some reason people still believe the rumor that Oda helped bring Shimabu back into WSJ. Which is laughable
 

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Takeshi got cancelled in WSJ due to the scandal but Shimabu still managed to wrap up the series in Super Jump a few years later.

For some reason people still believe the rumor that Oda helped bring Shimabu back into WSJ. Which is laughable
Never heard of this rumour but that sounds funny. What have people bee saying? What's there reason?
 

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If I'm not mistaken, these two were the most popular manga by region in the shonen jump app.

 

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Today's morning edition of Yomiuri Shimbun, Japan's (and the world's) largest newspaper by circulation, has an ad for today's episode.

God, I just remembered they ran an interview about Samurai 8 in Yomiuri just before it debuted. Jump really was assuming it be something huge.

And now it can barely make 20K.
 

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I doubt Kishimoto's is that kind of person.

Also I remeber him saying in an interview that he wasn't just a one time lucky guy and wants to prove he can make a manga that surpasses Naruto. So doing something like that is kinda like... scummy.
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Ah I see. Thanks
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He makes more money
Tenure = money?
I hope you realize why your credibility on this forum is temporarily dropping.
 

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Tenure = money?
I hope you realize why your credibility on this forum is temporarily dropping.
Ok. I won't say anything here ever again unless I want to ask a question.
 
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