Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Laxus chan-yo]

I'd like to see how long Laxus could last against August. Ik he'd get stomped by how would he even try to fight him lol.

Bro even I gotta admit...that is one bout where our boy gets shanked. Maybe if he unlocks dragon force

 

[Ramen]

Bro even I gotta admit...that is one bout where our boy gets shanked. Maybe if he unlocks dragon force

Well it's all good because who isn't getting shanked right? As of rn, I just need Laxus to catch up to Gildarts

 

[Perdieucas]

Wait, so are we really about to continue to misrepresent this like Erza didn’t just this quarter finally make it to Laxus tier? Because the gap has been clear for years. Hell, you can only pretend it isn’t still massive if you actively ignore that Erza struggled with Kiria twice and Laxus put her down before doing a repeat performance at Erza’s request.

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She is. She couldn’t put Erza down, and got smacked out her Dragon Form (until somebody retcons it, y’all keep hope alive though) by an Erza on her last leg. Human Irene would have a hard time with Alvarez Laxus. She isn’t really in a good position with current Laxus at all. She needs hax to win this.

Laxus did not put Erza down. Both fainted from exhaustion. Laxus may barely squeak out a "win" but guess what, this isn't a tournament. This is a battle and you don't just go to sleep on the battlefield when you have other enemies and other goals you are trying to accomplish. Both characters took each other out of the battle and left themselves vulnerable to other enemies. I don't get how people can say he went to sleep. That man fainted because he spent all of his magical power to stalemate a previously thought "weaker" Erza. You can say that he was weakened because of Kyria, but he still looked pretty fresh to me.

Onto the next point, I was replying to the fact that other people were talking about feats of Irene and Laxus. The only feat Laxus had in Alvarez was beating Wahl. Irene was already stated as being one of the top two Spriggans, so Laxus defeating Wahl doesn't put him above Irene in the slightest. Just because you have a feat doesn't automatically make you stronger than another person. If that was the case then I would have put Erza above Laxus because she literally smashed a meteor with most of her body in a heap, but I knew that that power came from POF and only comes at times of extreme emotion.

Another point, Irene could have killed Erza at the end. Wendy and Erza were defenseless, but she stabbed herself because of the relationship Erza and Irene had. It's not like that one was a stalemate like the Erza Laxus fight. Irene still had gas left in the tank.

 

[Seven777]

Is Eileen/Wendy's performance supposed to impress me? She beat someone weaker than Kyria lol. People are getting way too excited over someone who's only feat is smacking around Wendy.

 

[bugen]

You’re repeating yourself bro. An I’m not sure what you’re point is now. You are back to trying and convince us all that only you understand the true meaning of double KO, but there is literally not a single combat sport or game that considers it a tie outside of both combatants dropping simultaneously or tapping out simultaneously. So what do you hope to gain by continuing to argue that him going to sleep after securing his victory makes this a tie? Erza doesn’t even agree with you. Nobody really does. Your entire post is trying to convince us that because he says double KO to indicate both are currently unable to fight, it was meant to be a tie. So ignore Erza, Ignore Kiria’s statement, ignore the damn title, it was a tie. An that argument just doesn’t hold water. Honestly I don’t even feel obligated to really put effort into a response. An I fucking love debating about Laxus, but you’d be better off at this point just saying you prefer Erza and won’t accept this as a loss.

There kid, how wrong you are.
I will say it simple.


in ft when using all their magic they get knocked out as has happened many times.

Laxus used some magic with Kyria.

Laxus fought with advantage most of the fight, Erza could not go seriously until the end, she could have done much more damage to Laxus in the previous chapter.

Erza at the end of the vs said she ran out of magic, she knew it would be ko, she saw laxus standing knowing that she fainted shortly, obviously she lost as she said, but she never knew that laxus was also in it situation.

Laxus heard all the speech and the defeat of Erza, when she passed out he told her that next time he would win, definitely (words of loser just like she said) and then said that he also ran out of magic too, admitting that he would faint just like she did, laxus was ko just like erza.

There are no rules, there are no arbitrators.

Kyria who saw the vs said that both knocked out each other (double ko) -each other- (only in competitions with rules there are winners)

then mashima put double ko.

Do you dare to say those things without feeling shame? what more barbaric things I read about you and the others, you don't know how to understand the comments or the manga.

With that said here are the evidence that the vs has been matched and said by both fighters + Kyria + Mashima.

for me the end.

 

[Demon Hunter]

IMO Erza going all out even could probably beat Irene now. She is so much stronger than her Alvarez form. Just like Laxus is >> his Alvarez form (having a new mode of red lightning as opposed to just gaining that power and using one attack with it). Erza is also much stronger than her Alvarez form as her rate of growth kept up with his and was probably even more than his. Current Erza and Laxus would wreck their Alvarez selves. All main characters grow a lot after each arc.

For Laxus, in RL mode if he fought multiple Spriggan (the non-hax ones) like Ajeel/Wahl/Invel would go on a oneshotting spree and wreck them solo. Irene's dragon's form also canonically gets oneshotted by Erza with DS magic and now she can use that without Wendy's help.

man don't waste your breath.

you have people saying that Erza was always equal to Laxus simply because she has all this enchantments which automatically means she was his peer pre 100YQ
then you have people saying Elfman >>> Demo Fist during Alvarez even though Elfman during the main series was weaker than BSS Mirajane

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Is Eileen/Wendy's performance supposed to impress me? She beat someone weaker than Kyria lol. People are getting way too excited over someone who's only feat is smacking around Wendy.

hey we should believe Skullion's statements about DF Nebal >>>> FT members but not August's statement about Ajeel's death

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Onto the next point, I was replying to the fact that other people were talking about feats of Irene and Laxus. The only feat Laxus had in Alvarez was beating Wahl. Irene was already stated as being one of the top two Spriggans, so Laxus defeating Wahl doesn't put him above Irene in the slightest. Just because you have a feat doesn't automatically make you stronger than another person. If that was the case then I would have put Erza above Laxus because she literally smashed a meteor with most of her body in a heap, but I knew that that power came from POF and only comes at times of extreme emotion.

you can actually say the same about Irene.

what does human Irene have during Alvarez that puts him above Laxus, other than hype???

 

[Ramen]

man don't waste your breath.

you have people saying that Erza was always equal to Laxus simply because she has all this enchantments which automatically means she was his peer pre 100YQ
then you have people saying Elfman >>> Demo Fist during Alvarez even though Elfman during the main series was weaker than BSS Mirajane

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hey we should believe Skullion's statements about DF Nebal >>>> FT members but not August's statement about Ajeel's death

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you can actually say the same about Irene.

what does human Irene have during Alvarez that puts him above Laxus, other than hype???

Laxus had cancer, fought against someone who's immune to his magic, used a rune to heal himself, then kills the spriggan. LoL

 

[GL_Nova]

She didn't just make it lmfao. He needed Red Lightning to put her in that state which he did not have in Alvarez lol. Erza only struggled once and that was due to hax which Laxus had to bs his way through with his "weak" heart . You mean the same Kiria that admitted Erza was out of her league? Or the multiple times Hiro had to point out they double KOed each other to present them as equals? Laxus is in Erza tier and not above it. There was no gap for to bridge as she has always been in his league since the 1 year skip.

Dude, Kiria being surprised by her trump cards doesn’t erase their previous encounters. Kiria was able to defeat red pants Erza, and stalemate her with the dragon seal. All without DF, and she used all the stuff we saw against Erza and them, and Laxus tanked it effortlessly. That’s what a full powered rested Laxus vs an Erza tier opponent looks like. He tanked her hax just like he tanked her slices, and his Makarov speech on character doesn’t change he tanked it. An again, her celebrating them both being down, and Mashima stating both are out of commission doesn’t retroactively make it a tie. So unless we’re now considering every match where the victor passes out from exhaustion after winning a tie, you need a better argument to defend this. I mean honestly you should take the fact Erza has finally hit Laxus tier as a celebration. It’s about time she caught up. An if you keep downplaying Kiria, you can really pretend this was a genuine victory.

 

[Seven777]

man don't waste your breath.

you have people saying that Erza was always equal to Laxus simply because she has all this enchantments which automatically means she was his peer pre 100YQ
then you have people saying Elfman >>> Demo Fist during Alvarez even though Elfman during the main series was weaker than BSS Mirajane

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hey we should believe Skullion's statements about DF Nebal >>>> FT members but not August's statement about Ajeel's death

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you can actually say the same about Irene.

what does human Irene have during Alvarez that puts him above Laxus, other than hype???

Pfft, for all we know Skullion was talking about Lucy, or more likely Wendy... since that's who Nebal actually fought, and his performance against her puts him below Kyria.

Human Eileen's feats put her on Alvarez Erza's tier, even when bloodlusted she was doing pretty meh until she got so mad at Erza trolling her that she turned into a dragon

 

[Demon Hunter]

Human Eileen's feats put her on Alvarez Erza's tier, even when bloodlusted she was doing pretty meh until she got so mad at Erza trolling her that she turned into a dragon

but that's a PIS, right???

remove Erza feats against Irene and she will be on the same level as her Tartaros version

 

[Perdieucas]

man don't waste your breath.

you have people saying that Erza was always equal to Laxus simply because she has all this enchantments which automatically means she was his peer pre 100YQ
then you have people saying Elfman >>> Demo Fist during Alvarez even though Elfman during the main series was weaker than BSS Mirajane

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hey we should believe Skullion's statements about DF Nebal >>>> FT members but not August's statement about Ajeel's death

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you can actually say the same about Irene.

what does human Irene have during Alvarez that puts him above Laxus, other than hype???

She summoned a meteor; she reshaped the earth; she easily capped Mirajane; She was a major part in helping slay dragons back in her own time. Tell me what has Laxus done that puts him above that?

 

[Demon Hunter]

She summoned a meteor; she reshaped the earth; she easily capped Mirajane; She was a major part in helping slay dragons back in her own time. Tell me what has Laxus done that puts him above that?

- talking about human Irene here
- reshaping a continent needs some prep and is useless in combat unless you want to escape the battle
- Mirajane used almost all of her power and couldn't even use a Take Over
- yeah, she made up DS magic which won't help her here

 

[Perdieucas]

- talking about human Irene here
- reshaping a continent needs some prep and is useless in combat unless you want to escape the battle
- Mirajane used almost all of her power and couldn't even use a Take Over
- yeah, she made up DS magic which won't help her here

Ok, even if we took out the meteor.
- yah it takes prep, but it shows her immense magical power
- Mirajane used all of her magic against Irene's magic. Those two swords were her enchantments.
-- she came up with DS magic, but she was also fighting the dragons as well, which would be a feat on its own.

 

[Demon Hunter]

Ok, even if we took out the meteor.
- yah it takes prep, but it shows her immense magical power
- Mirajane used all of her magic against Irene's magic. Those two swords were her enchantments.
-- she came up with DS magic, but she was also fighting the dragons as well, which would be a feat on its own.

- we know MP means jack in combat though
- that should be the specialty of enchantment magic, same how she made berserkers but won't help her in one on one
- maybe but I don't think she can beat a dragon in straight up fight though, maybe those who became half dragons themselves can (still find it ridiculous and unrealistic that human DS can take down a dragon easier than dragons taking down other dragons )

 

[GL_Nova]

There kid, how wrong you are.
I will say it simple.


in ft when using all their magic they get knocked out as has happened many times.

Laxus used some magic with Kyria.

Laxus fought with advantage most of the fight, Erza could not go seriously until the end, she could have done much more damage to Laxus in the previous chapter.

Erza at the end of the vs said she ran out of magic, she knew it would be ko, she saw laxus standing knowing that she fainted shortly, obviously she lost as she said, but she never knew that laxus was also in it situation.

Laxus heard all the speech and the defeat of Erza, when she passed out he told her that next time he would win, definitely (words of loser just like she said) and then said that he also ran out of magic too, admitting that he would faint just like she did, laxus was ko just like erza.

There are no rules, there are no arbitrators.

Kyria who saw the vs said that both knocked out each other (double ko) -each other- (only in competitions with rules there are winners)

then mashima put double ko.

Do you dare to say those things without feeling shame? what more barbaric things I read about you and the others, you don't know how to understand the comments or the manga.

With that said here are the evidence that the vs has been matched and said by both fighters + Kyria + Mashima.

for me the end.

Dude, I’m in my 30’s so save the kid shit . This was a bit better as far as responses go though.

Laxus used a secret art, which he still would have had in the tank had he not already used it. Again your strategy relies on downplaying Kiria to hype Erza’s symbolic victory. Since without him runnin out of magic it’s just a complete and utter defeat.

Dude, at worst Laxus opens up the fight acknowledging that Erza is too strong to just 1 hit KO and that he will take her seriously. Though it’s totally in line with his character that after Erza reveals a new form, he one ups her immediately. Like how even though he didn’t need it to win, he revealed his DS magic to Natsu and Gajeel to show how much stronger than them he was.

She wasn’t unable to go all out. She tried to save her trump cards and Laxus literally tells her she stands no chance against him if she doesn’t go all out. Which she does, and gets riggity riggity wrecked son.

She just lost bro. Your trying to explain away the speech she gave, but in Erza’s opinion this was a defeat. She stated as much. An then went into detail about it.

This explanation makes no sense. Maybe you don’t win Enough stuff, but normally when somebody you beat declares they’ll beat you next time, folks contest it. As previously discussed, his statement doesn’t encapsulate her entire 4 page speech and declaration of loss. It’s only responding to the idea that she’ll win next time. I’m a big brother, and every time my siblings proclaim future victory, I correct them, because nothing will change next time either.

She declares Laxus the victor. Yes she’s excited both are out of commission after the fight because she doesn’t have to challenge either, but she doesn’t stop and correct herself to say “oh, it’s a tie.”

You mean after he titles the chapter Red Conclusion? You know because Laxus won. An it’s obvious Mashima was trying to convey the victor through the title, something he’s done consistently throughout his career.

It doesn’t take much daring to state what happened bro.

 

[Biri Biri]

She summoned a meteor; she reshaped the earth; she easily capped Mirajane; She was a major part in helping slay dragons back in her own time. Tell me what has Laxus done that puts him above that?

 

[bugen]

Dude, I’m in my 30’s so save the kid shit . This was a bit better as far as responses go though.

I know the result very well and there are no winners.

yourself.

we better leave it, This is going to be a vicious circle.

The child is for the google translator.

sorry for this.

 

[Biri Biri]

@Biri Biri I found out your identity

you are Alpharez

I was Alpharez.

But I came across a thread where I could request to change my username.

And now I am Biri Biri.

I know the result very well and there are no winners.

yourself.

we better leave it, This is going to be a vicious circle.

The child is for the google translator.

sorry for this.

Whatever that means, I agree.

 

[Perdieucas]

Context is key

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- we know MP means jack in combat though
- that should be the specialty of enchantment magic, same how she made berserkers but won't help her in one one
- maybe but I don't think she can beat a dragon in straight up fight though, maybe those who became half dragons themselves can (still find it ridiculous and unrealistic that human DS can take down a dragon easier than dragons taking down other dragons )

-MP has a lot to do with combat, we just saw Erza and Laxus pass out from being out of magic power. Also Irene being able to use that huge Universe One spell and being completely fine afterwards and able to fight proves how much MP she has. Usually people with a lot of MP are pretty strong.
-still her enchantment making one of the top Fairy Tail wizards to use their full power proves how strong her magic is.
-It really isn't especially when you think that Acnologia is the reason why Dragons were driven to borderline extinction

 

[Demon Hunter]

-MP has a lot to do with combat, we just saw Erza and Laxus pass out from being out of magic power. Also Irene being able to use that huge Universe One spell and being completely fine afterwards and able to fight proves how much MP she has. Usually people with a lot of MP are pretty strong.
-still her enchantment making one of the top Fairy Tail wizards to use their full power proves how strong her magic is.
-It really isn't especially when you think that Acnologia is the reason why Dragons were driven to borderline extinction

- but that won't help her here. she'll take a lot of damage. if she gets hurt but DF Wendy, what makes you think would happen if Laxus punches her???
- yeah but this really doesn't help her in one on one unless she wants to become a Berserker
- it definitely is, humans having DS was a game changer during war until they started to lose mind

so I ask again, what combat feat does she has in her human form to contend with Laxus???