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MANGAHELPERS "TOC" POLL ISSUE #51 - VOTING!​

The poll for issue #51 is now open, vote for your favorite chapters of the week clicking HERE!

Alongside the release of Sakamoto Days, the extra series this week are:

-Dragon Ball Super 66
-Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 52
-Ghost Reaper Girl 10


Good Votes!
 
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Henceforth, I will be deleting posts that complain about Weekly Shonen Jump having too many/not enough gag/battle/exorcism/sports/etc series.

These posts are not insightful, and do not meaningfully contribute to this thread. Also, this decision is not up for discussion, so posts discussing this decision will also be deleted.~ Halloween
 
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Jujutsu Kaisen (Cover & LCP)
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Sakamoto Days (CP)
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Magu-chan: God of Destruction (CP)
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Me & Roboco
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We Never Learn
Chainsaw Man
Koukousei Kazoku
Undead Unluck
Moriking
Agravity Boys
Honomieru Shounen
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Cover & LCP: My Hero Academia
CP: Undead Unluck, Mission: Yozakura Family, The Promised Neverland, Dosanko Gyaru wa Namaramenkoi

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I was looking the raw of the last one shots and the "Kitsune Biyori no Konjirou" by Fujimaki was visually impressive, Fujimaki kinda nailed the atmosphere of a "realistic and traditional" samurai series, the characters didn't felt like something made just to please fujoshis like Robot x Laserbeam and the backgrounds were really good, i would really like to see that being serialized.

Kiraboshi no Meryl was also something quite unique visually and the premise taking in count that it seems like a battle shounen, the art reminded me of early Nanatsu no Taizai (the art), really cool, i would like to see that being serialized too just for the combination of art and "over the top" transformations :p

 

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So, question to everyone, what're you guys current thoughts on One Piece?
 

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So, question to everyone, what're you guys current thoughts on One Piece?
"Trite, contrived, mediocre, milquetoast, amateurish, infantile, cliche-and-gonorrhea-ridden paean to conformism, eye-fucked me, affront to humanity, war crime, should *literally* be tried for war crimes, resolutely shit, lacking in imagination, uninformed reimagining of, limp-wristed, premature, ill-informed attempt at, talentless fuckfest, recidivistic shitpeddler, pedantic, listless, savagely boring, just one repulsive laugh after another."

Nah, not that bad, maybe range between decent and subpar, I presume.
 

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One Piece to me feels kind of like magazine filler at this point. I read it because it's there and it's a historic series rather than because I especially enjoy it.

It'll be weird when One Piece eventually ends, it is gradually getting there unlike the oldest series in other magazines (though I guess we'll technically still have an ongoing 90s series in HxH, if togashi hasn't given up on it by then).
 

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You never know haha I mean people were probably thinking the same of Dragon Ball sales.
I think in Act 4 and 5 in wano will recover the one piece sales this year. You may never knew that it could flip flop the Kimetsu no yaiba sells and it turns out One piece will win over Yaiba this year.

Currently there is zero presence of the Strawhats and it will continue to hurt the sales.

Kimestsu no yaiba was on perfect timing when Wano arc is ongoing. In first 3 Acts weren't received well by Japanese readers and they expected to be better than marineford war hype.

Kimetsu no yaiba is one hell lucky manga back when it was part of 30k club sales before then it become one of the best seller manga in this decade.
 

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when one piece ends i'll read seinen
 

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I love One Piece and I probably will until I die. Wano hasn't exactly been up to expectations after like 5 years of hype, as well as coming of WCI and Reverie. I'd say around 1/2 through Act 2 of Wano it really picked up and has been riding that high (mostly) since. The Oden flashback went on a little too long tbh but I still got a lot out of it. I do think my opinion of it has improved upon rereading the arc at once rather than weekly, as well as watching the anime alongside it.
 

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"current thoughts" in One Piece is a pretty ambiguous question, considering the sheer scale of the series. The flashback? The last year? The current arc? The post-timeskip as a whole? My opinion is very positive overall, but how positive it will be depends on the cut-off point. The flashback was pretty good. Act two was good, but I have a few complicated thoughs about it, it was great at some things and not very good at others. Act one was great. I've been enjoying Wano a lot overall, but I guess there's a lot that hinges on the payoff, so we'll see how it goes.
 
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Waiting for Wano to end before reading the arc in its entirety.
 

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I think in Act 4 and 5 in wano will recover the one piece sales this year. You may never knew that it could flip flop the Kimetsu no yaiba sells and it turns out One piece will win over Yaiba this year.

Currently there is zero presence of the Strawhats and it will continue to hurt the sales.

Kimestsu no yaiba was on perfect timing when Wano arc is ongoing. In first 3 Acts weren't received well by Japanese readers and they expected to be better than marineford war hype.

Kimetsu no yaiba is one hell lucky manga back when it was part of 30k club sales before then it become one of the best seller manga in this decade.
Manga events rarely, if ever, boost sales, let alone boost backlog sales which is what would make OP sell better. And once again a reminder that what boosted OP was not Marineford, but Strong World. Also, KNY was not part of the 30k club, it was selling around 150k before the anime started lol.
 

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Manga events rarely, if ever, boost sales, let alone boost backlog sales which is what would make OP sell better. And once again a reminder that what boosted OP was not Marineford, but Strong World. Also, KNY was not part of the 30k club, it was selling around 150k before the anime started lol.
I agree, but there's another thing with One Piece: what it needs right now is not backlog sales in the traditional sense (it basically got everything it could already), but to raise (or slow down the decline of) its current sales and bring back old readers who fell off for whatever reason. And to that end, manga events could very well help. Obviously not anything huge, but something.
 

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Regarding my own views on OP, they're....complicated. I used to enjoy reading the series greatly not that long ago, but then I slowly engaged myself more with manga and began to experience more works, and I slowly started to realize it was less that I enjoyed the series and more that I conditioned myself to enjoy it no matter what. Now, while I still deeply respect the series and do view a lot of material of it as peak material of the 2000s, I feel Oda's ambitions have caused him to lose all sight of the story he's telling, and that combined with the series increasingly bad paneling has left it one of my least favorite things to actually read.
 

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Im actually rereading through Zou arc and plan on getting caught up with Wano (only read a bit of it). WCI was a bit of mess and I cant remember a lot. Prior to that, I didn't have a big issue with the TS, it did some things worse than pre-TS but also some things better. While the art can get crammed in post-TS, I still enjoyed Oda's paneling and it's still some of the best I've seen. Not much of a fan of Super Eyepatch Wolf but he did a very good job explaining Oda's brilliant paneling. Also, post-TS, the character writing and foreshadowing is some of the best.

I had OP on hold for a long time and it's only until I've watched Stampede is when it started to rejuvenate my love for the series. I'm only starting to get caught up again since I got free time now.
Manga events rarely, if ever, boost sales, let alone boost backlog sales which is what would make OP sell better. And once again a reminder that what boosted OP was not Marineford, but Strong World. Also, KNY was not part of the 30k club, it was selling around 150k before the anime started lol.
KnY was part of the 30k club at one point. I think he was referring back around the time when Kimetsu was serialized.
 

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Im actually rereading through Zou arc and plan on getting caught up with Wano (only read a bit of it). WCI was a bit of mess and I cant remember a lot. Prior to that, I didn't have a big issue with the TS, it did some things worse than pre-TS but also some things better. While the art can get crammed in post-TS, I still enjoyed Oda's paneling and it's still some of the best I've seen. Not much of a fan of Super Eyepatch Wolf but he did a very good job explaining Oda's brilliant paneling. Also, post-TS, the character writing and foreshadowing is some of the best.

I had OP on hold for a long time and it's only until I've watched Stampede is when it started to rejuvenate my love for the series. I'm only starting to get caught up again since I got free time now.
Modern OP has "good paneling"?

Uh...no? Not in the slightest? Not unless you like pages which are crammed together to include as much as possible at the cost of impact or dynamic ideas. Character writing point baffles me as well, as OP's character writing is...not great.

Like, could you actually expand on your argument there?
 
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I get your point that Oda's artwork can be quite busy at times, I personally consider it a strong point of his, I will always prefer a busy panel over blanks like in BLEACH where Tite drew nothing but characters.

I think Oda is a good panelist, I have never had trouble understanding what's going on on a battle, for example sometimes while reading Naruto I had to like double-check pages, I guess Kubo Tite is better at conveying action than both of them, but at the same time, Tite drew like entire pages for action sequences way too often.

As for my opinion on One Piece, I already stated that I think of it as literature of the highest caliber. But it has some pacing issues, especially with how Oda likes to make lots of different characters be battling at the same time.

As for its story, I enjoy it, it's my favorite serial right now, has been a staple for me for like almost 15 years. It hasn't always been the manga I look forward to the most week by week (At some point Bakuman was, Shokugeki no soma too and now it kinda is One Piece since it's the only one I read weekly).

As others have said reading One Piece becomes like a ritual, like something you do just because you are so used to it that... You just do it, like seriously I feel weird whenever there's a new chapter and I haven't read it, like if you forgot to brush your teeth, the "Did I forget something?" sort of feeling. But I know for a fact that I still love One Piece, I used to love Naruto but stopped reading it when it was boring to me, that only happened during Zou for me with OP, but I continued reading afterward.
 

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Modern OP has "good paneling"?

Uh...no? Not in the slightest? Not unless you like pages which are crammed together to include as much as possible at the cost of impact or dynamic ideas. Character writing point baffles me as well.

Like, could you actually expand on your argument there?
Modern as in post-TS? Yes. I would say it does have good paneling and Oda is a master at cramming in a lot of things lol. Like I said eyepatch wolf's video does a good job with covering that. I'm not going to start pulling out manga pages here especially on this thread if that's what you're expecting.

Yep, Doflamingo/Corazon/Law backstory is some of the best backstories in the series.
 

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Im actually rereading through Zou arc and plan on getting caught up with Wano (only read a bit of it). WCI was a bit of mess and I cant remember a lot. Prior to that, I didn't have a big issue with the TS, it did some things worse than pre-TS but also some things better. While the art can get crammed in post-TS, I still enjoyed Oda's paneling and it's still some of the best I've seen. Not much of a fan of Super Eyepatch Wolf but he did a very good job explaining Oda's brilliant paneling. Also, post-TS, the character writing and foreshadowing is some of the best.

I had OP on hold for a long time and it's only until I've watched Stampede is when it started to rejuvenate my love for the series. I'm only starting to get caught up again since I got free time now.


KnY was part of the 30k club at one point. I think he was referring back around the time when Kimetsu was serialized.
Funny you mention WCI as a mess. IMO, the stretch of Punk Hazard to Dressrosa (while still having great moments overall) was the point I was most mixed in One Piece. Zou and Whole Cake, on the other hand, are some of my favorite arcs in the series.
 

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Oda's paneling is very, very inconsistent. Sometimes it's good, sometimes he crams a shitton of text into his pages (a lot of which could be removed entirely), and sometimes he just tries to fit way too much into the page.

The best example of "good paneling" in jump right now is Fujimoto. He's definitely not the best artist, yet his pages are dynamic, engaging and always CLEAR. Clarity is supposed to be the number one priority all the time, and Oda's scene often lack that. Good artwork can never truly feel good if the pages feel tiring.
 
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