Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Ramen]

Gray beat Invel by absorbing his Ice magic and using it against him, which is something we've seen him do in base b4. And b4 this boost Demonized gray injured invel twice and didn't continue only cause of ice lock.

Skullion left because they were outnumbered and wendy was rendering him pretty much useless with her wind. Madmole was still releatively fine even after the attack and Skullion even say they need to leave until after Erza beat kyria.

Gray overpowered Invel on his own then used his Ice. Regular Gray could only be equal to Invel, he needed the boost.

 

[Axiomus]

Gray beat Invel by absorbing his Ice magic and using it against him, which is something we've seen him do in base b4. And b4 this boost Demonized gray injured invel twice and didn't continue only cause of ice lock.

Skullion left because they were outnumbered and wendy was rendering him pretty much useless with her wind. Madmole was still releatively fine even after the attack and Skullion even say they need to leave until after Erza beat kyria.

Gray didn't absorb Invel's ice magic. He simply copied it with his ice-make. Anyways, Gray was clearly much stronger after he thought Juvia died. He was stomping Invel with just his regular punches and broke Invel's true ice armour with a punch as well. In their prior skirmish, Invel broke zero longsword and wasn't really bothered from its hits.

This was Skullion's reaction to Natsu's attack. He didn't have this reaction to any Gray's zero longsword or ice-make: silver. Keep in mind that Madmole is actually more durable than Madmole. Natsu's regular punch actually managed to scratch up Skullion's face, whereas a Demolition Fist did nothing. I'm sure Erza played a part in making Skullion reconsider his retreat, but I doubt the addition of Gray and Lucy really contributed much.

 

[Ramen]

When natsu first used LFD Erza compared the power to when he ate etherion which is when he first used dragon force. Also I don't think it's a stretch to say that LFD is at least a 2x boost since when he went from getting manhandled by hades to wailing on him and overpowering his magic.

Everything is relative. If simply being a dragon slayer can't give them the ability to do significant damage to even low tier dragons then Gray being able to oneshot Mard Geer can't be attributed solely to a devil slaying advantage.

Gray at his strongest equaled a version of natsu that was equal to One of natsu's more prominent power ups. Again Natsu has another power up which is the reason why his max is currently stronger, but if Gray gets another powerup (that's at least 2-3 times his normal power) Then the gap closes.


Also Regular Natsu was frozen for sometime by Invel so i don't see your point. Neither of them are beat spriggans with their base attacks.

Please show the scan. Plus LFD is no where near DF and that's not debatable. It's literally canon. LFD put Hades down for a bit but Hades got up like nothing happened. DF defeated Jellal, and was gave Natsu the boost he needed to one shot FH Zeref/

Yes he can. Dragons (even lesser ones) can't be compared to demons. Demons can be defeated by anyone, dragons cannot. The slayer advantage gives a huge boost, but if the enemies are still that strong (ie the dragons) in the end it won't do much. Again any dragon in FT would utterly destroy Gray and Mard Geer.

Again, Gray at his strongest was only equal to END which is no where near Natsu at his strongest. "If" Gray gets that power-up then sure, the gap closes. But it won't happen and Natsu will continue to tiers ahead of Gray

They were caught off guard and quickly after, Natsu melted it so who cares?

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Madmole is actually more durable than Madmole

Nani?

 

[WoWfan]

The strongest in the guild makes him stronger than Natsu who defeated Zeref with FH

 

[Ramen]

......He copied it by absorbing it. And he got in two hit s while Invel was still surprised at the fact that he was alive. Doesn't mean that Gray would have beat him with just his bare hands lol. and he was bleeding from his abdomen. Just because he chose to ignore it because he knew he had hax doesn't mean it's not damage.

Yeah because Gray's attacks were all nullified by his hax (same way Natsu couldn't hit him until wendy stepped in). That says nothing about his attack power. But we do know that since gray can freeze natsu's fire he could do a similar thing but just freeze madmole for a bit. And take it how you will but the previous time they only one cause of hax and separating their opponents. This time they had counters to the hax and were all in one place.

Gray has never been shown to freeze something on the level of a FDK purgatory so no, he can't freeze Madmole.

 

[WoWfan]

Shut up......just shut up. Stupidity is a crime.

Hey don't look at me, other people claimed this, I was as confused as you are

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Invel did freeze FDK flames before so his Ice can reach that level at his peak

 

[Ramen]

Hey don't look at me, other people claimed this, I was as confused as you are

Who said this......I haven't seen a single person say Gildarts is stronger than Acnologia. I have seen people say that within the guild he is the strongest. Natsu becomes the strongest with DF, FoE and those power-ups but he can't use them at will

 

[WoWfan]

Who said this......I haven't seen a single person say Gildarts is stronger than Acnologia. I have seen people say that within the guild he is the strongest. Natsu becomes the strongest with DF, FoE and those power-ups but he can't use them at will

People said he's the strongest and no one is taking that away from him, so that is what they are going for, so then Guildarts is not the strongest and that is bs

 

[Axiomus]

When natsu first used LFD Erza compared the power to when he ate etherion which is when he first used dragon force. Also I don't think it's a stretch to say that LFD is at least a 2x boost since when he went from getting manhandled by hades to wailing on him and overpowering his magic.

Everything is relative. If simply being a dragon slayer can't give them the ability to do significant damage to even low tier dragons then Gray being able to oneshot Mard Geer can't be attributed solely to a devil slaying advantage.

Gray at his strongest equaled a version of natsu that was equal to One of natsu's more prominent power ups. Again Natsu has another power up which is the reason why his max is currently stronger, but if Gray gets another powerup (that's at least 2-3 times his normal power) Then the gap closes.


Also Regular Natsu was frozen for sometime by Invel so i don't see your point. Neither of them are beat spriggans with their base attacks.

LFD was comparable to Dragon Force because Natsu ate all of Laxus' magic power. This is roughly equivalent to all of Jellal's magic power, which Natsu also ate to obtain dragon force before. When Natsu is using LFD with his own magic power, it's much weaker than Dragon Force with his own power. Case in point: DF was better than LFD against Mard Geer.

GMG dragons are much, much, much stronger than the etherious. They were future Rogue's gambit to taking down Acnologia, and future Rogue must have already lived through the Spriggan invasion and all. Plus, you're comparing Gray with Silver's mp against Natsu with his own mp. If we're truly being fair, Gray's with Silver's is actually the counterpart to Natsu with Igneel's power. Both are power-ups that their fathers left them in the form of a tattoo on their arm. It should be pretty obvious why Natsu jumped way ahead of Gray when you look at it like that.

......He copied it by absorbing it. And he got in two hit s while Invel was still surprised at the fact that he was alive. Doesn't mean that Gray would have beat him with just his bare hands lol. and he was bleeding from his abdomen. Just because he chose to ignore it because he knew he had hax doesn't mean it's not damage.

Yeah because Gray's attacks were all nullified by his hax (same way Natsu couldn't hit him until wendy stepped in). That says nothing about his attack power. But we do know that since gray can freeze natsu's fire he could do a similar thing but just freeze madmole for a bit. And take it how you will but the previous time they only one cause of hax and separating their opponents. This time they had counters to the hax and were all in one place.

He never absorbed it. There was no absorbing anywhere in that fight. He copied the Invel's ice with ice-make. Gray was pummeling Invel with his bare hands. He broke Invel's strongest ice with a punch too. He couldn't do this before. Even if you don't think he could have won without copying Invel's ice, there's no denying that Gray was stronger because of the emotional boost he got when Juvia died.

Zero longsword hit Skullion cleanly, and the ice wasn't nullified until after Skullion was encased in ice. That says everything about his attack power.

Gray can probably freeze Madmole, sure but I see Madmole breaking the ice and coming out with virtually no damage. The same way Kyria did.

 

[Ramen]

Invel did freeze FDK flames before so his Ice can reach that level at his peak

Are you referring to Gray? He has never shown the ability to freeze something like a FDK Purgatory. When did Invel freeze FDK flames? It was a regular roar.

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People said he's the strongest and no one is taking that away from him, so that is what they are going for, so then Guildarts is not the strongest and that is bs

Yes Natsu is stronger with his power-ups like DF but Gildarts would smash him before he accesses them so again, Gildarts is stronger.

 

[Axiomus]

Nani?

Lol my bad. I'm getting confuzzled here. What I meant to say is that Madmole has better durability than Skullion. So the fact that Natsu is able to damage Madmole at all means that he would have hurt Skullion more.

 

[WoWfan]

It happened next scene where Natsu uses FDK Flames to burn the earth just like he did with Zeref, but then Invel freezes him

So then Guildarts is stronger than Zeref

 

[Ramen]

Lol my bad. I'm getting confuzzled here. What I meant to say is that Madmole has better durability than Skullion. So the fact that Natsu is able to damage Madmole at all means that he would have hurt Skullion more.

Yea I'm confused too. Is he arguing Gray is actually close to Natsu or LFD is close to DF?

 

[Axiomus]

Are you referring to Gray? He has never shown the ability to freeze something like a FDK Purgatory. When did Invel freeze FDK flames? It was a regular roar.

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You are about to go down a rabbit hole. He thinks Invel froze FDK flames because of this. He thinks Natsu making a circle of flames around himself constitutes as Natsu entering FDK mode.

Spoiler

 

[Ramen]

It happened next scene where he uses FDK Flames to burn the earth just like he did with Zeref.

Those are the same flames in the scan previous. Where did you get the idea that it's FDK flames.

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So then Guildarts is stronger than Zeref

Sure if Gildarts uses the power of the guild mark like Natsu did then he could probably do it too.

Natsu with his top Power-ups is stronger than Gildarts but only if he can use them in time. If he can't Gildarts still wins.

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You are about to go down a rabbit hole. He thinks Invel froze FDK flames because of this. He thinks Natsu making a circle of flames around himself constitutes as Natsu entering FDK mode.

You know what? I won't even continue if that's the case.

 

[WoWfan]

They are the same flames as the Flame Dragon King mode which burns the earth

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So then Gildarts is not the strongest and Natsu is because of savage flames, make up your mind, if not, then Guildarts is stronger than Zeref

 

[WoWfan]

Well he was entering FDK mode

 

[Ramen]

Erza compares LFD to when he ate Etherion. And Hades got up because he had his heart constantly supplying him with magic power. The moment he lost that he went down quick. And Jellal also didn't get put down immediately with df. He was about to hit Natsu with Abyss Break and didn't finish it only because Erza had injured him earlier. Even in the zero fight (you know that one where df is explicitly stated to be 2-3 times natsu's normal power) Natsu couldn't beat zero as soon as he used it. he needed to add the flame of emotion on top of it (and we all know how strong that is) to burn through Zero's magic. Btw I just went back and when natsu beat Zeref he wasn't even using df just fdk and flame of emotion.

Yes he can? Who can? Do what? This has nothing to do with what I said. It's all relative. The slayer attribute just makes it so that the entity can actually be hurt or it gives resistance and a extra effectiveness to the entity. It's not solely about a power boost. If what you were saying about dragon force was actually true then regardless of slayer advantage Natsu would have done more damage to mard geer but that wasn't the case. I really don't see why you think a 2-3 x power boost is the be all end all of power ups.

"But it won't happen and Natsu will continue to tiers ahead of Gray" Who died and made you mashima? Literally anything can happen in the story and I was just speculating. And if mashima can give Lisanna two new forms he can give gray a power up. Just a matter of when.

Dude like @Axiomus said, that was Laxus' MP, Natsu on his own can't compare.

You aren't reading what I'm saying so I don't really care about the slayer thing.

OK buddy when it happens then please @me. If anything, Mashima will give Gray the ability to be a little closer to Natsu (like he did with Tartaros) but not completely equal.

In the end I'm still right about Natsu being far stronger than Gray

 

[WoWfan]

Gray is already close to Natsu at his peak form

 

[Ramen]

I said that was base natsu tho........

He wasn't even talking about you......

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Gray is already close to Natsu at his peak form

No he's not. The Gray that fought END is not close to the Natsu that fought FH Zeref.