Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Axiomus]

They still don't abandon their task and still have chances, so?

I did not see any proves it could kill Natsu. Actually.

But i see result - anyone form team Natsu (who were tired after DE) received serious damage.

They literally retreated and are planning to leave the task to stronger people. >.<

What exactly do you think would have happened had Ignia not showed up? Gray couldn't freeze the whirlpool, Natsu was helpless on his own, and the rest of the team couldn't even get close to Mercphobia. Natsu would have eventually drowned.

Your argument is that Nebal > Mercphobia because Nebal was beating up Wendy. I'm not even sure how argue against this. Mainly because I think just writing it out is sufficient enough to show how silly it is.

 

[Verter]

They literally retreated and are planning to leave the task to strong people. >.<

They literally said "there're others DG [for them]" and pass task for another squad of DE.
If another sq of DE would be able to slay DG, how it will suit your words ?

What exactly do you think would have happened had Ignia not showed up? Gray couldn't freeze the whirlpool, Natsu was helpless on his own, and the rest of the team couldn't even get close to Mercphobia. Natsu would have eventually drowned.

If your argument is that Nebal > Mercphobia.....Lol. OK.

You forget how "powerless" Lucy was... joke.
And? I did not see anyone on verge of death, I did not see anyone with grievously wounds. We talk about same manga?

With Erza vs Laxus I saw what their powers are capable. Merc one... what it can do ? Turn to fishies? He's from circus? (joke again).
His "fight" actually was total disappointment,

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Your argument is that Nebal > Mercphobia

My argument - "Merc is on Acno level" just mere words. Because he literally did not show anything to be at least closer to Acno level.

 

[Axiomus]

They literally said "there're others DG [for them]" and pass task for another squad of DE.
If another sq of DE would be able to slay DG, how it will suit your words ?



You forget how "powerless" Lucy was... joke.
And? I did not see anyone on verge of death, I did not see anyone with grievously wounds. We talk about same manga?

With Erza vs Laxus I saw what their powers are capable. Merc one... what it can do ? Turn to fishies? He's from circus? (joke again).
His "fight" actually was total disappointment,

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My argument - "Merc is on Acno level" just mere words. Because he literally did not show anything to be at least closer to Acno level.

If the Black DS Knights end up defeating a God Dragon, then that means the Black DS Knights are stronger than the God Dragons. It does not mean Nebal is stronger than Mercphobia. But this hasn't happened, so it's completely irrelevant. This was team Natsu's reaction when Natsu got sucked up. It's pretty obvious they thought Natsu was going to die... and he would have, if not for Ignia.

Mercphobia can be at half of Acnologia's level, and he would still be stronger than Irene. The entire Alvarez Empire is below Acnologia's level. Irene is at best just 1/3rd of the Alvarez Empire in power.

 

[WoWfan]

They will likely just end up fighting FT, that is usually how this ends up

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Irene still managed to push back and impress even Acno, the same dragon who was pushed back by Jellal and who’s attack was stopped when intending to kill Wendy

 

[Verter]

Irrelevant.

Wendy fear of Nebal and her shocking words about his "power" was actually stronger then her emotions on Acnologia appearance and his magic power.

So, with same logic you want to say Nebal > Acno ? Take a note - it's according with your logic (not mine)

P.S. Still did not see any "overwhelming" outcome outside mere words and empty emotions.

Irene at least with one casual hit broke all exclude one of Erza bones. It was feat.

 

[GL_Nova]

Big difference between Hades and August

I mean, if you mean Hades is first gen FT, and August is second yes. If you mean he’s the most impressive old Wizard so far. Let’s chill till Elefseria and Raizen finish flexing.

 

[grey matter]

My argument - "Merc is on Acno level" just mere words. Because he literally did not show anything to be at least closer to Acno level.

Sure. I don't really buy into the hype of DG being Acno tier either.

But Merc's feats speak for itself.

Merc literally no sold Natsu's secret arts, and was about to kill him before Ignia showed up. All the while being nerfed to < 50% of his actual power the entire fight, due to WW control.
None of the team Natsu's attacks, imbued by DS magic, even scratched Merc.

While broken bones Erza in Alverez one shotted Dragon Eileen.

Full team Natsu (current) >> Current Erza > Alverez Erza.
nerfed Merc >>>>>> Eileen

This is purely from feats.

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If the Black DS Knights end up defeating a God Dragon, then that means the Black DS Knights are stronger than the God Dragons. It does not mean Nebal is stronger than Mercphobia. But this hasn't happened, so it's completely irrelevant. This was team Natsu's reaction when Natsu got sucked up. It's pretty obvious they thought Natsu was going to die... and he would have, if not for Ignia.

Mercphobia can be at half of Acnologia's level, and he would still be stronger than Irene. The entire Alvarez Empire is below Acnologia's level. Irene is at best just 1/3rd of the Alvarez Empire in power.

1/3rd Acno isn't getting one shotted out of dragon form by broken bones Erza.
You're being extremely generous here lmao. Even 5% Acno would be really generous

 

[Axiomus]

1/3rd Acno isn't getting one shotted out of dragon form by broken bones Erza.
You're being extremely generous here lmao. Even 5% Acno would be really generous

Obviously. Acnologia isn't just stronger than the Alvarez Empire, he's also stronger than Ishgal on top of that. Irene probably doesn't make up a whole third of the Alvarez Empire's power either.

Irrelevant.

Wendy fear of Nebal and her shocking words about his "power" was actually stronger then her emotions on Acnologia appearance and his magic power.

So, with same logic you want to say Nebal > Acno ? Take a note - it's according with your logic (not mine)

P.S. Still did not see any "overwhelming" outcome outside mere words and empty emotions.

Irene at least with one casual hit broke all exclude one of Erza bones. It was feat.

How is it irrelevant? The members of the team were clearly helpless despite having every reason to try and save Natsu. If Natsu couldn't escape the whirlpool on his own and the rest of the team can only stare in horror, then Natsu was going to die. Mind you, Mercphobia wasn't even taking them seriously and wasn't even using half his strength. Casually killing Natsu without even using half your strength > Getting your meteor smashed and your dragon form defeated by a crippled Erza.

Nobody is saying Nebal is stronger than Acnoloiga. You are the one saying Nebal is stronger than Mercphobia. Wendy wasn't crying because she was afraid of Nebal. She was crying because she thought she was strong but she wasn't. She falsely believed that she was strong because she was surrounded by strong people. This has nothing to do with power scaling. What is relevant to power scaling is the fact that Wendy does not believe the team could win against Mercphobia. By the way Wendy would have known about Irene's power the whole time she was fighting Mercphobia, so her statement about being unable to win would have factored that in.

 

[Ramen]

I mean, if you mean Hades is first gen FT, and August is second yes. If you mean he’s the most impressive old Wizard so far. Let’s chill till Elefseria and Raizen finish flexing.

Um Ok? Doesn't change the fact that August was a bigger threat Hades ever was.

 

[sharkai]

Nah. Dragon Eileen was knocked out of dragon form by a single attack from broken bones Erza.

Maybe it's because slayer magic gives a boost to damage output?
In pure power, I agree.

thats pof erza
who five seconds before that overpowered irene top tier move. no one beside pof natsu has feats comparable to overpowering august or irene top tier move.

that erza also being in the moment blew rot aconolgia out of the sky. i dont think in anyway mishma was trying to show how weak irene or how pushover aconologia was here

slayer magic gives a boost to damage output
but dont dragon also use dragon slayer magic. this really doesnt compute. dragon slayer advantage over dragon means any dragon will have even bigger advantage against dragons

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If Irene is indeed purposely transforming back into her human form, then it's most likely because she has a massive cut on her neck and doesn't want to bleed out. Not because she thought Erza was done and was taking her lightly.



You mean break his bones? Maybe. Irene can maybe break all of Natsu's bones like she did to Erza. But Natsu would be able to blast a hole in Irene the same way he vaporized Zeref's body. It would still be a better trade for Natsu.

Not all dragons are equal. When Natsu uses dragon force, he takes on some of the physical attributes of Igneel. At a certain percentage of Igneel's strength, you start becoming stronger than dragons weaker than Igneel.

i dont think igneel has specal body or something, he just powerful. df natsu just gets a power boost. he a shouldnt jump into igneel tier

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DF Natsu >>>> IgNatsu


IgNatsu is overwanked.

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nah, she purposely transformed back to her human form for some reason

either she is dumb asf or she was knocked out.

obviously it's the latter.

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well Acno was killing them without going DF and Dragon form.

acno is alot stronger
and has a sh1tty hax

 

[Axiomus]

i dont think igneel has specal body or something, he just powerful. df natsu just gets a power boost. he a shouldnt jump into igneel tier

Igneel pretty much around Acnologia's level in physical strength. Like just under him.

 

[grey matter]

thats pof erza
who five seconds before that overpowered irene top tier move. no one beside pof natsu has feats comparable to overpowering august or irene top tier move.

that erza also being in the moment blew rot aconolgia out of the sky. i dont think in anyway mishma was trying to show how weak irene or how pushover aconologia was here

slayer magic gives a boost to damage output
but dont dragon also use dragon slayer magic. this really doesnt compute. dragon slayer advantage over dragon means any dragon will have even bigger advantage against dragons

POF isn't quite quantifiable, but I don't think it boosts more than actual power ups like LFD, Dragon flame mode, DF etc.


Demon slaying magic is demon magic as well, yet it's super effective.
All Gray's DS attacks are named : ice devil's [insert name]
It's just mashima things LMAO, apparently humans using other species magic makes it super effective on them
Logically I kinda agree with you

 

[sharkai]

Sure. I don't really buy into the hype of DG being Acno tier either.

But Merc's feats speak for itself.

Merc literally no sold Natsu's secret arts, and was about to kill him before Ignia showed up. All the while being nerfed to < 50% of his actual power the entire fight, due to WW control.
None of the team Natsu's attacks, imbued by DS magic, even scratched Merc.

While broken bones Erza in Alverez one shotted Dragon Eileen.

Full team Natsu (current) >> Current Erza > Alverez Erza.
nerfed Merc >>>>>> Eileen

This is purely from feats.

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1/3rd Acno isn't getting one shotted out of dragon form by broken bones Erza.
You're being extremely generous here lmao. Even 5% Acno would be really generous

Obviously. Acnologia isn't just stronger than the Alvarez Empire, he's also stronger than Ishgal on top of that. Irene probably doesn't make up a whole third of the Alvarez Empire's power either.



How is it irrelevant? The members of the team were clearly helpless despite having every reason to try and save Natsu. If Natsu couldn't escape the whirlpool on his own and the rest of the team can only stare in horror, then Natsu was going to die. Mind you, Mercphobia wasn't even taking them seriously and wasn't even using half his strength. Casually killing Natsu without even using half your strength > Getting your meteor smashed and your dragon form defeated by a crippled Erza.

Nobody is saying Nebal is stronger than Acnoloiga. You are the one saying Nebal is stronger than Mercphobia. Wendy wasn't crying because she was afraid of Nebal. She was crying because she thought she was strong but she wasn't. She falsely believed that she was strong because she was surrounded by strong people. This has nothing to do with power scaling. What is relevant to power scaling is the fact that Wendy does not believe the team could win against Mercphobia. By the way Wendy would have known about Irene's power the whole time she was fighting Mercphobia, so her statement about being unable to win would have factored that in.

i dont think he is saying nebal>merc
he is just saying merc feats are nowhere near aconologia, or maybe even dragon irene, whose attack power was pretty high
and i dont think he is saying irene>merc. just merc didnt show anything impressive

Full team Natsu (current) >> Current Erza > Alverez Erza.
nerfed Merc >>>>>> Eileen
not all of this is fact
merc most likely is >>>Eileen
current erza>alverzec erza (fact)
but alverzec pof erza (whom you call crippled erza)>>current erza

full team natsu werent really trying that hard (for plot reason). i mean erza belserion sword and fire and ice sword are missing. gray mostl likely will also show some new moves soon

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POF isn't quite quantifiable, but I don't think it boosts more than actual power ups like LFD, Dragon flame mode, DF etc.


Demon slaying magic is demon magic as well, yet it's super effective.
All Gray's DS attacks are named : ice devil's [insert name]
It's just mashima things LMAO, apparently humans using other species magic makes it super effective on them
Logically I kinda agree with you

pof isnt quantifiable sure, but what erza did is. irene and august are in the same tier. their top tier move would be around deus sema. crippled erza wrecked that.

dudes its mishma
do you honestly think, in mishma world
nakama power being below LFDTBS mode

 

[Axiomus]

i dont think he is saying nebal>merc

Yes he is. Read back a few pages, and you'll see him claiming that Kyria is stronger than Merc, and that Nebal is stronger than Kyria.

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dragonized Nebal >>> dragon eaters.

Well, we remember Wendy roars vs dragon eaters team, Merc and "venom"-Nebal. As well as results of these hits,

With that logic dragonized Nebal > dragon eaters trio > Merc.

 

[sharkai]

Igneel pretty much around Acnologia's level in physical strength. Like just under him.

thats how powerful he is. he gained that power somehow, his body physical strength increase with mp (just like anyone else). same should happen with everyone else. df natsu strength should be around his own power level not on on igneel level

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Yes he is. Read back a few pages, and you'll see him claiming that Kyria is stronger than Merc, and that Nebal is stronger than Kyria.

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he is trying to make a point. merc feats are sh!t thats all.

 

[Axiomus]

thats how powerful he is. he gained that power somehow, his body physical strength increase with mp (just like anyone else). same should happen with everyone else. df natsu strength should be around his own power level not on on igneel level

he is trying to make a point. merc feats are sh!t thats all.

MP is just part of the equation. Acnologia is physically stronger in his dragon form than in their human form, despite having the same amount of MP. Same with Irene. The change in strength comes with their biology as dragons. Dragon Force doesn't put Natsu on Igneel's level. It does, however, dragonize Natsu's body to resemble Igneel's body. The more Natsu dragonizes, the closer he is to Igneel's level in physical strength.

He literally argued that Nebal is stronger than Merc over multiple posts. Mercphobia's feats aren't terrible anyways. He lifted an ocean, tanked everyone's attacks despite the slayer advantage, and almost killed Natsu.

 

[sharkai]

MP is just part of the equation. Acnologia is physically stronger in his dragon form than in their human form, despite having the same amount of MP. Same with Irene. The change in strength comes with their biology as dragons. Dragon Force doesn't put Natsu on Igneel's level. It does, however, dragonize Natsu's body to resemble Igneel's body. The more Natsu dragonizes, the closer he is to Igneel's level in physical strength.

He literally argued that Nebal is stronger than Merc over multiple posts. Mercphobia's feats aren't terrible anyways. He lifted an ocean, tanked everyone's attacks despite the slayer advantage, and almost killed Natsu.

i dont think dragonize natsu starts to resemble igneel body in term of strength. basically my point is igneel body isnt anything special without the power. its just normal dragon body amped with alot of power. dragonize natsu should have normal dragon body, unless natsu power becomes equal to igneel


no, i think he meant to show merc feats only. lifting somepart of the sea is springgan level maybe. everyone attacks werent that strong (according to their own standard, think ajeel vs team A), i dont think slayer advantage is that high (irene example is brought up only to downgrade erza)

 

[Axiomus]

i dont think dragonize natsu starts to resemble igneel body in term of strength. basically my point is igneel body isnt anything special without the power. its just normal dragon body amped with alot of power. dragonize natsu should have normal dragon body, unless natsu power becomes equal to igneel


no, i think he meant to show merc feats only. lifting somepart of the sea is springgan level maybe. everyone attacks werent that strong (according to their own standard, think ajeel vs team A), i dont think slayer advantage is that high (irene example is brought up only to downgrade erza)

Like I said, MP is just part of the equation. Acnologia has greater physical strength with his dragon form than in his human form, despite both forms having the exact same amount of MP. Igneel gave Natsu his magic power, but it didn't boost Natsu's physical strength to his level. I'm not saying DF Natsu is Igneel tier btw. I'm saying he inherits a certain percentage of Igneel's strength based on how much he dragonizes, and how much he dragonizes is based on how much magic power he has.

It's pretty obvious that Verter was arguing that Nebal was stronger than Merc. In fact, he was looking for any excuse to downplay Merc. Mercphobia's powers were so great that he was flooding the city every day on accident. He was doing this without even trying, so this is far beyond what any Spriggan is capable of. Mercphobia was no-selling multiple FDK spells. This is better than the attacks used against Ajeel, and honestly an FDK spell probably would have defeated Ajeel. Slayer advantage isn't insignificant.

 

[sharkai]

Like I said, MP is just part of the equation. Acnologia has greater physical strength with his dragon form than in his human form, despite both forms having the exact same amount of MP. Igneel gave Natsu his magic power, but it didn't boost Natsu's physical strength to his level. I'm not saying DF Natsu is Igneel tier btw. I'm saying he inherits a certain percentage of Igneel's strength based on how much he dragonizes, and how much he dragonizes is based on how much magic power he has.

It's pretty obvious that Verter was arguing that Nebal was stronger than Merc. In fact, he was looking for any excuse to downplay Merc. Mercphobia's powers were so great that he was flooding the city every day on accident. He was doing this without even trying, so this is far beyond what any Spriggan is capable of. Mercphobia was no-selling multiple FDK spells. This is better than the attacks used against Ajeel, and honestly an FDK spell probably would have defeated Ajeel. Slayer advantage isn't insignificant.

aconologia human wont have strength of aconologia dragon, so aconologia mp plus dragon body.
same for natsu.
i just dont see anything special in igneel strength that you know, natsu can inherit

you should ask @Verter to clear your doubts, maybe i am wrong

springgan are country level, sooo
ajeel easily took start of arc hits from team A. team A however had stronger attacks which they did not use
merc did the same. Team A might have stronger attacks which they didnt use here, we clearly saw lucy, wendy and erza had stronger attacks which they did not use, same maybe for natsu and gray
The fight just didnt show aconolgia tier enemy. that is all

i dont think its insignificant, but i dont think its that much either. equal dragons can endure each other attacks. they shouldnt get one shot by weaker dragon (dragon use dragon slayer magic too)

 

[Axiomus]

aconologia human wont have strength of aconologia dragon, so aconologia mp plus dragon body.
same for natsu.
i just dont see anything special in igneel strength that you know, natsu can inherit

you should ask @Verter to clear your doubts, maybe i am wrong

springgan are country level, sooo
ajeel easily took start of arc hits from team A. team A however had stronger attacks which they did not use
merc did the same. Team A might have stronger attacks which they didnt use here, we clearly saw lucy, wendy and erza had stronger attacks which they did not use, same maybe for natsu and gray
The fight just didnt show aconolgia tier enemy. that is all

i dont think its insignificant, but i dont think its that much either. equal dragons can endure each other attacks. they shouldnt get one shot by weaker dragon (dragon use dragon slayer magic too)

Exactly. Acnologia has greater physical strength as a dragon than as a human, despite having equal amounts of MP. Igneel has physical strength pretty much on par with Acnologia. Natsu is literally gaining aspects of a dragon when he uses dragon force, and the dragon he takes after is Igneel. Why would he not inherit Igneel's physical strength if he's physically becoming more like Igneel?

If you want to say the Spriggans are country level based on hype, then you might as well take Mercphobia's hype of being on Acnologia's level at face value. That would make him stronger than all the Spriggans, plus Zeref. Anyways, none of the Spriggans can casually flood a city because their power was too great to contain. Stuff like Sand World is already a high-level move for them. Mercphobia wasn't even fighting seriously when he lifted the ocean.

I'm actually not too terribly concerned with how DF Natsu stacks up against Irene, or whatever it is you're trying to argue with Mercphobia here. The bottom line here is that Ignia with just one attack is able to make Natsu strong enough to defeat Mercphobia. Natsu wiped out all of Mercphobia's magic power for the foreseeable future, and would have kept going if Lucy hadn't stopped him. Unless Irene is much stronger than Mercphobia, and would beat Natsu with Ignia's flames where Mercphobia failed, then Ignia himself would oneshot Irene with the attack he used to feed Natsu.

@Verter said what he said. If he meant something else, he should have said something else.