Discussion Alvarez vs. Igneel

[Vis]

In an alternate reality where Igneel beat Acnologia in Tartaros and stayed alive until Alvarez, could they have beaten Igneel in Acnologia's place, like they believed they could with Fairy Heart?

- Zeref has Fairy Heart and is commanding his million-man army.
- Assume Irene can give dragon slaying seals to every single Spriggan who don't have access to such magic.
- All subordinates are also present.
- Takes place in Magnolia.​

 

[Static]

Even if they all had DS seals, they wouldn't beat Acnologia. And they aren't beating Igneel.

 

[LaGOAT]

Prime igneeel? Oh stomps

 

[grey matter]

With FH, Alverez wins. Igneel came eat etherion, Alverez uses fh to fire countless etherion to defeat Igneel.

Without FH, Igneel no diff

 

[Sevently]

With FH, Alvarez destroy Igneel

 

[Ramen]

Alverez uses fh to fire countless etherion to defeat Igneel.

He can just dodge it. Plus who fires it if he can easily fly over and destroy it. and/or the people firing it.

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It comes down to Zeref since Igneel stomps all S12 and the enitre army plus subordinates.

FH Zeref lost base Natsu with FoE, Igneel can easily burn the FH too.

Igneel wins relatively easily.

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With FH, Alvarez destroy Igneel

Lmao what? Relax

 

[LaGOAT]

Ingeel blitz every1

 

[grey matter]

He can just dodge it. Plus who fires it if he can easily fly over and destroy it. and/or the people firing it.

Etherions are country level, he's not dodging all of them

It comes down to Zeref since Igneel stomps all S12 and the enitre army plus subordinates.

FH Zeref lost base Natsu with FoE, Igneel can easily burn the FH too.

Igneel wins relatively easily.

Yeah, every Spriggan gets one shot, and it comes to FH Zeref vs Igneel. That's enough. Zeref fires a 100 etherion to defeat Igneel.

FH Zeref couldn't still be killed though. All he needs to do is fire etherions instead of actually fighting. Zeref can also possibly cast Fairy Sphere with infinite supply of magic power (the legendary Fairy spells came from Zeref after all) to immobilize Igneel, and then fire etherion.

FH on an immortal is broken.

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Ingeel blitz every1

Yea, but blitzing Zeref doesn't get him anything. Zeref is immortal

 

[Ramen]

Etherions are country level, he's not dodging all of them


Yeah, every Spriggan gets one shot, and it comes to FH Zeref vs Igneel. That's enough. Zeref fires a 100 etherion to defeat Igneel.

FH Zeref couldn't still be killed though. All he needs to do is fire etherions instead of actually fighting. Zeref can also possibly cast Fairy Sphere with infinite supply of magic power (the legendary Fairy spells came from Zeref after all) to immobilize Igneel, and then fire etherion.

FH on an immortal is broken.

Head canon alert. He's never fired 100 etherion like wut. Yes Igneel is much faster than dragons that esaily crossed Ishgar in seconds in seconds so dodging is acceptable.

He needs to trap him in order cast FS even if he can.

Either Igneel Ko's him over and over and/or burns him since his fire>>>>>>Natsu's

Not really in terms of an Acnologia level dragon

 

[grey matter]

Head canon alert. He's never fired 100 etherion like wut. Yes Igneel is much faster than dragons that esaily crossed Ishgar in seconds in seconds so dodging is acceptable.

He needs to trap him in order cast FS even if he can.

Either Igneel Ko's him over and over and/or burns him since his fire>>>>>>Natsu's

Not really in terms of an Acnologia level dragon

Not really headcanon, FH was hyped to be able to fire unlimited etherions. I've no reason to doubt that hype, not really debunked by feats.

Igneel can burn him over and over, but it's irrelevant since he'll keep coming back until Igneel gets tired. Zeref was gonna come back against Natsu anyway, but before that he died to Mavis' love or something. IT's acceptable that Acno can defeat or stalemate FH Zeref because Acno can eat magic and not get tired.

Yes, in terms of any dragon except possibly Acno. Acno only because he can eat anything, including etherion, to replenish his magic power.

 

[Ramen]

Not really headcanon, FH was hyped to be able to fire unlimited etherions. I've no reason to doubt that hype, not really debunked by feats.

Igneel can burn him over and over, but it's irrelevant since he'll keep coming back until Igneel gets tired. Zeref was gonna come back against Natsu anyway, but before that he died to Mavis' love or something. IT's acceptable that Acno can defeat or stalemate FH Zeref because Acno can eat magic and not get tired.

Yes, in terms of any dragon except possibly Acno. Acno only because he can eat anything, including etherion, to replenish his magic power.

It is because he didn't. What did he forget to fire them against FT? You can't use things that have never happened in fight.

Ok and what is Zeref gonna do? Igneel will instantly ko him until the end. Natsu's FoE burned space and time and one shot Zeref. Igneel's flames are so much hotter than FoE so one roar and Zeref is done. Zeref wasn't gonna come back, his FH couldn't help him rewind time and his healing wasn't working despite him saying he should.

Anyone that is stronger than FoE (DGS, Acno, Igneel) are stronger than FH Zeref.

FH is pure hype and the feats don't back up the hype. What we saw =/= what was hyped. It's like END. Igneel stomps FH Zeref.

 

[Cosmicstar]

Logically Alveraz should win. Irene could boost their power using Enchantment. Jacob could easily cloak them and Serena could easily spam Igneel with Dragon Slayer magic same with Irene of which both are dragon slayers. Also no reason that Nienheart while being can't use Historia to bring back a group of Dragons Historias and Irene or August or Zeref Enchant those boosting their power to destroy Igneel. Bloodman should also be able to use Franmarth curse to drain Igneel of power.

As long as Alveraz is being competent I don't see them losing.

 

[Ramen]

^^^

 

[Static]

With FH, Alverez wins. Igneel came eat etherion, Alverez uses fh to fire countless etherion to defeat Igneel.

Without FH, Igneel no diff

The prompt says that Zeref has Fairy Heart, not that they're using FH to infinitely spam Etherion.

 

[Axiomus]

Wait are we saying that this version of Igneel is stronger than Acnologia? If so, then that settles the debate right there.

My estimate for how powerful Igneel was at his prime is basically Ignia. Ignia's flames can burn Natsu's hands, and that's a good indicator that it's probably hot enough to burn Fairy Heart. Zeref noted that time was burning a few seconds before his own hands started to burn, telling us that the temperatures required to burn his hands are just as high as those required to burn time. I honestly believe that Natsu with Ignia's flames would beat FH Zeref. I suppose you can argue that Igneel's magic power didn't make flames hot enough to burn Natsu's hands, but keep in mind that the power in Natsu's arm was only the leftovers after Igneel's fight with Acnologia.

Anyways, if Alvarez doesn't have Fairy Heart then Igneel stomps. Keep in mind that Acnologia wasn't just stronger than Alvarez Empire. He was stronger than humanity as a whole. Jacob can make everyone invisible, but Igneel can just drop a roar in their general area and hit them anyways. The historia of God Serena was weaker than original and oneshotted by Gildarts, so the chances of Neinhart bringing any historia that would pose a threat to Igneel is zero. Irene and God Serena being dragon slayers also doesn't really matter. Acnologia is way stronger as a dragon slayer than both of them combined, even factoring in enchantment.

 

[grey matter]

The prompt says that Zeref has Fairy Heart, not that they're using FH to infinitely spam Etherion.

Zeref uses FH to power up etherions

 

[Fyron]

FH can defeat Igneel if it is used properly. But the fact is , Zeref is a dumbass and he doesn't use it the way it should be used. Instead of connecting it to power up Fairy Sphere , he doesn't connect it to anything which results in his "Fairy Heart" form being at the same level as his base form. I'm not giving him the benefit of doubt that he will somehow gain the common sense to use it properly in this battle. Blame it on Mashima's stupid writing , but that's how it is. Intelligence is also a factor in battles. The fact that Mashima is willing to nerf FH in a stupid fashion so that Acno should be the final boss clearly tells us the author's intent at who's supposed to be more powerful.

 

[Eisenfaust]

People still don't understand it, FH is totally useless in a battle against Igneel or even Acnologia. The point of FH was overall for Zeref to travel into the past to kill weak Acnologia probably as Kid.
FH was never a powerup for Zeref to fight equal of Acnologia, he still don't want fight him, the gap was still to large even with FH.

Little power of Igneel give Natsu enough magic power to almost take out Base Zeref. Imagine Igneel with in his prime and strong stats, he gonna smack both versions of Zeref.

Igneel take this.

 

[Crimson Ice]

This version of Igneel is stronger than Acnologia...he immediately destroys anyone not named Zeref or August. Igneel wins med-dif.

 

[Ramen]

Zeref uses FH to power up etherions

Dude stop saying that when he's not going to do that. He didn't use it on FT so now he's doing to use it on Igneel?