One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[M3J]

Shasha is a lot like Hannibal but worse, I'd say. Ignoring him seems to be better than dealing with his toxicity, at least Hannibal didn't spam exclamation marks when ironically insulting.

In any case, when it comes to Mihawk, Shanks, and etc, it's all unknown. Mihawk stopped fighting Shanks because Shanks lost an arm, and Mihawk didn't think it honorable to keep fighting him. But we know Mihawk's extremely strong because Zoro and Luffy were useless against him. We can also surmise Shanks is extremely strong because he's an Emperor, and Blackbeard chose to retreat only after Shanks arrived. I think it's also safe to say Akainu is immensely strong as well since Blackbeard chose to retreat when he had no problem taking on the Marine and possibly the remnants of Whitebeard crew at Marineford.

 

[thedude]

The problem isn't Oda making Sanji useless, there's no way he would, but the doofuses on here being annoying and trolling people with that and using debunked arguments. Zoro and Sanji haven't had actual fights where they could show off what they were capable of, I think apart from Luffy Jinbei and Franky were the only other ones who had decent challenges (Jinbei in Big Mom). Wano is our main hope since there'll be overwhelming number of powerful fighters they'll have to fight.

Right, Franky did have his moment during Punk Hazard, and then his great fight vs Senor Pink (which I'm not sure improved him any, but at least it was a hard fought battle!).

And I don't think Oda would do that to any of the Straw Hats, nerf them or ignore them. I mean, he just wrote an entire arc about Sanji's family, and people here troll acting like his future is in the kitchen only, leave the fights to the strong guys. It was dumb, and I really wonder how much his detractors really believe their own rhetoric.

 

[M3J]

I don't think it added to Franky other than his image to the readers. It was entertaining though, with the wrestling moves and all.

Especially when Sanji saved the crew and the ship with his cake, but all they can troll with is "cake baker."

 

[Luke Beifong]

His title like that of Whitebeard and Kaido are that they are the absolute strongest in their field, the funny thing is people don't go around saying someone was stronger than Whitebeard or that Kiado is not the strongest creature, but when it comes to Mihawk people get upset that he is the strongest only because they hate the fact that Mihawk is stronger than Shanks, I'm not saying your one of those people but 98% of the people who downplay Mihawk hate the fact he is stronger than Shanks and come up with all these ridiculous statements to downplay Mihawk.

I say WB and Kaido aren’t the strongest in the world only because of their titles.

WB is the Strongest Man in the world but never beats Roger (I go as far as saying he can’t win a fight against Garp or Sengoku either, I see all of them as equals in power and a winner in their fight only can be determined by other circumstances or luck).

Kaido is the Strongest Creature but don’t want to fight BM, is stoped by Shanks (we don’t know in they fight or not, I know this, but if BM want a giant army to fight Shanks, Kaido is not crazy to fight him for nothing), is slashed by a samurai with strong Haki and is said in his intro he has been caught and tortured 18 times, and people as powerful as the Marines and other Yonko have attempted to execute him 40 times. To be caught, tortured and suffer a execute attempt, in my opinion, you need to be defeated or at least, be beaten at some degree.

Mihawk is the World Strongest Swordsman but he never fought every single one of them (he says he never fought Vista before, he never fight Yonko Shanks, I doubt he ever fight BM, Raylight). People can think what they want but for me, there’s no way for Mihawk to be stronger than Shanks. They don’t fight for almost a decade and almost a decade before their last fight, Shanks became a Yonko. In Gorosei speech about who can fight against BB, I don’t hear Mihank’s name, only Shanks and other crazy strong dudes. And just for remember, in that time, the shichibukais are working for the government.

In my opinion, the title of Strongest have more in common with a characteristic (WB is crazy strong and having a DF that grants him a power to effective destroy the world, Kaido insanely durability, Mihawk mastery with a sword) than been effectively the Strongest individuals around there. If that’s the case, Mihawk is stronger than Roger, WB can obliterate Roger and his the Roger Pirates in their fight and Kaido can pass through Shanks easily, arrive in MF and kill every one there (don’t ask me what happens when he meets Mihawk...).

 

[Fox666]

Oda has some serious issues micro-managing everything going on in part 2.

When was the last time Sanji had a full fight, against Wadatsumi? I think Hell Memories was supposed to be his new finisher move, but he never used it again.

And it has been over 300 chapters since Fishman Island, that's 1/3 of the whole story. That's bizarre.

Another example of this is how he spend 1 year building up every battle in Dressrosa arc, but all of them were off-panel and concluded in a few pages.

And Zoro is not much better. All of his battles were easy (Hyouzou, Monet, Pika). And something important like what does a black blade means only got a few panels.

 

[hokageji]

He wanted to measure himself against Whitebard...but like, not at full power or anything, that would be silly!

yea, but to argue haki's absence only because Jozu could deflect it is as silly... might have not been at full power, but it wasnt an ineffective attack surely, like what he did in east blue. If he wants to test the strength of the strongest man in the world, using half strong attack is also lame...

 

[Rmstorm]

Oda has some serious issues micro-managing everything going on in part 2.

When was the last time Sanji had a full fight, against Wadatsumi? I think Hell Memories was supposed to be his new finisher move, but he never used it again.

And it has been over 300 chapters since Fishman Island, that's 1/3 of the whole story. That's bizarre.

Another example of this is how he spend 1 year building up every battle in Dressrosa arc, but all of them were off-panel and concluded in a few pages.

And Zoro is not much better. All of his battles were easy (Hyouzou, Monet, Pika). And something important like what does a black blade means only got a few panels.

The Luffy Cracker fight was also usless. A waste of panel time, Luffy not even using Snakeman blow through all of Cracker's biscuits or King King Gun. The guy was playing around in the Cracker fight. Cracker could have been given to Sanji to fight. What a waste.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

Forget Kaido. Right now the strongest creature in the world is a virus, Covid-19. Certainly above Yonko and PK level.

 

[nik87]

The Luffy Cracker fight was also usless. A waste of panel time, Luffy not even using Snakeman blow through all of Cracker's biscuits or King King Gun. The guy was playing around in the Cracker fight. Cracker could have been given to Sanji to fight. What a waste.

Snakeman stands no chance vs Cracker when Boundman with far greater AP needed 2 hits for each biscuit...
KKG could have worked perhaps but perhaps not considering how many doubles were in the way.
Cracker countered him completely, without Nami, there was no chance for victory. Match-ups matter.

 

[thedude]

yea, but to argue haki's absence only because Jozu could deflect it is as silly... might have not been at full power, but it wasnt an ineffective attack surely, like what he did in east blue. If he wants to test the strength of the strongest man in the world, using half strong attack is also lame...

i was being sarcastic! Lol, i agree with you!

 

[thedude]

Oda has some serious issues micro-managing everything going on in part 2.

When was the last time Sanji had a full fight, against Wadatsumi? I think Hell Memories was supposed to be his new finisher move, but he never used it again.

And it has been over 300 chapters since Fishman Island, that's 1/3 of the whole story. That's bizarre.

Another example of this is how he spend 1 year building up every battle in Dressrosa arc, but all of them were off-panel and concluded in a few pages.

And Zoro is not much better. All of his battles were easy (Hyouzou, Monet, Pika). And something important like what does a black blade means only got a few panels.

I'd argue Wadatsumi wasn't even a real full fight. Jinbe joined in, and it was more of a joke fight than anything. Sanji hasn't had a real fight since Thriller Bark...

 

[King Moe]

I'd argue Wadatsumi wasn't even a real full fight. Jinbe joined in, and it was more of a joke fight than anything. Sanji hasn't had a real fight since Thriller Bark...

Still Sanji did most of the easy work of him. Plus if so then Zoro never truly defeat Pica on his own since Elizabetho and Ormbulus help him out too. Both honestly haven't gotten full 1 vs 1 and serious fight since pre-timeskip thinking on it. Wano though looks to deliver on something big Strawhats though as might be Enies Lobby of NW.

 

[thedude]

Still Sanji did most of the easy work of him. Plus if so then Zoro never truly defeat Pica on his own since Elizabetho and Ormbulus help him out too. Both honestly haven't gotten full 1 vs 1 and serious fight since pre-timeskip thinking on it. Wano though looks to deliver on something big Strawhats though as might be Enies Lobby of NW.

I disagree on Zoro vs Pica, i just think the fight was nothing because Pica wasn't actually that strong, he just seemed to be able to move around quickly. It wasn't a real challenge.

I hope that Wano does deliver for all SH's. Enies Lobby was so long ago, and that's the real last time they all had their own battles.

 

[nik87]

Fight with Pica "seemed nothing" only because of Zoro's ridiculously high DC stat and effective combat style.
It would have been an incredibly harder fight for anyone else not named Fujitora because I doubt anyone else, present in DR would have managed to corner Pica's real body.

 

[Pirate Queen]

I disagree on Zoro vs Pica, i just think the fight was nothing because Pica wasn't actually that strong, he just seemed to be able to move around quickly. It wasn't a real challenge.

I hope that Wano does deliver for all SH's. Enies Lobby was so long ago, and that's the real last time they all had their own battles.

Exactly 1 kong gun would have destroyed the Pika golem with Pika inside of it and Luffy wouldn't have needed to be thrown like Zoro was.

You could even argue Gear 3rd would be enough. 1 elephant gatling would 0 diff Pika.

I think any of the top 4 strongest SH's could have dealt with Pika in their own unique way.

High attack power was all that was needed because Pika was such a coward. He would have either run away or been defeated.

I am still of the opinion Vergo was stronger than Pika. I dont think anyone outside of Luffy could have defeated him easily. Zoro And Sanji could after a tough fight

 

[Fox666]

Here's the fact: For Mihawk to be as strong as Shasha is saying, he'd have done much more in the Marine Ford battle.

Yeah, that's what I think too. During the war, Mihawk did not appear stronger than the other Shichibukai.

Maybe he could be stronger, but so far he did not show anything like that.

 

[thedude]

Exactly 1 kong gun would have destroyed the Pika golem with Pika inside of it and Luffy wouldn't have needed to be thrown like Zoro was.

You could even argue Gear 3rd would be enough. 1 elephant gatling would 0 diff Pika.

I think any of the top 4 strongest SH's could have dealt with Pika in their own unique way.

High attack power was all that was needed because Pika was such a coward. He would have either run away or been defeated.

I am still of the opinion Vergo was stronger than Pika. I dont think anyone outside of Luffy could have defeated him easily. Zoro And Sanji could after a tough fight

Right, I think Vergo was the strongest crew member by far, Diamante second due to his power. Pica was a great power, but the guy beneath it was trash so it didn't matter.

 

[thedude]

Yeah, that's what I think too. During the war, Mihawk did not appear stronger than the other Shichibukai.

Maybe he could be stronger, but so far he did not show anything like that.

I think the Shichibukai are all fairly strong, Mihawk and Doflamingo and Kuma the top tier, and all would be Yonko commander level, probably even stronger than the ones we've seen, or close to it. But putting them at Yonko level seems a bit much. Going obscene like Shasha and putting them above literally everyone is just comical and shows where the person is coming from (total fanboy).

 

[Fox666]

I think the Shichibukai are all fairly strong, Mihawk and Doflamingo and Kuma the top tier, and all would be Yonko commander level, probably even stronger than the ones we've seen, or close to it. But putting them at Yonko level seems a bit much. Going obscene like Shasha and putting them above literally everyone is just comical and shows where the person is coming from (total fanboy).

Fans are a bit weird when it comes to anything related to Zoro or Sanji

For some reason they think they can defeat a Yonko commander, that they are going to fight Kaido, etc

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Fans are a bit weird when it comes to anything related to Zoro or Sanji

For some reason they think they can defeat a Yonko commander, that they are going to fight Kaido, etc

I totally agree.

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