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How do you make the leap that if Oden isn't enough to beat Kaido, WB isnt?
Because that's what "If I cant beat him no one else can either" means.
 

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Because that's what "If I cant beat him no one else can either" means.
Didn't Kaido say WB was the only person capable of killing him?
 

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Didn't Kaido say WB was the only person capable of killing him?
Perhaps, dont know the exact meaning from the raws. Does that mean that he was weaker than WB? Because Ace novel confirms otherwise and backs up Oden's words... Zoro can kill Kaido too, Oden could kill Kaido too... Being able to kill Kaido doesnt necessarily mean that you will do it.
 

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Perhaps, dont know the exact meaning from the raws. Does that mean that he was weaker than WB? Because Ace novel confirms otherwise and backs up Oden's words... Zoro can kill Kaido too, Oden could kill Kaido too... Being able to kill Kaido doesnt necessarily mean that you will do it.
Didn't Kaido say WB was the only person capable of killing him?
It was a mistranslation. He was mad Whitebeard could die, while he could not because he's too strong
 

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Perhaps, dont know the exact meaning from the raws. Does that mean that he was weaker than WB? Because Ace novel confirms otherwise and backs up Oden's words... Zoro can kill Kaido too, Oden could kill Kaido too... Being able to kill Kaido doesnt necessarily mean that you will do it.
If this is the same Ace Novel that hasn't been translated, let's not use it please.

Zoro can kill Kaido based on what? Oden can kill Kaido based on what? Them having swords?

@Lexusflame fair enough, I thought that's why Kaido was mad because the only person capable of killing him died.

On Oden being the only one able to best Kaido... WB was clearly stronger than him, Garp, Sengoku and Kong were still about. BM was still about. Wano being closed off could simply mean Oden meant anyone in Wano at that point until the chosen one comes...
 

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If this is the same Ace Novel that hasn't been translated, let's not use it please.
Idk, the information I have gotten is next - Kaido is individually stronger than Whitebeard but as a Pirate, Whitebeard is stronger.
Zoro can kill Kaido based on what? Oden can kill Kaido based on what? Them having swords?
Based on that if they land clean hits their damage is enough to kill him. Iirc, the scar Oden left on Kaido's dragon form was huge, imagine that scar scaled on Kaido's humanoid form, he would be cut from head to toe...
On Oden being the only one able to best Kaido... WB was clearly stronger than him
We dont know if anyone was stronger than Oden, aside from Kaido. What he said is that if he cannot kill him, nobody else can either, pretty much says Oden>rest. The Oden that fought Kaido is not the Oden who clashed with Whitebeard because Oden who returned to Wano after his voyage was "triumphant and invincible, many times stronger than the Oden who left Wano".
 

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Yeah, no, I'm not taking your information on the Ace novels.

Yes, we did know people were stronger than Oden, WB and Roger were, their rivals were Garp and Sengoku but im sure it's a detail you'd gladly ignore. BM is a direct rival of Kaido and she didn't even flinch at entering his territory, but I'm sure Oden was stronger than her.

The fight between Kaido and Oden was pretty well decided. Kaido did not get OHKO even with such a wound, Oden was. It's not exactly a complicated debate.
 

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Neither Kiadou nor Oden was OHKO...They had a long drawn out fight. Oden eventually during that fight gained the opportunity to finish Kaidou off when he injured him, but was distracted and Kaidou capitalized on that opening and K.O Oden...
 

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Yeah, no, I'm not taking your information on the Ace novels.
I am not forcing you, I am just connecting what was already logical to me...
Knock yourself out:
-The novel start with a recap of Roger's legacy and the power structure in place ine the One Piece World at the time Ace reached Sabaody.
(Rivaille’s note: the second part start just after Ace defeat Draw).

-We have the reaction of WB to Ace refusing to be a Shishibukai
-Thatch was a the chief cook of the Moby Dick and he was able to do energy food like Sanji. To be clear the food Thatch gave to WB was an analeptic/nutitional stamina soup made of sea viper)
-It seems that Thatch and WB were close. Thatch was the one bringing WB is medecine
-So they reiterate that WB is the WSM but they add that he could destroy an entire island in a blink of an eye.
-WB’s have more than ten of thousands men under his command ( including crewmates ans allies)
-We learn that Sengoku highly appreciated Jinbe. Especially because Jinbe is the only one to answer to every shihsibukai's convocation
-The WG asked Ace to be a Shishibukai because the 7th place was vacant.
(Rivaille’s note: at that time Jinbe, Sir Crocrodile, Hancock, Doflamingo and Moria were already Shishibukai which means that it is either Mihawk or Kuma who were not a Shishibukai yet)

-At this time, WB was not ill yet, it is at least what Thatch said to Jinbe
(Rivaille's note: he might have been lying)

-It is reiterated that the Gorosei are under the Celestial dragons’ orders
-Ace explained that when he lose consciousness during his meal it is because the meal is too good
-WB was considered as a hero in Fishman island. The Fishmen trust him more than they trust the WG
-Apparently Neptune greatly help WB when the former was younger
-Deuces, Ace’s first mate, said: « The rulers reign, ones who accepted their rule survive, the weak who refuse lose everything and run back to paradise »
-Red Hair Shanks had several duels with Mihawk and every one of them have made the headlines. Furthermore, most of Shanks’ fame are from those duels. It is also said that he does not seek to become the PK
(Rivaille's note: to be clear, the sentence is: "When it comes to the héroic tales of Red Hair Shanks, what came to mind was/were his duel(s) withe the strongest swordman Mihawk". This seems to be more like Ace's thought).

-It is say that it's terrifying if you make Shanks angry.
-It is say that what makes Whitebeard’s angry is when you do not do your duty. There is nothing more important than honor to him and he'll never allow his sons to be killed.
-It is say that what make Big Mom dangerous is when she is in a bad mood. Big Mom's crew is compared to a mafia reigning over a country rather than a pirate crew protecting a territory.
-It is say that Kaido existence is horrific in itself. And that his crew are more a group of delinquent than a pirate crew
(Rivaille’s note : these depictions of the emperors are introduce as rumors)

-If WB and Big Mom are considered from the previous generation (because they were already powerful back then) while then Kaido and Shanks are from the generation after that
-WBP alone have over 1000 men
-For some people, because Shanks was on the Oro Jackson, they considered that he is the heir of Roger
(Rivaille’s note : they think that before Ace was reveal to be the son of Roger)

-On their territories the emperors had restaurants, casinos, trade, weapons trade, show business...
(Rivaille’s note : Basically, WB had the most men, the most territories and the a huge amount of revenus. So this explain Mrs Baggins' words about WB’s treasure)

-The value of using/paying for using a single flag of an emperor would be worth hundreds of millions or even more
-Shanks is the emperor that people have the most difficulty to locate
-Shanks won't hold back to outsiders.
- A random captain of a crew who tried to take Spade Pirates’ ship to escape back to the Paradise said that Shanks pays no attention to the likes of Ace
-When Shanks met Ace, Red hair used CoC on him but he did not work, as Shanks expected
-When Shanks used CoC, the fire in front of him gain flickers but it could be due to Shanks adding another piece of wood in there, interpret it however you want
-Shanks find that Ace’s way to salute people was weird. He did not know how to react so he looked at Beckman, Roo and Yassop to see how they feel. If he did not attack Ace it is because they did not seems to find Ace’s hostile
(Rivaille’s note: interesting to see that Shanks has this much respect and confidence on his lieutenants’ opinion)

-In the Pirates' World showing the palm of your hand when you salute someone, it is a sign of respect and humility but it's a really old way, and it's not popular anymore.
-When Shanks wants to be menacing he grabs his sword if CoC does not work (Rivaille's note: to be clear it is not said like that in the novel but it is the course of action. First Shanks burt CoC towards Ace, he did not work as expected by Red hair. Second, he grabs his sword).

-« Beckmann (talking about Makino): She probably has grown into a fine woman that g...right Captain? », « Shanks: Who knows... »
(Rivaille’s note : Yeah, he clearly tapped dat ass )

-Shanks does not consider the straw hat to be more precious than life. Meaning that, for him, the love Luffy has for the straw hat might be too much (Ace: "yeah he considers it to be more important than his life", Shanks: "...things more important than life does not exist").

-For Shanks men, WB is worst than the devil and they will prefer to die 100 times rather than face him
-For The people in the One Piece world, WB was the equivalent of a living natural disaster like a earthquake or a tsunami
-One of the Shishibukai tried to kill WB a long time ago
( Rivaille’s note : I guess it was Sir Crocodile)

-It is reiterate that the stalemate between the emperors is because if one emperor beat another emperor that will just reinforce the influence of the last two (Rivaile's note: To be clear the sentence said "...even if they win, they would suffer a great damage, and the remaining Emperors would benefit from that")

-At this moment of his life, The only ones Ace can trust in order to survive are Sabo and Luffy. Ace said : « If it was not for (the incident about) Sabo and if I did not have a potty little brother like you...I will never thought of living. »
-Ace hated Roger because he attributed all the suffering he met in his life to Roger. For Him, Roger is the reason why he suffered so much. Therefore he wants to surpass him to erase his legacy. He wanted for people to not call him « the son of Roger » but to call Roger « the father of Ace »
-He never intended to become the PK or to find the One Piece, because for him it would have mean that he just like Roger. No, he wanted to do something different and bigger than being PK
-This what Ace said to Shanks : « The entire world is my enemy. The Shishibukai, the emperors, the celestial dragons...I will beat them all. Once my flames have burn all the summits, I will put my flag on them ».
-Shanks had a hard time to understand Ace’s personality.
-Blackbeard scared Shanks before he goes to East blue
(Rivaille’s note: BB scaring Shanks is introduce has a big feat)

-At this point of time, those scars do not throb anymore
(Rivaille’s note: as if they were linked to BB’s ambition)

-Even tho Ace projecting to attack WB was beneficial to Shanks, the latter could not help Ace directly. Because it would have start a conflict with WB
-Shanks was on a winter island but before and after Ace presence there was blizzard and falling snow. When Ace was there no blizzard nor falling snow
-Shanks said that he felt Ace’s haki even before Ace reached the island and that Aceis like flammes
-To this Beckman guess that it was because of this that the snow melt
(Rivaille’s note: my guess is that CoC can enhance any ability and that Ace’s CoC make the Mera mera no mi which the impact on the environment)

-For Beckman, Ace is more a revolutionary than a Pirate.
(Rivaille's note: to be clear, he said that Ace he's more like a fighter, but if his goal is to destroy the curent world he should join the RA)

-For Beckman, Ace lack of vision would lead him to be only the captain of a single ship
-For Beckmann, Ace is an arrogant young blood who believe that he is invincible because he ate a logia
-It is said that the ones deciding who can become a Shishibukai are Sengoku and the Gorosei
-Beckman said that just eating a logia does not justify to be ask to become a Shishibukai nor to have a bounty above 100 millions so there must be something else. Then he said to Shanks that maybe they asked Ace to become a Shishibukai to control him.
-It is implied that after those remarks by Beckmann, after remembering some of Ace's words about Roger during their meeting and Ace’s birthplace, that Shanks understood that Ace is Roger’s son
-It is said that Kaido was above WB in term of strength (Rivaille's note: it is not said if it is Primebeard or Oldbeard but i thin that they are talking of the WB of the novel)

-It is said that Kaido is the WSC because of his apparent immortality and that he is a ferocious fighter
-It is said that Big Mom has the strongest family.
-It is said that WB life accomplishment made him the strongest pirate, that he is the epitome of what it meant to be a pirate
(Rivaille’s note: basically, Kaido is stronger than WB as an individual fighter but WB is stronger than Kaido in term of piracy)

-Doma and A.O (and some other crews) were working for another emperor and attack WB territories
-The place where Ace fought Jinbe was very important for the WB’s Pirates because it was a place where they had a lot of food supplies.
-It is implied that every emperor have food supplies islands and they were easy to conquer
-The WG is depicted as the enemy of the liberty
-It is reiterated that WB is the only man to ever have rivaled Roger
-Ace did not use haki against Jinbe but Jinbe used haki against Ace
(Rivaile's note: to be clear, we know that Jinbe used CoA but it not said if Ace used it or not. For me that means that he did not used CoA but it's a matter of interpretation i guess)

-It is said that Jinbe vs Ace end on a draw
-WB used CoC on the Spade pirates and he used aerial slash to defeat the ones that did not faint from the CoC’s blast
-What allow Ace to face WB, even tho he was totally beat up and semi-conscious after his fight against Jinbe, was his desire to protect his crew.
(Rivaille’s note: he basically create a wall of fire and charge WB on willpower alone)

-WB attacked Ace with CoA on his bisento but Ace has the mental strength to go up after that. He impressed WB by his willpower and this why he asked him to join his crew.
-It said that WB hit Ace so hard after he refused to join him that Ace forgot that the fight happened.
-For the majority of the people of the One Piece world, every pirate is a calamity. For them Roger is not a benevolent figure but the reason why there are so much pirates and why some of them lose beloved ones.
-Roger has a gift to read people’s heart
-Ace’s crewmates have tried to free him from the Moby Dick but they failed
-It is said that WB treat Ace like a mere mosquito when Ace first attacked him
(Rivaille’s note: the scene is describe like the scene with Big Mom and the Brook’s rescue team)

-Ace tried to kill WB on daily basis during several weeks. He tried at different times of the day without success
-One time, one casual hit of WB one shot Ace
(Rivaille's note: to be clear, after one of his attack, Ace was slap away by WB and he had lose consciousness when his crewmate pull him out of the water)

-It is say that the emperors and the Shishibukai are the elite of the pirates' world
(Rivaille's note: to be precise, the term used is "the top/summit")

-It is say that Old Beard is weaker than Primebeard but not how much weaker
( Rivaille’s note: this is said by Deuces who tried to explained to Ace how weak he is.)

-It is say that one hundred thousand or maybe millions of people are depending on WB’s protection to be safe
-Thatch told Ace that if WB let them live (Ace and his crew) it is because they were too weak to be a threat to his territories
-When Kotatsu, Ace’s linx, met Teach he was really afraid of him.
-At first, Ace did not like Teach because in their first meeting Teach leave the dining hall after he let out a huge fart
-When Ace understood WB’s importance in the world, he stopped trying to kill him but was willing to have honorable fights against him. To force WB to accept this deal he decided to work for him
(Rivaille’s note: it reminds me of Vinland Saga)

-WB accepted Ace proposal, put him under Thatch’s responsibility and under Teach's tutelage
-Thatch decided that if Ace lose 100 fights to WB he had to join his crew
-Thatch told Ace that at first, ones who hold the supremacy in the NW changes as time goes on, three men were ruling the new world : Roger, WB and Shiki. But only WB remained.
-He also said that Big Mom was already a ruler of her kingdom at that time but she is an exception
-Thatch says that only 30% of pirates are going into the new world
-It is reiterate that there is no strength hierarchy between the WB’s commanders
-Ace was considering the Marines as the biggest pirate crew
(Rivaille’s note: I think it is akin to people saying that the biggest gang in LA is the LAPD)

-Thatch explained that the marines only protect the part of the new world that they deem important. He elaborated by saying that marines first priority is to protect the WG not the civilians
-Ace: "Which means there's no place in the new world for a rookie like me to cut in", Thatch: "Right...though, Red Hair did climb up from there and became an Emperor

-It is say that there is no bad rumors about Shanks because he is considered to be a good guy
-The WBP do not partake in slavery or drug trades
-When the WBP destroy a crew that attack their territories and that WB did not deem worthy, they take their treasure, sell their boat, and use middle-man to collect their bounties
-Teach is depicted to have low pain tolerance. He is also depicted to be the pirate archetype
-Teach admit that he is the guy who scared Shanks...but then say that he was joking
-Mr1 was known by Thatch
(Rivaille's note: to be clear, Ace asked Thatch if he would not want a fruit that allows him to be a knife -because he is e cook-, Thatch answered that this fruit as been eaten by some killer)

-Thatch said that he would love to have the Mera Mera no mi or the clear clear fruit
-Ace manage to hit WB once during their 99 brawl and WB said that is starting to become strong
(Rivaille's note: to be clear, WB has a burn in his palm)

-It is implied that if WB let Ace fought him it was to train Ace
-Deuces, Ace's first mate, thought that the WG asked Ace to become a Shishibukai because they might have known that he was the son of Roger
-From WB's perpective beating a Shishibukai can increase your reputation as much as beating an emperor
(Rivaille's note: to be clear, WB said that if Ace wants fame he should just accept the WG's offer or that he should settle for a Warlord's head instead of coming for him he then said : "Why is he so keen on taking my head. If he's hunting the Four Emperors then Red Hair's head should be fine too. Could it be, that he thinks i'm easier to deal with because i'm old?)

-From WB’s perspective it seems that Ace was not really eager to become a pirate and did that to respect the promise he did to Luffy and Sabo.
-It is say that the emperor’s title is not for the most violent pirate but for the one who succeed in creating an empire (Rivaille's note: in the sens that it is not for the pirate that destroy more thing)

-It is say that marines are actively trying to take territories from emperors but they are doing that step by step
-Ace used CoC against a ferocious beast like Luffy against Duval’s bull
-Teach is a beastly and ruthless fighter
-The only time WB used the Gura gura no mi against Ace was during their last fight.
-The novel ends by Ace and WB sharing a Sakazuki cup. It implied that Ace found on WB ship what he search for and that was the end of his journey
(Rivaille’s note: what I understand from that is that Ace became a pirate not to become a pirate per se or to surpass his father but to find a place where he will be happy. If Luffy’s journey is to become PK, Ace journey was to find a place where he would be accepted, which he found on the Moby Dick)


Yes, we did know people were stronger than Oden, WB and Roger were, their rivals were Garp and Sengoku but im sure it's a detail you'd gladly ignore. BM is a direct rival of Kaido and she didn't even flinch at entering his territory, but I'm sure Oden was stronger than her.
Detail you conveniently ignore is what was said about Oden who returned to Wano... Another detail "if I cant defeat him no one else can either..."

The fight between Kaido and Oden was pretty well decided. Kaido did not get OHKO even with such a wound, Oden was. It's not exactly a complicated debate.
You asked who could kill Kaido, I told you who could/can...
 

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You named two people, one who has shown nothing to even place him on that level and another who got OHKOd by Kaido. Non of those people have shown the capability to kill him.

Yes, Oden said if he can't defeat him no one else can. Can anyone else easily get into Wano? Did Oden not admit to not being able to beat Kaido? Is Oden stronger than WB (actually, you probably think that). Why ignore the man's own words and then claim Oden could kill Kaido?

Meh.
 

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Oden is top Yonko commander level period. The only commander stronger than him would be Rayleigh.
I think this is fair and aligns with what i've been trying to say. Although you've worded it better and with proof. I am not sure if Rayleigh is stronger though, but that's not important. My thoughts are based on this panel:
This panel shows Rayleigh and Scopper Gaban standing to face him, Roger stops Oden and moves him away saying he was protecting his top tiers...

Actually, the next page is more proof that Oden wasn't at a Yonko level.
 

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You named two people, one who has shown nothing to even place him on that level and another who got OHKOd by Kaido. Non of those people have shown the capability to kill him.

Yes, Oden said if he can't defeat him no one else can. Can anyone else easily get into Wano? Did Oden not admit to not being able to beat Kaido? Is Oden stronger than WB (actually, you probably think that). Why ignore the man's own words and then claim Oden could kill Kaido?

Meh.
The translation given also is a fan translation and not entirely accurate. I would take what it says with a grain of salt.
 

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What do you guys define as "Yonko-level"?
Powerful af
Honestly hard to tell because Yonkou isn't a power level, it's a title given to the 4 strongest pirate captains with vast territories. Luffy was considered an Emperor or future fifth Emperor, so I can't really take that as a power level given Luffy would have been destroyed by any Emperor.
Akainu definitely couldn't finish him since he couldn't even stand in front of Whitebeard, let's not joke ourselves here, it was clear as day.
Blackbeard Pirates killed Whitebeard "easily" because at that point his body was long past its limit and yet, in such state, he was still superior to Akainu
Whitebeard also could not finish Akainu off, or any of the Marine admirals, despite his power. Might have been superior to Akainu, but Akainu still kept getting up and fighting.

Blackbeard pirates were able to kill Whitebeard mainly because of the damage he got from fighting the Marines. Akainu fought a healthier Whitebeard compared to Blackbeard.
Oden said that if he couldnt beat Kaido, nobody else could in long time. That includes Whitebeard so it means that Oden considered himself possibly even stronger than Whitebeard. Kaido is a 1vs1 champ so it isnt a surprise that Oden was a "Yonko level"...
Oden most likely meant the people on Wano and did not include Roger's crew or Whitebeard. Can you even point out that he included Whitebeard as well? Actual proof?
 
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The translation given also is a fan translation and not entirely accurate. I would take what it says with a grain of salt.
I said the same thing to Sasha and thats why i told Nik i wouldn't take his information about the novel seriously.
 

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Actual proof?
Of course since the people he says that will defeat Kaido, will muscle their way into the New World. He considered even people who werent in NW yet. WSC>WSM
 

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Oden most likely meant the people on Wano and did not include Roger's crew or Whitebeard. Can you even point out that he included Whitebeard as well? Actual proof?
I know, right? Damn too obvious.

Just for laughs...

Mr Nik once claimed in a different argument (Rodger vs WB) that Whitebeard was called the strongest man even when Rodger was alive. Which means he was also stronger than Oden as well. :cookiehand

But now, and this is the humor, he's forgotten his previous argument and is now openly claiming Oden was stronger than Whitebeard, in this different argument.

You gotta chose one and stick to it Bruh... :3c

On a final note, I advice you better revert back to White beared being stronger than Oden else it will have so many repercussions. For starters, it would mean the "world strongest titles" won't be taken seriously when next you argue Mihawk vs Shanks. Just a friendly advice, my good friend... :3c
 

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I know, right? Damn too obvious.

Just for laughs...

Mr Nik once claimed in a different argument (Rodger vs WB) that Whitebeard was called the strongest man even when Rodger was alive. Which means he was also stronger than Oden as well. :cookiehand

But now, and this is the humor, he's forgotten his previous argument and is now openly claiming Oden was stronger than Whitebeard, in this different argument.

You gotta chose one and stick to it Bruh... :3c

On a final note, I advice you better revert back to White beared being stronger than Oden else it will have so many repercussions. For starters, it would mean the "world strongest titles" won't be taken seriously when next you argue Mihawk vs Shanks. Just a friendly advice, my good friend... :3c
So good. You beat me to it lol!
 

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Of course since the people he says that will defeat Kaido, will muscle their way into the New World. He considered even people who werent in NW yet. WSC>WSM
The hell are you saying?
I think you must've misread the translations. When Oden said if he can't beat Kaido no one else can, he was obviously talking about Wano residents and not the world and mind you Kaido was weaker back then and not yet a Yonko.

What's even more obvious is that the only people trying to beat Kaido were Oden and his scabbards, of whom none of them were at Oden's level at the time. So of course no one (in Wano) will be able to beat Kaido.
 

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Of course since the people he says that will defeat Kaido, will muscle their way into the New World. He considered even people who werent in NW yet. WSC>WSM
I asked for actual proof, not your assumption. Didn't Whitebeard muscle his way into the New World? I find it hard to believe that Oden wouldn't have considered Whitebeard or Rayleigh as having potential to beat Kaidou, especially when the Gorosei thought Marco had the strength to beat Blackbeard.
 

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I think this is fair and aligns with what i've been trying to say. Although you've worded it better and with proof. I am not sure if Rayleigh is stronger though, but that's not important. My thoughts are based on this panel:
This panel shows Rayleigh and Scopper Gaban standing to face him, Roger stops Oden and moves him away saying he was protecting his top tiers...

Actually, the next page is more proof that Oden wasn't at a Yonko level.
I still consider Rayleigh to be slightly stronger than Oden since a tag team of he and Scopper would have skewered Oden. But since Roger needed Oden alive, they surely wouldn't.

It's a no brainer that the person who handled Oden during the 3 day battle between the RPs and the WBPs was Rayleigh.
 
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