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That wasn't strictly Base Natsu. Natsu tapped into the power of the guild which fueled his flames. His guild mark started glowing and he references it here :
You're not making sense. Natsu always gauges his enemies powers and then lets loose. He can't use DF willy nilly as it exhaust his magic too quickly. He has the ability to use it whenever otherwise he wouldn't have been able to just do it twice. The guy easily enter DF in the Zeref fight and was in control of its power. He wasn't shocked of using transformation either.
Lol if your previous strongest attacks fails then he it is natural he would use his strongest form not wait till the GUY kill him. Natsu is not that dumb. Why would he worry about stamina, Wendy is there and she can easily fix any stamina issues Natsu and Natsu knows this.
Gray previous fight he had no choice but rely on DES. You saying him using DES is just as much as headcanon me saying not.
Who cares if she was dying. She was getting stronger with every second and Erza was taking massive pain from Kyouka's curse as well. She still kept pummeling her with her fists. Those are feats, doesn't matter what you think lol. Erza could also take hits from RL Laxus as well. Those attacks are above anything BSS Mira can dish out.
Don't care whether they were lieutenant of Irene that's all. The were not spiriggan lol. I don't care about your headcanon's of them beging stronger than Spriggan. If they were stronger than Spriggan then Zeref would have made them part of the 12. Your headcanon of Mira couldn beat J and H doesn't matter to me, Mira believed she couldn't do so pulled out her strongest form to beat them but somehow manages hang with Jacob with without BSS for quite long time and somehow beat him with BSS. That's nothing but a PIS moment.
Yeah IK, guild power bla bla. How did the guild give him power, wtf was that? I didn't see anyone from the guild giving magic power, or losing some of theirs to give Natsu power (like Goku against Broly). It's bullshit. And he was in his base. He used flames of emotion, which is basically what he did against Erigor. That's something his base can use.That wasn't strictly Base Natsu. Natsu tapped into the power of the guild which fueled his flames. His guild mark started glowing and he references it here :
Zeref also calls Natsu's flame the guild's flame in the next chapter. So Natsu received a buff which boosted him.
Plus after the 100YQ started it isn't illogical bullshit anymore. We saw that Natsu's arm was burning because of the flame he used. The same way Natsu's arm was burning after he received boost from Ignia. So basically the attack which Natsu used against Zeref would scale to one attack from Ignia Flames Natsu. Ignia Flames Natsu beat Mercuphobia in 3 punches and one physical slam. I don't see why should an attack from someone who's stronger than a Dragon God be called illogical bullshit if it beat Zeref.
We can't pretend that it never happened as well as much as BS it was. Natsu in future will fight Ignia unless he beats Ignia with his physicals strength, that fight will be quite bs as well when he goes down given both recharge indefinitely in the fight. Mashima and Logic doesn't go together. There is quite lot of chance for Natsu and Erza to pull bullshit out in any of these arc.
I'm not trying to justify the final fights lol , you don't need to tell me they were terribly written. I'm saying Mashima considers that form of Natsu powerful since we know how strong that form of Natsu is now. That's enough for me. The concept of him getting power from the guild is BS , doesn't change the fact he powered up. The fact remains that Natsu mentioned that he's using the power of the guild immediately after his guild mark started glowing which is enough to solidify that he got a buff. Even in the next chapter Zeref mentioned it as the guild's power. On the contrary , flames of savage emotions was mentioned only once. It would make more sense that Natsu used power of feelings to amp the attack further which he used after getting buffed by the power of guild than assuming that Base Natsu somehow got a PoF boost which made his attack stronger than DF Natsu's FDK Demo Fist who was already induced on PoF. Especially since we've got 3 references which suggest that.
I don't think he is saying that the fight isn't BS. it's still the worst in history of FT.
Wait, how does that make sense lol. Unless the container itself is destroyed, the infinite supply (FH) should refill the container fast anyway. Natsu can empty the container as much as he wants, it doesn't matter because FH was connected to Zeref
Natsu send him crashing through tables with some basic fire blast. Even Jacob handled those well. Zeref durability itself is a contradiction.
The good old days when getting punched in the face does more damage than getting incineratedyeah, lol
like, I can buy Erza vs Kyoka even but this one was just
Neither does Mercuphobia not being able to use magic after Natsu wiped out his residual magic lol , by all logic he should still be able to use magic after he recovers. But we've been told to accept this as a rule without thinking much over it. If all magic from a person's container is wiped out then he will not be able to draw any more magic into his container. This happened not once , but twice. We cannot ignore it as bullshit now.
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Not really true. 'Eileen' did the same to spider guy, but she said he'll return back to normal within a few days. Natsu emptied his container, just to absorb Zancrow's flames. There is huge consistency issues going on here.
. Wasn't his magic the only thing that allowed him to sustain his human form?? 
It's all bullshit manIf Natsu's resistence, defence, dura etc increases in DF, then to burn hands in DF , vastly more magic power has to be released in DF