Conditional Base Erza vs BSS Mirajane

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If you can't consider Erza vs Kyouka legitimate. Might well as call Mira vs Seilah bullshit. She couldn't takeover Seilah but somehow after thinking about her friends, she miraculously pulls a take over from her ass.

She still couldn't take over Sayla because she was too strong. So she took over just that ability. It made sense. There is precedence for this (taking over just a part), Elfman had done it to Rufus' arm before

Even if it doesn't make sense to you, it's still nowhere near as bad as Erza vs Kyouka. That shit is the most illogical stuff I've seen in FT, that's an accomplishment considering the sheer amount of asspulls and bullshits present in this series lmao

 

[Ramen]

Even if it doesn't make sense to you, it's still nowhere near as bad as Erza vs Kyouka. That shit is the most illogical stuff I've seen in FT, that's an accomplishment considering the sheer amount of asspulls and bullshits present in this series lmao

Ok cool and it's still a feat for Erza.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

She still couldn't take over Sayla because she was too strong. So she took over just that ability. It made sense. There is precedence for this (taking over just a part), Elfman had done it to Rufus' arm before

Still she did perform the take over. It was bullshit. Erza bullshit > Mira bullshit but they are all illogical feats. Mashima gives Erza better illogical feats as well.

 

[Ramen]

Therefore BSS wins. Satanic blast straight to Erza's neck.

She tanks that easy lol.

 

[grey matter]

Well that's what happened. It's fair game through and through to use in this hypothetical



She didn't cancel them, she just was able to avoid some attacks, but no, she took most of the attacks Laxus threw and tanked them. Mira is is no way hurting Erza to that extent. Plus, Erza was tanking RL in her red pants which she has here.



Again, she doesn't need to cancel her attacks. She dodged a lighting halberd and RL attacks so she can definitely dodge BSS lol. Tanking shouldn't be an issue, I think I've explained that well the last 4 pages.



Are we forgetting that Erza can hurt Mira. Erza's fists aren't fodder lol. Erza will damage Mira to an extent and exhaust what's left GG.

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That was absolute horseshit (because that means, unarmed and unarmoured Erza with no senses > armoured and armed Erza who's way healthier and has senses), but if you wanna take it as legit, sure.


But in the final chapter, she did cancel out a few attacks from Laxus, didn't she? This is something Erza won't be able to do in this battle, since she has no swords or armour. She has to tank or dodge.

Either way, you've convinced me that it won't be a mid diff. Due to her sheer tankiness, which is bad for Mira since she's usually bad on stamina. But still Erza defeating Mira with no magic just doesn't make sense to me lol. Mira probably needs high-extreme diff here

What do you say, if both Erza and Mira gets unlimited stamina here, and the fight is determined by damage alone? In that case Mira would win mid diff?

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Still she did perform the take over. It was bullshit. Erza bullshit > Mira bullshit but they are all illogical feats. Mashima gives Erza better illogical feats as well.

Why is it bullshit? Sayla was too strong for a full body takeover, so Mira did just on a part of her. Why is that so hard to accept?

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Guy, please stop making me defend Mira lmao. WTF is happening, I'm defending Mira here

 

[Ramen]

That was absolute horseshit (because that means, unarmed and unarmoured Erza with no senses > armoured and armed Erza who's way healthier and has senses), but if you wanna take it as legit, sure.

You have to lol. It's a feat regardless of the BS. Natsu one shotting FH Zeref was bs but we still accept it.

But in the final chapter, she did cancel out a few attacks from Laxus, didn't she? This is something Erza won't be able to do in this battle, since she has no swords or armour. She has to tank or dodge.

No she didn't. I re-read the fight. She tanked or dodged them. She never cancelled anything. But that isn't a problem since she dodged many RL attacks and a Heavenward Halberd from a Laxus that was right in front of her.

Either way, you've convinced me that it won't be a mid diff. Due to her sheer tankiness, which is bad for Mira since she's usually bad on stamina. But still Erza defeating Mira with no magic just doesn't make sense to me lol. Mira probably needs high-extreme diff here

Erza isn't going to stand there and take the attacks. She's going to fight back which will ware out Mira and eventaully exhaust her.

What do you say, if both Erza and Mira gets unlimited stamina here, and the fight is determined by damage alone? In that case Mira would win mid diff?

Yea. The biggest factor here is stamina so if you take that away, then it's magic vs fists which magic wins.

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Guy, please stop making me defend Mira lmao. WTF is happening, I'm defending Mira here

But you're not making any good points defending her.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Why is it bullshit? Sayla was too strong for a full body takeover, so Mira did just on a part of her. Why is that so hard to accept?

By the fact she didn't do it in the first. Only after some nakama bullshit she took over that portion of that part.

 

[grey matter]

You have to lol. It's a feat regardless of the BS. Natsu one shotting FH Zeref was bs but we still accept it.


But you're not making any good points defending her.

But we never use that for powerscaling Natsu, right? Cause if we do, Natsu one shots everyone in the guild. We accept it as some illogical bullshit and move on.

It's hard to lmao, cause Mira hasn't had an on screen since her fight against the two grunts.
And yes, I do see your point. Unlike Mira, whose stats depend on her takeover, Erza is just Erza and her natural durability stays the same. It's really hard to argue against Erza winning, from feats, it's just that Erza winning against Satan Soul without using her armour or sword seems bullshit from a narrative POV. But yea, until on screen Mira feats come (will it ever?), I accept that I can't argue for Mira winning based on feats alone. All her good on screen feats are way too outdated.

By the fact she didn't do it in the first. Only after some nakama bullshit she took over that portion of that part.

Because she took time to think/figure it out.
If we go by that route, there are many more like this. For eg: Why didn't Laxus use freed's runes against Wahl from the getgo, and cancel her MBP?

 

[Ramen]

It's 4:30 in the morning where I am. I'll respond to the posts directed at me when I wake up. Good night.

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But we never use that for powerscaling Natsu, right? Cause if we do, Natsu one shots everyone in the guild. We accept it as some illogical bullshit and move on.

It's hard to lmao, cause Mira hasn't had an on screen since her fight against the two grunts.
And yes, I do see your point. Unlike Mira, whose stats depend on her takeover, Erza is just Erza and her natural durability stays the same. It's really hard to argue against Erza winning, from feats, it's just that Erza winning against Satan Soul without using her armour or sword seems bullshit from a narrative POV. But yea, until on screen Mira feats come (will it ever?), I accept that I can't argue for Mira winning based on feats alone. All her good on screen feats are way too outdated.

Quickly I'll respond to this lol.

1) He can actually one shot anyone in the guild based off that feat alone. Zeref's durability is pretty good and is even better with FH. Maybe Gildarts can withstand that attack but I don't see anyone else tanking it. Even if it's not a killing blow, it's an automatic ko.

2) It's obviously going to not make sense. That's apart of FT. Alvarez was the perfect example. Other than that, I've made my points clear I think.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

If we go by that route, there are many more like this. For eg: Why didn't Laxus use freed's runes against Wahl from the getgo, and cancel her MBP?

She was trying takeover Seilah. Mashima just made her takeover portion so it makes her less bullshit. Nevertheless it's same shit. If someone puts a scratch on Acno with magic immunity, it's bullshit. Take over didn't work on her but she pulled it off somehow.

 

[Jko]

Unlike DF Natsu can use FDK at a whim lol. If he could use a use stronger form it would have done by now. There is nothing called base FDK and FDKM. If Natsu his lightning + fire against someone it's LFD mode. Not some base LFD shit.



They did damage Mirajane that's all who is nowhere Erza when it comes durability and her enduarance. She is trash when it comes to this. Gray > BSS Mira. You speak as if she beats Gray which she did not.

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If you can't consider Erza vs Kyouka legitimate. Might well as call Mira vs Seilah bullshit. She couldn't takeover Seilah but somehow after thinking about her friends, she miraculously pulls a take over from her ass.

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You talk as if Mira would have done any better.

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Erza tanks that shit blask which hasn't beaten anyone and beats her with her crying fist. END

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Natsu literally was holding back. He even ask Jacob to stop destroying guild hall.

Natsu can use DF whenever he wants to as well. He used it twice without any exterenal boost. There is which is why he used the form to use an FDK attack. Why use the form in the first place when he was using only one move in it??? That would be a waste of magic which Natsu was trying not to do in Alvarez. It is different otherwise the form wouldn't exist and wouldn't have been used for one attack.

Gray beat an injured BSS and had a high diff from that battle. That means a healthy BSS > Gray as he could only take her when she was injured (I don't know how many times the characters themselves have to point this out) and barely come out as the winner. Only time Erza's endurance is top notch is when she has PoF up her ass which she clearly doesn't have in FT vs FT fights. Erza's durability is not as good as Madmole's defense. Mira can overcome Madmole's defense which means Erza's durability is not doing anything to mitigate the damage. She'll have to endure it but will go down as she cannot win a fight through endurance alone as she has never done that. Now show me these feat of J/H being weak? Bcs all I see is Gray barely beating an injured BSS while J/H could match a non injured BSS and force her out of BSS. Unlike Gray, they didn't have to wait for Mira to get injured after stalemating the guy who oneshotted them for several chapters to fight her lol.

 

[IamtherealMirajane]

She was trying takeover Seilah. Mashima just made her takeover portion so it makes her less bullshit. Nevertheless it's same shit. If someone puts a scratch on Acno with magic immunity, it's bullshit. Take over didn't work on her but she pulled it off somehow.

Maybe because it was her first time to take over an etherious? As if Mira use the take over against Seilah with ease when in fact she use her remaining magic to perform a take over and only manage to get the ability of macro.

It is bullshit if she cant take over a demon when the nature of Mira's magic is literally to take over a demon lol.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Natsu can use DF whenever he wants to as well. He used it twice without any exterenal boost. There is which is why he used the form to use an FDK attack. Why use the form in the first place when he was using only one move in it??? That would be a waste of magic which Natsu was trying not to do in Alvarez. It is different otherwise the form wouldn't exist and wouldn't have been used for one attack.

Natsu can use DF when he is under extreme stress. If he could do it against willingly. He would have used it against Merc. There is nothing base FDK and FDKM. He something higher, he would have used it against Aldoron as well as Merc.

Gray beat an injured BSS and had a high diff from that battle. That means a healthy BSS > Gray as he could only take her when she was injured (I don't know how many times the characters themselves have to point this out) and barely come out as the winner. Only time Erza's endurance is top notch is when she has PoF up her ass which she clearly doesn't have in FT vs FT fights. Erza's durability is not as good as Madmole's defense. Mira can overcome Madmole's defense which means Erza's durability is not doing anything to mitigate the damage. She'll have to endure it but will go down as she cannot win a fight through endurance alone as she has never done that. Now show me these feat of J/H being weak? Bcs all I see is Gray barely beating an injured BSS while J/H could match a non injured BSS and force her out of BSS. Unlike Gray, they didn't have to wait for Mira to get injured after stalemating the guy who oneshotted them for several chapters to fight her lol.

Gray beat gray mid diff not high diff. Gray > BSS didn't beat Gray but got her ass kicked lol. Erza durability and endurance is great with or without POF. POF doesn't increase her attack power not her durability. She can tank Laxus RL which is above anything Mira can dish out. Who gives shit J and H pulling her out of BSS. It just proves how pathetic Mira is. Erza is not her, she can just whatever shit Mira can throw at her.

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Maybe because it was her first time to take over an etherious? As if Mira use the take over against Seilah with ease when in fact she use her remaining magic to perform a take over and only manage to get the ability of macro.

It is bullshit if she cant take over a demon when the nature of Mira's magic is literally to take over a demon lol.

She couldn't take over her at the beginning. Only after grabbing her leg and thinking about her friends. She pulled out an impossible. You can't have Mira feats are logical while Erza ones are bullshit. Those things happens and no matter what you say they are canon. Erza beat Kyouka with her when she was getting stronger every second. It might have been a draw but Kyouka>>>>>>>>>>>>Seilah.

 

[Jko]

Natsu can use DF when he is under extreme stress. If he could do it against willingly. He would have used it against Merc. There is nothing base FDK and FDKM. He something higher, he would have used it against Aldoron as well as Merc.



Gray beat gray mid diff not high diff. Gray > BSS didn't beat Gray but got her ass kicked lol. Erza durability and endurance is great with or without POF. POF doesn't increase her attack power not her durability. She can tank Laxus RL which is above anything Mira can dish out. Who gives shit J and H pulling her out of BSS. It just proves how pathetic Mira is. Erza is not her, she can just whatever shit Mira can throw at her.

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She couldn't take over her at the beginning. Only after grabbing her leg and thinking about her friends. She pulled out an impossible. You can't have Mira feats are logical while Erza ones are bullshit. Those things happens and no matter what you say they are canon. Erza beat Kyouka with her when she was getting stronger every second. It might have been a draw but Kyouka>>>>>>>>>>>>Seilah.

Under extreme stress? Lmfao, the dude straight up used it with no problem in the Zeref fight. He doesn't need extreme stress to trigger DF. He didn't use DF against either of the DGs so your point is moot.

It was high diff lmao. Gray was beat up, exhausted and made fun bcs his performance against an injured BSS was pathetic. BSS > Gray which is why he waited until she was inured to fight her and it was noted his ice was as useless on her as it was on Skullion lmao. She stalemated the guy who oneshotted in BSS. There is no way to spin Gray > BSS when clearly everything she has done in this arc as well as the statements made of her power says he would lose to an uninjured BSS Mira. Pulled out an impossible what? Are seriously trying to argue that Erza has logical fights for the majority of her fights??? Lmao, Mira doesn't plot up her ass to do things that are inconsistent with her regular showings. Like when has Mira won a fight using plot force? So I guess Gray is pathetic bcs he couldn't even pull an injured Mira out of BSS and had high diff with her? Nah, Erza can't just tank whatever is thrown at her and never has won a fight through endurance alone. You keep calling J/H fodder with nothing to back up those claims either.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Under extreme stress? Lmfao, the dude straight up used it with no problem in the Zeref fight. He doesn't need extreme stress to trigger DF. He didn't use DF against either of the DGs so your point is moot.

Lol. He was getting killed by Zeref black magic. That's when he used against Zeref. If he could bust it out any time, he would have done that against Merc when his friends was getting killed or when his life was in danger. He couldn't so that's why he had be saved by Ignia.

It was high diff lmao. Gray was beat up, exhausted and made fun bcs his performance against an injured BSS was pathetic. BSS > Gray which is why he waited until she was inured to fight her and it was noted his ice was as useless on her as it was on Skullion lmao. She stalemated the guy who oneshotted in BSS. There is no way to spin Gray > BSS when clearly everything she has done in this arc as well as the statements made of her power says he would lose to an uninjured BSS Mira. Pulled out an impossible what? Are seriously trying to argue that Erza has logical fights for the majority of her fights??? Lmao, Mira doesn't plot up her ass to do things that are inconsistent with her regular showings. Like when has Mira won a fight using plot force? So I guess Gray is pathetic bcs he couldn't even pull an injured Mira out of BSS and had high diff with her? Nah, Erza can't just tank whatever is thrown at her and never has won a fight through endurance alone. You keep calling J/H fodder with nothing to back up those claims either.

Who cares about what Cana thinks. She has been making fun of Gray from the start. It was nothing but mid diff fight. Gray are ready to fight Aldoron and he had high diff fight he would be in no condition to continue. Mira has plot up her ass during tartaros and Alvarez to beat Jacob in BSS which is nothing PIS bullshit when she couldn't beat J and H in BSS. Before you pull out are J and H are strong bullshit. Jacob > J and H. He is spriggan and those nothing but lieutenant.

Yes Gray is as much as pathetic as Skullion and Mirajane. But Erza is not like those three. She has no problem tanking any shit Mirajane in BSS throws at her. Erza has beaten Kyouka with his fists which she can use in this fight and She fought all the pain she Kyouka inflicted. She beat her with her fists and her endurance nothing else.

 

[IamtherealMirajane]

She couldn't take over her at the beginning. Only after grabbing her leg and thinking about her friends. She pulled out an impossible. You can't have Mira feats are logical while Erza ones are bullshit. Those things happens and no matter what you say they are canon. Erza beat Kyouka with her when she was getting stronger every second. It might have been a draw but Kyouka>>>>>>>>>>>>Seilah.

She couldnt take over her due to plot reason. If she can just take over her from the very start then there is no fight all lol.

Like what i said the very nature of Mira's magic is to take over a demon. But this is the first time she will perform to takeover an etherious.

Now my question:

Did Mira give her best when she first performed the take over to Seilah?
The answer is NO. The second try she needs to grab Seilah and use the remaining of her MP to take over Seilah's ability which Mira succeeded.



It is very different from erza lol. Because if her barefist is enough. Then she would not need any of her armor. How come Kyouka easily destroyed the armadura armor but was only beaten by a punch. Logic please.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

She couldnt take over her due to plot reason. If she can just take over her from the very start then there is no fight all lol.

Canon says that she couldn't that's what it matters. Anything you think is irrelevant.

The answer is NO. The second try she needs to grab Seilah and use the remaining of her MP to take over Seilah's ability which Mira succeeded.

Ofcourse she did. She thinking about her family and friends when she performing her technique on her. That what a POF. She somehow managed just use take over some part of it.

It is very different from erza lol. Because if her barefist is enough. Then she would not need any of her armor. How come Kyouka easily destroyed the armadura armor but was only beaten by a punch. Logic please.

That was argument. Lol don't make me laugh. Erza doesn't rely on armor to beat oppenets. She always use red pants to beat her enemies which lowers he defense. Rest of arguments are nothing but fodder. Erza beat her with his fists and Kyouka said she is too strong. That's what Mashima thinks.

 

[Jko]

Lol. He was getting killed by Zeref black magic. That's when he used against Zeref. If he could bust it out any time, he would have done that against Merc when his friends was getting killed or when his life was in danger. He couldn't so that's why he had be saved by Ignia.



Who cares about what Cana thinks. She has been making fun of Gray from the start. It was nothing but mid diff fight. Gray are ready to fight Aldoron and he had high diff fight he would be in no condition to continue. Mira has plot up her ass during tartaros and Alvarez to beat Jacob in BSS which is nothing PIS bullshit when she couldn't beat J and H in BSS. Before you pull out are J and H are strong bullshit. Jacob > J and H. He is spriggan and those nothing but lieutenant.

Yes Gray is as much as pathetic as Skullion and Mirajane. But Erza is not like those three. She has no problem tanking any shit Mirajane in BSS throws at her. Erza has beaten Kyouka with his fists which she can use in this fight and She fought all the pain she Kyouka inflicted. She beat her with her fists and her endurance nothing else.

He was nowhere near death and just went the form calmly. There was no indication of stress when Natsu went DF. Obviously he didn't get a chance to bust it out before Ignia appeared. You act like any of them gave it their all. Gray wasn't in DeS, Erza was in HW, Wendy wasn't even Dragon's Force, and Lucy was just standing there half the time lol. He was saved by Ignia bcs he wouldn't have done crap to Merc without Ignia's flames.

Hmm Cana and Juvia both give clear as hell info on the fight and Cana wasn't the only person mocking Gray. Cana also was objective and laid out points that Gray could not refute. Gray was in DeS as he was stated to go all out by Juvia and we know he used DeS in practically every fight he is in. He used it on the Rajinshuu lmao. Everything points to Gray using DeS. What? How is the Tartarus fight PIS? I don't see her getting up after Seilah beating her down and then fist-i-cuffing Seilah in Base lmao. Alvarez? How is it PIS she beat Jacob??? She did that while injured and showing nothing to say she was boosted. Hell she was weakened and her MP scared the crap out of J/H despite them mouthing off S12s and Makarov. Makarov has the most MP bar maybe Gild and DF Natsu. Also again, since when are J/H weak??? You have shown squat to say such. We saw Erza get her ass kicked by Beserkers so can we say Erza got beat by literal fodder or is it just bcs the Beserkers are strong? Hint: it's the latter.

How in the hell is Gray let alone Skullion pathetic??? Oh, it's bcs Mira fought them and you can't get past the fact Mira is strong. Yeah, you keep saying that but have yet to provide anything to say Erza can win a fight through endurance alone lol. Erza beat Kyouka bcs PoF up her ass and Kyouka was killing herself. Even then she failed to land a fatal blow on Kyouka with her swords lol.

 

[Demon Hunter]

it's time for me to step in

OP @Zelefomavis is One Magic restricted???

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

He was nowhere near death and just went the form calmly. There was no indication of stress when Natsu went DF. Obviously he didn't get a chance to bust it out before Ignia appeared. You act like any of them gave it their all. Gray wasn't in DeS, Erza was in HW, Wendy wasn't even Dragon's Force, and Lucy was just standing there half the time lol. He was saved by Ignia bcs he wouldn't have done crap to Merc without Ignia's flames.

Natsu was taking heavy damaged when Zeref caught him with his spell. He never went calmly. He was pissed at Zeref for trying to erase his friends by erasing the timeline. Ofcourse there was some POF involved. Natsu wouldn't have done crap is from your point of view not from Natsu. He even thinks he can take one Aldoron. If he could use DF at his will one of his strongest form when his previous attacks failed. He would have done so.

How in the hell is Gray let alone Skullion pathetic??? Oh, it's bcs Mira fought them and you can't get past the fact Mira is strong. Yeah, you keep saying that but have yet to provide anything to say Erza can win a fight through endurance alone lol. Erza beat Kyouka bcs PoF up her ass and Kyouka was killing herself. Even then she failed to land a fatal blow on Kyouka with her swords lol.

I already said Kyouka beating her with his fists. I don't care about your POF bullshit. Those are feats for Erza nothing more. You asked for feats and that's a feat nothing else. Erza could tank Laxus take few of red lightning spells which are vastly above anything Mira can dish out. Mira will tire herself out trying to beat Erza lol.

Hmm Cana and Juvia both give clear as hell info on the fight and Cana wasn't the only person mocking Gray. Cana also was objective and laid out points that Gray could not refute. Gray was in DeS as he was stated to go all out by Juvia and we know he used DeS in practically every fight he is in. He used it on the Rajinshuu lmao. Everything points to Gray using DeS. What? How is the Tartarus fight PIS? I don't see her getting up after Seilah beating her down and then fist-i-cuffing Seilah in Base lmao. Alvarez? How is it PIS she beat Jacob??? She did that while injured and showing nothing to say she was boosted. Hell she was weakened and her MP scared the crap out of J/H despite them mouthing off S12s and Makarov. Makarov has the most MP bar maybe Gild and DF Natsu. Also again, since when are J/H weak??? You have shown squat to say such. We saw Erza get her ass kicked by Beserkers so can we say Erza got beat by literal fodder or is it just bcs the Beserkers are strong? Hint: it's the latter.

Lol She couldn't beat J and H without his strongest form while she beat Jacob in BSS. That's nothing bullshit just like favourite words PIS and Plot bullshit. Jacob is above J and H, those are canon statements by Mashima. Bersekers being weaker than J and H is nothing but your headcanon. They were created to capture Mavis and take out Fairytail. Why would Irene make them weaker than J and H who could trash by Mirajane when entire FT was in the battle field. Erza never got his ass kicked, She was pushed back one of them, She beat few of them and them held down by some of them.

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Since you are saying Gray use DES against Mirajane might well as say she used her upper forms because we didn't see nothing in that fight.