Conditional Base Erza vs BSS Mirajane

[Jko]

There is nothing called base FDK. It's just FDK. He used the same thing against Aldoron as well. If he had a stronger form then he would used that as well.



Why would she bother enchanting them again when they already lost.



Why she enchant bunch of losers who lost?

FDKM is far stronger than his Base FDK attack. He switches forms twice to use 1 FDK attack which would make the point useless if it disn't amp his FDK attacks. The difference in the firepower displayed was way stronger than any Base FDK attack shown as well. He only used 1 attack against Aldoron lol. It's like saying he doesn't need DF anymore bcs he didn't use that either.

Bcs they did a lot of damage to a high tier FT mage so they aren't weak. A healthy BSS has feats of being above Gray lmao. So again where are you getting they are weak? They had zero prior showing that say they are weak.

You are going to have to be clearer.

 

[Ramen]

@Jko and his arguments

• She hurt Madmole (She didn't this is a lie. Mira didn't even fight Madmole from what we saw)
• She beat Jacob (who's eyes were closed)
• She "picked up" a river at the beginning of the series.

Lmao ok.

 

[grey matter]

This dude really said Jacob's defense better than Erza

That really did catch me by surprise LMFAO. Un-fucking-believable that he actually said that.

It's one thing to assume Madmole has more defense than Erza, there is a case to be made there since his entire existence is being a tank. But freaking JACOB?

 

[Ramen]

That really did catch me by surprise LMFAO. Un-fucking-believable that he actually said that.

It's one thing to assume Madmole has more defense than Erza, there is a case to be made there since his entire existence is being a tank. But freaking JACOB?

Now I don't think Madmole does either, but there's a case to be made and I don't think her defense is that much better. Just a bit......BUT FUCKING JACOB.


But what do you expect from Jko nowadays. Macro might work on Mercphobia lol.

 

[Mirage]

Erza. She has better stats all around with or without armor and weapons. She was beating the fuck out of Kyouka bare-handed with her pain sensitivity amped up and also injured Irene with a headbutt after destroying a meteor with broken bones, while BSS Mira was losing to Juliet and Heine who together are BSS Mira level.

Beating the absolute weakest Spriggan in terms of physicals doesn't net her stats above Erza all of a sudden. That's ludicrous. The gap between them is far too wide for that to happen.

Not even gonna take nuke spam seriously since those attacks would virtually do no damage to Erza.

 

[Ramen]

Erza. She has better stats all around with or without armor and weapons. She was beating the fuck out of Kyouka bare-handed with her pain sensitivity amped up and also injured Irene with a headbutt after destroying a meteor with broken bones, while BSS Mira was losing to Juliet and Heine who together are BSS Mira level.

Beating the absolute weakest Spriggan in terms of physicals doesn't net her stats above Erza all of a sudden. That's ludicrous. The gap between them is far too wide for that to happen.

Not even gonna take nuke spam seriously since those attacks would virtually do no damage to Erza.

Apparently Jacob's defense is better than Erza's

 

[Plutogrim]

I know JKO would come soon.
I'm just waiting for @IamtherealMirajane to find this thread.

 

[Ramen]

I know JKO would come soon.
I'm just waiting for @IamtherealMirajane to find this thread.

He'll say Mira but not make an argument.

 

[Plutogrim]

Btw, Mira did pull up a river when she fought Freed, both in manga and the anime.

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Fair enough.

It wasn't Mirajane strenght carrying the river, its her magical power.

 

[Ramen]

Have we been able to convince you otherwise? @grey matter

 

[grey matter]

Have we been able to convince you otherwise? @grey matter

No lol.

There are two cases where Erza used just her arms to fight IIRC - against Kyouka and against Minerva. Remind me if there are more,

I'm not even gonna consider the one against Kyouka. Armours Erza and red pants Erza lost to Kyouka IIRC. THEN Erza got ALL her senses taken away, had pain increased to extreme levels where even a blow of air would make her scream in pain....... and she punched herself to victory. WTF? And the explanation offered is "thats because she's Erza"..............I'm sorry, I don't even know WTF to do with this

Against Minerva. I do consider this legit. But Minerva is mainly a caster mage who relies on territory. Overwhelming her in hand to hand combat is impressive, but not enough for me to put her above Satan Soul Mira

Satan Soul Mira had feats of holding her own against Azuma in hand to hand. She also overwhelmed Freed in hand to hand in FFS arc, when Freed was actually on or above Natsu/Gray level. She also did stalemate Skullion, though I'm not going to rely on this since it's off screen and rings BS to me. But her earlier own feats are good enough, when we scale to current power levels.
This might is basically Satan Soul Mira, who has magic. Versus magicless Erza relying only on her arms and legs. I don't see how a case for Erza can be made, unless we're considering Erza vs Koyouka

If you consider Erza vs Kyouka as legitimate, then I believe there is a case for Erza to be made here. Or else, nope.

 

[Ramen]

I'm not even gonna consider the one against Kyouka. Armours Erza and red pants Erza lost to Kyouka. THEN Erza got ALL her senses taken away, had pain increased to extreme levels where even a blow of air would make her scream in pain....... and she punched herself to victory. WTF? And the explanation offered is "thats because she's Erza"..............I'm sorry, I don't even know WTF to do with this

But you have to consider it legit. It happened. It's a feat that you can't discount because you didn't like the outcome.

This proves that Erza would beat Mira

I don't see how a case for Erza can be made, unless we're considering Erza vs Koyouka

You forget that Mira can't hurt Erza. She was tanking RL. Plus, Erza is good with her fists. She stopped bloodlust Gray and END with ease.


Can you even make a case of why Erza wouldn't just tank everything?

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Against Minerva. I do consider this legit. But Minerva is mainly a caster mage who relies on territory. Overwhelming her in hand to hand combat is impressive, but not enough for me to put her above Satan Soul Mira

She doesn't have to be above Mira. She has to have enough to deal damage and exhaust her which she can.

 

[Aurelius]

Why just fists, y'all ignoring them thicc thighs, smdh

 

[grey matter]

But you have to consider it legit. It happened. It's a feat that you can't discount because you didn't like the outcome.

This proves that Erza would beat Mira

IT's not just that I didn't like the outcome. It was 100% nonsensical. Because, that would mean: armourless, swordless Erza; with nerfs of no senses, extreme pain, and heavy injuries; IS STRONGER than a relatively healthy Erza with swords and/or armours. Even the author threw up his hands in air and said it's just because she's Erza lol

You forget that Mira can't hurt Erza. She was tanking RL. Plus, Erza is good with her fists. She stopped bloodlust Gray and END with ease.


Can you even make a case of why Erza wouldn't just tank everything?


She doesn't have to be above Mira. She has to have enough to deal damage and exhaust her which she can.

Erza was getting hurt by RL a lot, and she passed out not just magic exhaustion, but injury as well.
Also, didn't Erza cancel many RL attacks in the final chapter? She needed her armours and swords to do it. But here, she doesn't have armours or swords. Point being, she cancelled out a significant portion of RL attacks by her own attacks (for which she needs magic), so the actual damage she received ended up being a fraction of the actual total output by Laxus

In this fight against Satan Soul, she doesn't have that luxury, since she cannot cancel out Mira's attacks by her own magic power, since swords and armours are restricted. She either has to dodge or tank them. That would be enough to put down Erza IMO

 

[Ramen]

IT's not just that I didn't like the outcome. It was 100% nonsensical. Because, that would mean: armourless, swordless Erza; with nerfs of no senses, extreme pain, and heavy injuries; IS STRONGER than a relatively healthy Erza with swords and/or armours. Even the author threw up his hands in air and said it's just because she's Erza lol

Well that's what happened. It's fair game through and through to use in this hypothetical

Erza was getting hurt by RL a lot, and she passed out not just magic exhaustion, but injury as well.
Also, didn't Erza cancel many RL attacks in the final chapter? She needed her armours and swords to do it. But here, she doesn't have armours or swords. Point being, she cancelled out a significant portion of RL attacks by her own attacks (for which she needs magic), so the actual damage she received ended up being a fraction of the actual total output by Laxus

She didn't cancel them, she just was able to avoid some attacks, but no, she took most of the attacks Laxus threw and tanked them. Mira is is no way hurting Erza to that extent. Plus, Erza was tanking RL in her red pants which she has here.

In this fight against Satan Soul, she doesn't have that luxury, since she cannot cancel out Mira's attacks by her own magic power, since swords and armours are restricted. She either has to dodge or tank them. That would be enough to put down Erza IMO

Again, she doesn't need to cancel her attacks. She dodged a lighting halberd and RL attacks so she can definitely dodge BSS lol. Tanking shouldn't be an issue, I think I've explained that well the last 4 pages.



Are we forgetting that Erza can hurt Mira. Erza's fists aren't fodder lol. Erza will damage Mira to an extent and exhaust what's left GG.

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Erza was getting hurt by RL a lot, and she passed out not just magic exhaustion

She accredited her loss to mainly loss of magic.

 

[IamtherealMirajane]

He'll say Mira but not make an argument.

BSS lost to J & H = Nah J & H fodder. Not a spriggan level. But then again they are the lieuttenants of the most powerful female spriggan and they are also considered by Irene as her precious children that it needed for Irene to personally take Mira.

Erza losing to 4 to 5 berserker. Lol.

Logic please.

Jacob ( a spriggan) lost to single strike from BSS = Nahhh he went blind. He only has transport but then again he managed to fight on par with Natsu, Lucy, Leo for couple of chapters.

BSS tied with Skullion= Nahh he didnt use his special attack ( whatever his Named attack) . I dont remember BSS using named attack also lol. Skullion low diffed DeS Gray. So assuming BSS = Skullion. does it mean that Base Erza w/o armor will low diffed DeS Gray. Lol.

Therefore BSS wins. Satanic blast straight to Erza's neck.

THE END.

 

[Ramen]

BSS lost to J & H = Nah J & H fodder. Not a spriggan level.

BSS did lose indeed. J&H are not Spriggan level. That's why they are subordinates and BSS Mira couldn't even beat them.

Jacob ( a spriggan) lost to single strike from BSS = Nahhh he went blind. He only has transport but then again he managed to fight on par with Natsu, Lucy, Leo for couple of chapters.

She literally says him closing his eyes saved her in the end. Fighting on par with Lucy/Leo doesn't matter as they're not that strong and Natsu didn't want to destroy the guild hall. He later went on to oneshot Jacob. This is all canon.

BSS tied with Skullion= Nahh he didnt use his special attack ( whatever his Named attack) . I dont remember BSS using named attack also lol. Skullion low diffed DeS Gray. So assuming BSS = Skullion. does it mean that Base Erza w/o armor will low diffed DeS Gray. Lol.

Skullion used 2 named attacks against Gray that low diffed. He didn't use those against Mira (As far as we know). So for one to say they are completely equal is wrong since we don't know how those attacks would do. Black Ash could easily one shot Mira like it did to Gray or not. We don't know.

None of Mira's BSS named attacks are anything special. Not a single one. BSS Mira cannot hurt Erza.


Erza with no armour or weapons effortlessly stopped Gray's bloodlusted punch when he was fighting END.

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Therefore BSS wins. Satanic blast straight to Erza's neck.

Erza tanks it.

 

[IamtherealMirajane]

BSS did lose indeed. J&H are not Spriggan level. That's why they are subordinates and BSS Mira couldn't even beat them.



She literally says him closing his eyes saved her in the end. Fighting on par with Lucy/Leo doesn't matter as they're not that strong and Natsu didn't want to destroy the guild hall. He later went on to oneshot Jacob. This is all canon.



Skullion used 2 named attacks against Gray that low diffed. He didn't use those against Mira (As far as we know). So for one to say they are completely equal is wrong since we don't know how those attacks would do. Black Ash could easily one shot Mira like it did to Gray or not. We don't know.

None of Mira's BSS named attacks are anything special. Not a single one. BSS Mira cannot hurt Erza.


Erza with no armour or weapons effortlessly stopped Gray's bloodlusted punch when he was fighting END.

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Erza tanks it.

It doesnt make J & H a fodder if they beat BSS lol. BSS is still a formidable opponent until now. J & H are considered fodder if you compare it to Alegria

Not because Natsu dont want to destroy the guild it doesnt mean that hes holding back when in fact his guildmates life is on the line lol. ( nevertheless the guildhall was destroyed after that) Yes he oneshotted Jacob by FDKM and satan soul knockout Jacob in 1 strike also. This is also canon. Yes It saved Mira from Jacob because she couldnt even sustain a satan soul for that long.

Why would Skullion will not use it against Mira? But with Gray? He even respect BSS 's strength but not DeS Gray?

Yes Erza stopped Gray due massive POF involved. The last time i check it was after Master's supposed death.

 

[Ramen]

It doesnt make J & H a fodder if they beat BSS lol. BSS is still a formidable opponent until now. J & H are considered fodder if you compare it to Alegria

I never said they were. Depends, BSS is not formidable against Erza, Laxus, Gildarts, or Natsu as they would all beat her handily. It is against Gray and Gajeel.

Not because Natsu dont want to destroy the guild it doesnt mean that hes holding back when in fact his guildmates life is on the line lol. ( nevertheless the guildhall was destroyed after that) Yes he oneshotted Jacob by FDKM and satan soul knockout Jacob in 1 strike also. This is also canon. Yes It saved Mira from Jacob because she couldnt even sustain a satan soul for that long.

Natsu didn't oneshot Jacob right away because he didn't want to destroy the guildhall. Against Natsu he was at full power and he wasn't with Mira.

She can sustain BSS for a long time lol. She's been using it all of Alvarez other than the short time with Alegria. She also has been using it the entire time against Lucy, Diabolos, and Gray.

When Mira fought Jacob, she was in worse condition but he was also still burned up by Natsu. He also fought with his eyes closed which she said is the reason as to why she won.

Actually no the guildhall wasn't destroyed. Natsu one shot Jacob after Makarov threw him to the lake. The only time the guildhall was destroyed was against Zeref and when Natsu did it, he immediately regretted it.

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Why would Skullion will not use it against Mira? But with Gray? He even respect BSS 's strength but not DeS Gray?

Who knows why? It was off panel. Actually both his named attacks have crazy AoE so that could've been a reason. Point being, I find it hard that the attack can one shot Gray but apparently Mira tanks it. That makes no sense. Mira has not shown that kind of Durability prior to the sequel. Go back and look at the on panel scans of the fight, Diabolos had the advantage. Not that it matters that much but it shows that Skullion most likely didn't use his named attacks.


Skullion respects Gray's strength. He calls all of team Natsu strong.

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Yes Erza stopped Gray due massive POF involved. The last time i check it was after Master's supposed death.

Gray was also amped on PoF and so was END. Actually I'd argue they had more of a buff. Gray thought Juvia was dead and END thought Lucy died.


I'll say it again, Erza tanks all of Mira's attacks. She tanked RL which is tiers stronger than BSS.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

FDKM is far stronger than his Base FDK attack. He switches forms twice to use 1 FDK attack which would make the point useless if it disn't amp his FDK attacks. The difference in the firepower displayed was way stronger than any Base FDK attack shown as well. He only used 1 attack against Aldoron lol. It's like saying he doesn't need DF anymore bcs he didn't use that either.

Unlike DF Natsu can use FDK at a whim lol. If he could use a use stronger form it would have done by now. There is nothing called base FDK and FDKM. If Natsu his lightning + fire against someone it's LFD mode. Not some base LFD shit.

cs they did a lot of damage to a high tier FT mage so they aren't weak. A healthy BSS has feats of being above Gray lmao. So again where are you getting they are weak? They had zero prior showing that say they are weak.

They did damage Mirajane that's all who is nowhere Erza when it comes durability and her enduarance. She is trash when it comes to this. Gray > BSS Mira. You speak as if she beats Gray which she did not.

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f you consider Erza vs Kyouka as legitimate, then I believe there is a case for Erza to be made here. Or else, nope.

If you can't consider Erza vs Kyouka legitimate. Might well as call Mira vs Seilah bullshit. She couldn't takeover Seilah but somehow after thinking about her friends, she miraculously pulls a take over from her ass.

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Erza losing to 4 to 5 berserker. Lol.

You talk as if Mira would have done any better.

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Therefore BSS wins. Satanic blast straight to Erza's neck.

Erza tanks that shit blask which hasn't beaten anyone and beats her with her crying fist. END

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Not because Natsu dont want to destroy the guild it doesnt mean that hes holding back when in fact his guildmates life is on the line lol.

Natsu literally was holding back. He even ask Jacob to stop destroying guild hall.