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MANGAHELPERS "TOC" POLL ISSUE #51 - VOTING!​

The poll for issue #51 is now open, vote for your favorite chapters of the week clicking HERE!

Alongside the release of Sakamoto Days, the extra series this week are:

-Dragon Ball Super 66
-Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 52
-Ghost Reaper Girl 10


Good Votes!
 
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Well, that's kind of expected. The most obvious solution to this is to forgo physical issues completely for the time being, but Jump is still so stuck on physical sales they're not actually willing to.
The problem isn't physical issues. That's just a matter of sending the completed issue off to the printer. All forgoing them would accomplish would be to enable Jump to move deadlines forward a few days, which would only help for one week before the new deadlines became the new normal. The real bottleneck is preparing the issue.

Here's a fun way to illustrate the issue.

In To Love-ru, Rito's father Saibai is a mangaka. He maintains a separate apartment as his studio with a bunch of drawing supplies and reference materials scattered about, and spends many hours a day working in a small space with his assistants all sitting right next to each other. I'm not sure if it ever comes up in the series, but presumably his editor either drops by the studio to discuss upcoming manuscripts, or Saibai goes to his editor's office at the publisher to discuss them. That's a good example of how mangaka had to work in the early 2000s.

In Yuragi-sou no Yuuna-san, Nonko, one of the tenants of the Yuragi Inn is a mangaka. Nonko does her job on a computer and drawing tablets in her room where she works. Her one assistant at the start of the series works remotely, and doesn't actually meet Nonko in person until the company Christmas party. Eventually Nonko gets another assistant who works in the same room due to their own preference. Nonko's editor takes a long train ride to meet with her, purely due to personal preference(and for an excuse to use the hot spring) as Nonko's manuscripts are submitted over the internet. That's a decent enough example of how mangaka can work in the late 2010s.

Mangaka who work like Saibai are the ones most affected by this. Their workflow involves a few to several people being in the same room together for hours and hours at a time. Likely using public transportation to get there. The necessary meetings with the editor require either editor or mangaka to go to the other, again probably using public transit. Taking measures against infection will royally fuck up their workflow. Fewer or no assistants, meaning fewer pages, lower quality art, or random breaks while they bring the chapter up to acceptable quality. Trying to set up videochat meetings with the editor instead of doing face to face meetings. Figuring out how to get the final manuscript sent electronically instead of it being personally delivered by the mangaka/an assistant or picked up by the editor. Not doing physical printings of the issue won't help them.

Mangaka who work like Nonko are the ones least affected by this. They just have their assistants work purely from home. They switch to always meeting their editor via videochat. Submitting the finished manuscript doesn't change for them. Physical prints of the issue are entirely irrelevant to their work as they don't need the help.

Now, this illustration leaves out the mangaka who are in between. Some do the drafting of a chapter with pen and paper, meet with their editor in person, then do the rest digitally. Others work all digitally, but meet with the editor in person, and aren't set up to have their assistants work remotely. Mangaka like this will have some disruption to their workflow, but won't be as bad off as the ones who were purely analog still. Again, forgoing physical printings doesn't help them.

The other undiscussed point is the editors. They meet to compile the issue. Skipping physical issues in favor of only doing digital issues won't help them, as they still need to meet and compile the issue. What would help them is working out how to meet via videoconferencing instead of in person to do the necessary work, but they're probably already figuring that out as part of this.

All in all suspending printed issues does nothing for them. What would help them is a switch to video conferencing and working remotely, and all of the mangaka going full digital. Which is not something that happens quickly and easily without issue if they weren't already set up for them. For the mangaka in particular, moving from analog to digital is a major transition with a significant learning curve that would slow them down or reduce the quality of their work while they made the switch. Thus we have the editorial department warning ahead of time that there may be problems in the near future.
 
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The problem isn't physical issues. That's just a matter of sending the completed issue off to the printer. All forgoing them would accomplish would be to enable Jump to move deadlines forward a few days, which would only help for one week before the new deadlines became the new normal. The real bottleneck is preparing the issue.

Here's a fun way to illustrate the issue.

In To Love-ru, Rito's father Saibai is a mangaka. He maintains a separate apartment as his studio with a bunch of drawing supplies and reference materials scattered about, and spends many hours a day working in a small space with his assistants all sitting right next to each other. I'm not sure if it ever comes up in the series, but presumably his editor either drops by the studio to discuss upcoming manuscripts, or Saibai goes to his editor's office at the publisher to discuss them. That's a good example of how mangaka had to work in the early 2000s.

In Yuragi-sou no Yuuna-san, Nonko, one of the tenants of the Yuragi Inn is a mangaka. Nonko does her job on a computer and drawing tablets in her room where she works. Her one assistant at the start of the series works remotely, and doesn't actually meet Nonko in person until the company Christmas party. Eventually Nonko gets another assistant who works in the same room due to their own preference. Nonko's editor takes a long train ride to meet with her, purely due to personal preference(and for an excuse to use the hot spring) as Nonko's manuscripts are submitted over the internet. That's a decent enough example of how mangaka can work in the late 2010s.

Mangaka who work like Saibai are the ones most affected by this. Their workflow involves a few to several people being in the same room together for hours and hours at a time. Likely using public transportation to get there. The necessary meetings with the editor require either editor or mangaka to go to the other, again probably using public transit. Taking measures against infection will royally fuck up their workflow. Fewer or no assistants, meaning fewer pages, lower quality art, or random breaks while they bring the chapter up to acceptable quality. Trying to set up videochat meetings with the editor instead of doing face to face meetings. Figuring out how to get the final manuscript sent electronically instead of it being personally delivered by the mangaka/an assistant or picked up by the editor. Not doing physical printings of the issue won't help them.

Mangaka who work like Nonko are the ones least affected by this. They just have their assistants work purely from home. They switch to always meeting their editor via videochat. Submitting the finished manuscript doesn't change for them. Physical prints of the issue are entirely irrelevant to their work as they don't need the help.

Now, this illustration leaves out the mangaka who are in between. Some do the drafting of a chapter with pen and paper, meet with their editor in person, then do the rest digitally. Others work all digitally, but meet with the editor in person, and aren't set up to have their assistants work remotely. Mangaka like this will have some disruption to their workflow, but won't be as bad off as the ones who were purely analog still. Again, forgoing physical printings doesn't help them.

The other undiscussed point is the editors. They meet to compile the issue. Skipping physical issues in favor of only doing digital issues won't help them, as they still need to meet and compile the issue. What would help them is working out how to meet via videoconferencing instead of in person to do the necessary work, but they're probably already figuring that out as part of this.

All in all suspending printed issues does nothing for them. What would help them is a switch to video conferencing and working remotely, and all of the mangaka going full digital. Which is not something that happens quickly and easily without issue if they weren't already set up for them. For the mangaka in particular, moving from analogue to digital is a major transition with a significant learning curve that would slow them down or reduce the quality of their work while they made the switch. Thus we have the editorial department warning ahead of time that there may be problems in the near future.
Yeah. I see where you're coming from. The old crust Oda would be the most affected by this, but the newer authors probably would have an easier time to transition to full digital. So I don't think it would affect their workflow that much. If anything, Oda will most likely get more breaks due to not being as up to speed in digital drawing.

I won't put away the possibility of some of the newbies preferring analog though. But they'll most likely have a quicker transition compared to the older guys.
 

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The problem isn't physical issues. That's just a matter of sending the completed issue off to the printer. All forgoing them would accomplish would be to enable Jump to move deadlines forward a few days, which would only help for one week before the new deadlines became the new normal. The real bottleneck is preparing the issue.

Here's a fun way to illustrate the issue.

In To Love-ru, Rito's father Saibai is a mangaka. He maintains a separate apartment as his studio with a bunch of drawing supplies and reference materials scattered about, and spends many hours a day working in a small space with his assistants all sitting right next to each other. I'm not sure if it ever comes up in the series, but presumably his editor either drops by the studio to discuss upcoming manuscripts, or Saibai goes to his editor's office at the publisher to discuss them. That's a good example of how mangaka had to work in the early 2000s.

In Yuragi-sou no Yuuna-san, Nonko, one of the tenants of the Yuragi Inn is a mangaka. Nonko does her job on a computer and drawing tablets in her room where she works. Her one assistant at the start of the series works remotely, and doesn't actually meet Nonko in person until the company Christmas party. Eventually Nonko gets another assistant who works in the same room due to their own preference. Nonko's editor takes a long train ride to meet with her, purely due to personal preference(and for an excuse to use the hot spring) as Nonko's manuscripts are submitted over the internet. That's a decent enough example of how mangaka can work in the late 2010s.

Mangaka who work like Saibai are the ones most affected by this. Their workflow involves a few to several people being in the same room together for hours and hours at a time. Likely using public transportation to get there. The necessary meetings with the editor require either editor or mangaka to go to the other, again probably using public transit. Taking measures against infection will royally fuck up their workflow. Fewer or no assistants, meaning fewer pages, lower quality art, or random breaks while they bring the chapter up to acceptable quality. Trying to set up videochat meetings with the editor instead of doing face to face meetings. Figuring out how to get the final manuscript sent electronically instead of it being personally delivered by the mangaka/an assistant or picked up by the editor. Not doing physical printings of the issue won't help them.

Mangaka who work like Nonko are the ones least affected by this. They just have their assistants work purely from home. They switch to always meeting their editor via videochat. Submitting the finished manuscript doesn't change for them. Physical prints of the issue are entirely irrelevant to their work as they don't need the help.

Now, this illustration leaves out the mangaka who are in between. Some do the drafting of a chapter with pen and paper, meet with their editor in person, then do the rest digitally. Others work all digitally, but meet with the editor in person, and aren't set up to have their assistants work remotely. Mangaka like this will have some disruption to their workflow, but won't be as bad off as the ones who were purely analog still. Again, forgoing physical printings doesn't help them.

The other undiscussed point is the editors. They meet to compile the issue. Skipping physical issues in favor of only doing digital issues won't help them, as they still need to meet and compile the issue. What would help them is working out how to meet via videoconferencing instead of in person to do the necessary work, but they're probably already figuring that out as part of this.

All in all suspending printed issues does nothing for them. What would help them is a switch to video conferencing and working remotely, and all of the mangaka going full digital. Which is not something that happens quickly and easily without issue if they weren't already set up for them. For the mangaka in particular, moving from analog to digital is a major transition with a significant learning curve that would slow them down or reduce the quality of their work while they made the switch. Thus we have the editorial department warning ahead of time that there may be problems in the near future.
Alternatively one can go the Rohan route and draw so fast that you don't need assistants.
Now I wanna know if the Nonko stuff is reflective of Miura's work life.
 

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im hoping the author is gonna do a thing like 2 more chapters filler then 16 chapter arc, 10 chapters filler, 32 chapter arc, 10 chapter filler, 64 chapter arc, 10 chapter filler, and finally 128 chapter arc. That's my headcanon
Well, that would be nice, but I doubt Yozakura can pull off an arc with 16 or more chapters. I mean, the latest arc (the serious one) was only 8 chapters I think, so I can't really share your hope tbh.
 

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Well, that would be nice, but I doubt Yozakura can pull off an arc with 16 or more chapters. I mean, the latest arc (the serious one) was only 8 chapters I think, so I can't really share your hope tbh.
I would love to see Yozakura do more serious arcs, but its episodic nature I think is what Gondaira feels comfortable with. I don't know how much this series has left, guess it depends maybe on how this third volume does for sales. I don't think the series isn't going to end soon until I see Taiyo's background with his family start to enter that arc.
 

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Hi, I'm new here, I have followed this topic since last year, and finally I decided to create an account
because there are really interesting discussions going on :amuse
So first I just want to say that Kimetsu chapter 204 was very cute, what the serie has accomplished (and will in the near future) amaze me.
 

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The problem isn't physical issues. That's just a matter of sending the completed issue off to the printer. All forgoing them would accomplish would be to enable Jump to move deadlines forward a few days, which would only help for one week before the new deadlines became the new normal. The real bottleneck is preparing the issue.

Here's a fun way to illustrate the issue.

In To Love-ru, Rito's father Saibai is a mangaka. He maintains a separate apartment as his studio with a bunch of drawing supplies and reference materials scattered about, and spends many hours a day working in a small space with his assistants all sitting right next to each other. I'm not sure if it ever comes up in the series, but presumably his editor either drops by the studio to discuss upcoming manuscripts, or Saibai goes to his editor's office at the publisher to discuss them. That's a good example of how mangaka had to work in the early 2000s.

In Yuragi-sou no Yuuna-san, Nonko, one of the tenants of the Yuragi Inn is a mangaka. Nonko does her job on a computer and drawing tablets in her room where she works. Her one assistant at the start of the series works remotely, and doesn't actually meet Nonko in person until the company Christmas party. Eventually Nonko gets another assistant who works in the same room due to their own preference. Nonko's editor takes a long train ride to meet with her, purely due to personal preference(and for an excuse to use the hot spring) as Nonko's manuscripts are submitted over the internet. That's a decent enough example of how mangaka can work in the late 2010s.

Mangaka who work like Saibai are the ones most affected by this. Their workflow involves a few to several people being in the same room together for hours and hours at a time. Likely using public transportation to get there. The necessary meetings with the editor require either editor or mangaka to go to the other, again probably using public transit. Taking measures against infection will royally fuck up their workflow. Fewer or no assistants, meaning fewer pages, lower quality art, or random breaks while they bring the chapter up to acceptable quality. Trying to set up videochat meetings with the editor instead of doing face to face meetings. Figuring out how to get the final manuscript sent electronically instead of it being personally delivered by the mangaka/an assistant or picked up by the editor. Not doing physical printings of the issue won't help them.

Mangaka who work like Nonko are the ones least affected by this. They just have their assistants work purely from home. They switch to always meeting their editor via videochat. Submitting the finished manuscript doesn't change for them. Physical prints of the issue are entirely irrelevant to their work as they don't need the help.

Now, this illustration leaves out the mangaka who are in between. Some do the drafting of a chapter with pen and paper, meet with their editor in person, then do the rest digitally. Others work all digitally, but meet with the editor in person, and aren't set up to have their assistants work remotely. Mangaka like this will have some disruption to their workflow, but won't be as bad off as the ones who were purely analog still. Again, forgoing physical printings doesn't help them.

The other undiscussed point is the editors. They meet to compile the issue. Skipping physical issues in favor of only doing digital issues won't help them, as they still need to meet and compile the issue. What would help them is working out how to meet via videoconferencing instead of in person to do the necessary work, but they're probably already figuring that out as part of this.

All in all suspending printed issues does nothing for them. What would help them is a switch to video conferencing and working remotely, and all of the mangaka going full digital. Which is not something that happens quickly and easily without issue if they weren't already set up for them. For the mangaka in particular, moving from analog to digital is a major transition with a significant learning curve that would slow them down or reduce the quality of their work while they made the switch. Thus we have the editorial department warning ahead of time that there may be problems in the near future.
Excellent explanation of the situation, dude. Really genuinely excellent.
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Actually, do we know who does digital VS analog? I know Usuzaki's in one camp and Oda in the other, but what about the others?
 

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I hope that the possible new break is not this week .....
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Anyway, I think I understand that they refer to the series itself and not to the whole magazine right?
 

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I hope that the possible new break is not this week .....
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Anyway, I think I understand that they refer to the series itself and not to the whole magazine right?
I wouldn't be surprised if it's a mangaka based thing as Oda has already made the statement about possibly expecting more interruptions because his work is more analog instead of digital.
 

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Actually, do we know who does digital VS analog? I know Usuzaki's in one camp and Oda in the other, but what about the others?
Akutami in the digital camp, and I imagine most are.
 

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That reminds me, I thought the drawing quality in general was going to decrease a little because the current situation, but it didn't happen. I'd even say MHA has had for me one of the visually most amazing chapters I remember in Shonen Jump.

Why don't you guys add positives and negatives for Yozakura Family, then?
+Taiyo and Mutsumi chemistry
+It's equilibrium between action and comfy
-Too many characters and too many chapters introducing a character that then gets forgotten
-I want more chapters focused on the family members (barring Kyoichirou).
 

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Noticing how Dragon Quest Dai no Daiboken is getting new anime info. Meanwhile Jujutsu...

Quite why are you sharing 4ch memes Mankichi?

This is a discussion thread.
Your disdain for gags is a meme.

I agree that I'm a little tired of a new gag appearing in every Jump batch. The four current gags are from different batches, but consecutive ones. Nak please, Jump needs now a new spokon and romcom way more than another gag.
 

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@Mankichi Togawa What new info?? Where can I see it? I mostly only follow AnimeNewsNetwork website, are there any other anime/manga related websites you recommend me use?

Anyways excellent post @Krono, to complement it a bit.

Eiichiro Oda would be the analog only mangaka like To Love Ru's Saibai.

But it's not like old mangaka only use analog, we have seen some that are hesitant to use anything but paper and pens (as in analog art) like Oda and I think Takehiko Inoue (Or does he use digital?) but there are plenty of "old" mangaka that use digital, like Toriyama (Dragon Ball), Kurumada (Saint Seiya) and Takei (Shaman King).

Now, whether they are full digital or some stuff is done analog, other stuff is done digital we don't know.

But Hiroyuki Takei in this interview says he doesn't really see his assistants, like they have their own equipment at home and work remotely.

Meanwhile we have other cases that even though they do work completely digitally would be affected by COVID because all the equipment is in the mangaka studio itself (As in assistants don't have tablets themselves). Case in point Reiji Miyajima's Kanojo Okarishimasu that runs in WS Magazine.

So unless everyone in a team has their own equipment at home this is gonna affect most mangaka I'd say, unless they are fully digital like Takei who seemenly doesn't even see his assistants at all.

Meanwhile Golgo 13 has been suspended for the first time in its entire run.

I think Kochikame also never had any sort of hiatus, what a work ethic these two have, btw I remember there was one time One Piece was placed like almost dead last in a issue of WSJ and supposedly it was sort of a "punishment" because Oda didn't meet the deadline or something like that, that was the rumor back then (I remember it must have been 2008ish, it was during Thriller Bark..) Anyways I'm gonna check every rank One Piece had during that arc because I'm curious now of my foggy memories lol.
 

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Oh, interesting.

So this week issue was going to have lead color pages for One Piece but becouse of that magazine break due Covid-19, Shueisha changed it.
 

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Oh, interesting.

So this week issue was going to have lead color pages for One Piece but becouse of that magazine break due Covid-19, Shueisha changed it.
What?
 
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