Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2020] - Discussion and ToC Talk

[Shinuki no Reborn]

MANGAHELPERS "TOC" POLL ISSUE #51 - VOTING!​

The poll for issue #51 is now open, vote for your favorite chapters of the week clicking HERE!

Alongside the release of Sakamoto Days, the extra series this week are:

-Dragon Ball Super 66
-Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 52
-Ghost Reaper Girl 10

Good Votes!

 

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[Ryuusei]

Spoiler: 52 TOC & 01 Preview

呪 僕 O マ ブ S C D 破 C B 夜 C 僕 あ 灼 ぼ チ 高 ア 森 A 仄 ぼ 次号カラー ヒロアカ アンデラ 夜桜 約ネバ 道産子 GIGA 岸本先生が描くコラボポスター 爆豪クリアファイル

Spoiler: Issue #52 ToC & Preview

Jujutsu Kaisen (Cover & LCP)
My Hero Academia
One Piece
Mashle
Black Clover
Sakamoto Days (CP)
Dr. Stone
Magu-chan: God of Destruction (CP)
Build King
Mission: Yozakura Family
Me & Roboco
Ayakashi Triangle (CP)
Shakunetsu no Niraikanai
We Never Learn
Chainsaw Man
Koukousei Kazoku
Undead Unluck
Moriking
Agravity Boys
Honomieru Shounen
Bokura no Ketsumei

Issue #1
Cover & LCP: My Hero Academia
CP: Undead Unluck, Mission: Yozakura Family, The Promised Neverland, Dosanko Gyaru wa Namaramenkoi

GIGA Preview
Collab poster by Kishimoto
Bakugou clear file

 

[Mankichi Togawa]

Today there is a "Ramen para Dos" program about My Hero Academia. They were the ones leaking Kimetsu ending last week, so maybe we are getting some new MHA info (tbh I really doubt it).

BTW I guess we are getting next MHA cover in June since the manga gets released in July, aren't we? Feels like decades ago when last volume was released.

 

[Koni]

It’s weird, since the upcoming MHA volume was delayed as well. I wonder what’s going on with it, or if Jump had a plan that they revised or something.

I’m on a gaming forum and someone brought up the One Piece versus Kimetsu discrepancy last year (which sold 12m, which sold 10m, that thing). It was interesting. I forget how exactly that was resolved, if at all.

 

[haijihusbando]

Oh, interesting.

So this week issue was going to have lead color pages for One Piece but becouse of that magazine break due Covid-19, Shueisha changed it.

No, I believe the mistake by Manga+ is because One Piece usually gets the LCP on Golden Week, so they might have just assumed it would be the same this year without checking. Kimetsu got the Golden Week LCP this time round for the first time in a few years (likely due to it wrapping up) but it wasn't because of the Covid-19 break at all.

It’s weird, since the upcoming MHA volume was delayed as well. I wonder what’s going on with it, or if Jump had a plan that they revised or something.

I’m on a gaming forum and someone brought up the One Piece versus Kimetsu discrepancy last year (which sold 12m, which sold 10m, that thing). It was interesting. I forget how exactly that was resolved, if at all.

Mag Talk - Weekly Shonen Jump [2019] - Discussion and TOC Talk

That is a huge issue with OP and also the reason for its slow decline. People wont start reading a 900 chapter manga from scratch, its very hard to get into OP nowadays due to sheer size so naturally the only way to go is down. Hence why I do believe in the claims that OP will end in around 5...

mangahelpers.com

@MangAniMY made a long and comprehensive breakdown here of the Shueisha and Oricon battle (see the link above). TLDR; KnY sold more in 2019.

 

[AbrahamOmosun]

It’s weird, since the upcoming MHA volume was delayed as well. I wonder what’s going on with it, or if Jump had a plan that they revised or something.

I’m on a gaming forum and someone brought up the One Piece versus Kimetsu discrepancy last year (which sold 12m, which sold 10m, that thing). It was interesting. I forget how exactly that was resolved, if at all.

I think it was resolved as it probably being somewhere in between:

1) The one piece editor was using outdated information for kny, given how quickly it was (and still is) changing week to week

2)op using digital sales

3)Something about circulation not sales can't remember

 

[perroloco]

What?

What @redon is probably trying to say is that One Piece was probably going to get the CP in this double issue (As it pretty much does every double issue) but due to COVID it changed somehow. This seems to be corroborated by mangaplus's "mistake". One Piece will probably have CP when it returns in 2 weeks.

Do we know if Kimetsu will have CP in its final chapter? (Is it even confirmed it's next week?)

I had been theorizing this for a while, I thought it was kind of weird for Kimetsu to get CP during double issue and not be its final chapter CP.

 

[Rain Spectre]

What @redon is probably trying to say is that One Piece was probably going to get the CP in this double issue (As it pretty much does every double issue) but due to COVID it changed somehow. This seems to be corroborated by mangaplus's "mistake". One Piece will probably have CP when it returns in 2 weeks.

Do we know if Kimetsu will have CP in its final chapter? (Is it even confirmed it's next week?)

I had been theorizing this for a while, I thought it was kind of weird for Kimetsu to get CP during double issue and not be its final chapter CP.

The only series to get an LCP on its final chapter was Slam Dunk.

 

[haijihusbando]

Do we know if Kimetsu will have CP in its final chapter? (Is it even confirmed it's next week?)

 

[yadayada]

What @redon is probably trying to say is that One Piece was probably going to get the CP in this double issue (As it pretty much does every double issue) but due to COVID it changed somehow. This seems to be corroborated by mangaplus's "mistake". One Piece will probably have CP when it returns in 2 weeks.

Do we know if Kimetsu will have CP in its final chapter? (Is it even confirmed it's next week?)

I had been theorizing this for a while, I thought it was kind of weird for Kimetsu to get CP during double issue and not be its final chapter CP.

But that doesn't make sense, that image doesn't say "Issue 22-23" so it was made after the break announcement, not before, meaning they knew Kimetsu was getting the LCP for this issue and not OP. It's just a mistake.

 

[Jovan]

8月ジャンプ新刊予定(8/4発売)

ハイキュー！！ 44
チェンソーマン 8
マッシュル-MASHLE- 2
森林王者モリキング 1
魔女の守人 2
呪術廻戦 12
夜桜さんちの大作戦 4
ぼくたちは勉強ができない 18
タイムパラドクス・ゴーストライター 1
ミタマセキュ霊ティ 4
ボーンコレクション 1

August volume releases
Haikyuu 44
We Never Learn 17
Jujutsu Kaisen 12
Chainsaw Man 8
Yozakura-san Chi no Daisakusen 4
Mitama Security 4
Guardian of the Witch 2
Mashle 2
Time Paradox Ghost Writer 1
Mori King 1
Bone Collection 1

UPDATE: Jump+ releases in August
Teihen Chuuba ga Uchu Sensou 2
Hidarikiki no Eren 13
Yoru no Kagi 5
Spotless Love 4 (END)
Suito-to 2
Rengoku no Toshi 4
'Tis Time for Interrogation, Princess 3
Welcome to the Ghost Shop 2
Summer Time Rendering 11
MHA Vigilantes 10

 

[perroloco]

The only series to get an LCP on its final chapter was Slam Dunk.

Naruto got LCP in its final issue too though since it had two chapters in the same issue you can make an argument that Naruto's last page wasn't a LCP haha., You are mistaking it with LCP+Cover which Slam Dunk is the only WSJ manga that has gotten it. But I was only asking for CP for KnY, not LCP. Kimetsu will not be getting a LCP because its last chapter is gonna get released during an issue with a new manga, and it would be unfair for the new manga not to open with LCP.

BTW this is the final issue for DB which also had LCP in its final issue.. But it's crazy how they didn't even promote WSJ's best seller was ending in that issue (Naruto's last issue had an advertisement for Naruto ending and it had Naruto's face on it).

And this is Ring Ni Kakero's last issue even though it's not stated in this website (It also had LCP) it has one of the coolest WSJ covers imo, a Kibasen (Cavalry battle) between the gag manga of the time: Kochikame, Dr.Slump, Kinnikuman and Sannen Kimengumi.

BUT I do think maybe if COVID hadn't changed the schedules maybe KnY would have ended with LCP in this issue (remember we basically lost a week of WSJ, so it would have ended one issue prior, in this issue which is the double issue) so COVID obviously changed schedules of CPs, but it's super weird because MangaPlus's mistake has One Piece as LCP during this week.. So maybe they had inside info that OP was gonna get the LCP for the double issue, but that would have meant that KnY wouldn't have had LCP, but a normal CP...
I'm just tired of theorizing lol, I guess what would have happened is that One Piece would have gotten LCP and then KnY would have gotten normal CP.. But we will never know.

If we are talking sales alone Kimetsu is as deserving of LCP as any of the manga that have gotten it, selling better than Naruto and Ring Ni Kakero and basically on the same level of DB and Slam Dunk... Also.. I have this theory that Yu Yu Hakusho would have gotten a LCP when it ended but Togashi just said nope haha or something

 

[Koni]

8月ジャンプ新刊予定(8/4発売)

ハイキュー！！ 44
チェンソーマン 8
マッシュル-MASHLE- 2
森林王者モリキング 1
魔女の守人 2
呪術廻戦 12
夜桜さんちの大作戦 4
ぼくたちは勉強ができない 18
タイムパラドクス・ゴーストライター 1
ミタマセキュ霊ティ 4
ボーンコレクション 1

August volume releases
Haikyuu 44
We Never Learn 17
Jujutsu Kaisen 12
Chainsaw Man 8
Yozakura-san Chi no Daisakusen 4
Mitama Security 4
Guardian of the Witch 2
Mashle 2
Time Paradox Ghost Writer 1
Mori King 1
Bone Collection 1

Ouch, 7 newbies releasing volumes in 1 month.

UPDATE: Jump+ releases in August
Teihen Chuuba ga Uchu Sensou 2
Hidarikiki no Eren 13
Yoru no Kagi 5
Spotless Love 4 (END)
Suito-to 2
Rengoku no Toshi 4
'Tis Time for Interrogation, Princess 3
Welcome to the Ghost Shop 2
Summer Time Rendering 11

We Never Learn should be releasing it's Uruka volume here.
The bloodbath of 7 newbies will be very entertaining to see... provided COVID-19 doesn't fuck with things any more than it already has.
Aww, Spotless Love is ending? Or has it ended already? Dang. I guess I'll need to catch up on that one, then.

I wonder how long to typical Jump+ flops usually run for. 4 to 6 volumes?

 

[Jovan]

We Never Learn should be releasing it's Uruka volume here.
The bloodbath of 7 newbies will be very entertaining to see... provided COVID-19 doesn't fuck with things any more than it already has.
Aww, Spotless Love is ending? Or has it ended already? Dang. I guess I'll need to catch up on that one, then.

I wonder how long to typical Jump+ flops usually run for. 4 to 6 volumes?

Everything from 3-6 vols from what I saw, they are giving the newbs a lot of space to breathe.
Spotless Love has yet to end.

 

[Ctkk]

It’s weird, since the upcoming MHA volume was delayed as well. I wonder what’s going on with it, or if Jump had a plan that they revised or something.

I’m on a gaming forum and someone brought up the One Piece versus Kimetsu discrepancy last year (which sold 12m, which sold 10m, that thing). It was interesting. I forget how exactly that was resolved, if at all.

It is odd because there are more than enough chapters to release a MHA volume in June. Shueisha is probably trying to avoid releasing the biggest, stuff until the pandemic is under control, or just future-proofing in case the schedule slows down too much.

 

[perroloco]

It is odd because there are more than enough chapters to release a MHA volume in June. Shueisha is probably trying to avoid releasing the biggest, stuff until the pandemic is under control, or just future-proofing in case the schedule slows down too much.

I think someone posted some information about the newest One Piece Magazine that revealed that they take a loooong time printing the 3mill or so volumes for One Piece, so I assume things just got delayed because... Basically the supply chain is kinda broken right now.
Idk MHA printing quotas (I assume 500k 1st printing?) but they must take a couple of days maybe weeks to get printed? And with how things are right now it's probably longer, it's not only dependant in the amount of chapters out.

 

[yadayada]

Naruto got LCP in its final issue too though since it had two chapters in the same issue you can make an argument that Naruto's last page wasn't a LCP haha., You are mistaking it with LCP+Cover which Slam Dunk is the only WSJ manga that has gotten it. But I was only asking for CP for KnY, not LCP. Kimetsu will not be getting a LCP because its last chapter is gonna get released during an issue with a new manga, and it would be unfair for the new manga not to open with LCP.

BTW this is the final issue for DB which also had LCP in its final issue.. But it's crazy how they didn't even promote WSJ's best seller was ending in that issue (Naruto's last issue had an advertisement for Naruto ending and it had Naruto's face on it).

And this is Ring Ni Kakero's last issue even though it's not stated in this website (It also had LCP) it has one of the coolest WSJ covers imo, a Kibasen (Cavalry battle) between the gag manga of the time: Kochikame, Dr.Slump, Kinnikuman and Sannen Kimengumi.

BUT I do think maybe if COVID hadn't changed the schedules maybe KnY would have ended with LCP in this issue (remember we basically lost a week of WSJ, so it would have ended one issue prior, in this issue which is the double issue) so COVID obviously changed schedules of CPs, but it's super weird because MangaPlus's mistake has One Piece as LCP during this week.. So maybe they had inside info that OP was gonna get the LCP for the double issue, but that would have meant that KnY wouldn't have had LCP, but a normal CP...
I'm just tired of theorizing lol, I guess what would have happened is that One Piece would have gotten LCP and then KnY would have gotten normal CP.. But we will never know.

If we are talking sales alone Kimetsu is as deserving of LCP as any of the manga that have gotten it, selling better than Naruto and Ring Ni Kakero and basically on the same level of DB and Slam Dunk... Also.. I have this theory that Yu Yu Hakusho would have gotten a LCP when it ended but Togashi just said nope haha or something

Again, this image was made after the breaks were already laid out in the schedule, it doesn't say "issue 22-23", meaning they already knew about all the changes when it was made. It's just a fuckup on m+'s side, it doesn't mean anything.

As for the "Kimetsu getting an LCP on final chapter" matter, it depends on whether you think it's only based on popularity or on contributions made to the magazine. While KnY is on the level of those series in terms of popularity right now, those are series that remained top sellers and pillars of the magazine for years and years, while Kimetsu only really ascended to that level of popularity towards the end of its run, so I don't really know if it's fair to say that it should've gotten it. The fact that it got one on this issue makes me think that they did intend to give it one if it wasn't for the new series starting, though.

 

[Rain Spectre]

I think someone posted some information about the newest One Piece Magazine that revealed that they take a loooong time printing the 3mill or so volumes for One Piece, so I assume things just got delayed because... Basically the supply chain is kinda broken right now.
Idk MHA printing quotas (I assume 500k 1st printing?) but they must take a couple of days maybe weeks to get printed? And with how things are right now it's probably longer, it's not only dependant in the amount of chapters out.

That...actually explains a lot of the delays.

The fact that it's the top-sellers which got delayed supports this.

 

[yadayada]

I think someone posted some information about the newest One Piece Magazine that revealed that they take a loooong time printing the 3mill or so volumes for One Piece, so I assume things just got delayed because... Basically the supply chain is kinda broken right now.
Idk MHA printing quotas (I assume 500k 1st printing?) but they must take a couple of days maybe weeks to get printed? And with how things are right now it's probably longer, it's not only dependant in the amount of chapters out.

MHA's highest first print is 660k I believe.

 

[perroloco]

Again, this image was made after the breaks were already laid out in the schedule, it doesn't say "issue 22-23", meaning they already knew about all the changes when it was made. It's just a fuckup on m+'s side, it doesn't mean anything.

As for the "Kimetsu getting an LCP on final chapter" matter, it depends on whether you think it's only based on popularity or on contributions made to the magazine. While KnY is on the level of those series in terms of popularity right now, those are series that remained top sellers and pillars of the magazine for years and years, while Kimetsu only really ascended to that level of popularity towards the end of its run, so I don't really know if it's fair to say that it should've gotten it. The fact that it got one on this issue makes me think that they did intend to give it one if it wasn't for the new series starting, though.

Ring ni Kakero lasted just a little bit more than KnY I think.. And it probably wasn't even such a big seller (Total sales as of 2005 were like 13million with 25 volumes, so around 500k per volume, but keep in mind these numbers are 30 years after the series ended, so I assume it sold around 300k back in its day, not bad numbers at all.. but not stealars by any means, not even in those years were there was Kinnikuman probably selling close to a million per volume and Arale easily breaking at least 2 millions per volume) But you can agree it pretty much established the cliches of Jump..

Slam Dunk ran for 6 years or so but overall I think it sold a little bit more than KnY and probably was a bit more popular.. But Idk..

I understand your point Kimetsu was a sprint compared to Dragon Ball's and Naruto's marathons, but I still think it's deserving of LCP.

 

[Ctkk]

I mean, if you look at it, there were new series starting before and after the double issue, so the double issue was the only one Kimetsu could have gotten an LCP, and it would have been the last chapter if not for Coronavirus.

 

[Rain Spectre]

I mean, if you look at it, there were new series starting before and after the double issue, so the double issue was the only one Kimetsu could have gotten an LCP, and it would have been the last chapter if not for Coronavirus.

Uh...guys. It wouldn't have been the final chapter.

Because, you know, the issue was delayed, not shifted around.

The only effect the delay will have is the same as the 3/11 delay, it's just one less issue by the end of the year.